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RE: Are there tests other than an endoscopy to determin... - 6/25/2013 3:20:35 AM

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Nope, it's happening even if I do not eat.irregardless of the food, even if it's not a typical heart burn inducing food, eat, don't eat, It is in the same place all the time though.

Others have suggested various options, some of them good suggestions.

I would add the suggestion that you try alginate. It's tabs you chew, or a suspension. OTC, generic stuff. Turns into a slimy layer on top of the stomach acid, as well as sometimes coating the lowest part of the esophagus. It tends to offer some relief from reflux, without disturbing the acid production. If it works for you, it may lessen the problem until you're able to deal with the rest of the causes.

Also, if it happens at night, raising the head end of the bed a bit will generally help a lot with the night time issues.

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RE: Are there tests other than an endoscopy to determin... - 6/25/2013 4:13:09 AM

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one thing you might do is avoid greasy foods like the plague.

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RE: Are there tests other than an endoscopy to determin... - 6/25/2013 4:33:18 AM

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I talked to my dr and she said there wasn't an she said heart burn is primarily cause of heart burn is diet and lack of exercise, and caused by over eating, and I told her, ok, yeah it could be, but I do not eat and I am still getting serious heart burn, and she kept insisting it was from over eating and I do not over eat much. I do someties sure, but a lot of times it's a small normal portion and I have heart burn minutes after.

Sounds to me like there might be a specific food that's causing the heartburn. What were you eating at the time? Was dairy included in it? Wheat?

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RE: Are there tests other than an endoscopy to determin... - 6/25/2013 5:13:52 AM

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Well, as I have said it comes even when I do not eat, but I could be eating a nice simple batch of simply cooked carrots, and a meat and a gravey maybe for example and bam heart burn, or one night I was eating a small cup and a half of my moms home made lima bean soup, and yes you guessed it heart burn. Or another time I ate some potato salad and a hot dog, and then one day I had not eaten but Daddy and I got into a fight an all of a sudden I juts got this huge wave of heart burn pain, an I was like dud, I totally think this stress is stiring up my indigestion, I get it from eating fruits and vegitables too,

where as things you think would induce heart burn bad enough to set the whole town on fire does not.

I can eat green olives with the red center an they're super tangy an bitter an i can eat 5 o those, no heart burn,

milk does not give me heart burn, I can have ice cream and milk shakes an stuff and I can usually eat a steak and guacamole burrito an not get heart burn, like that with no heart burn, but man oh man do I get an upset stomach and direah.

I can normally scarf an entire pizza, no heart burn.

greasy stuff, same thing, no heart burn, fattening stuff, no heart burn.

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I talked to my dr and she said there wasn't an she said heart burn is primarily cause of heart burn is diet and lack of exercise, and caused by over eating, and I told her, ok, yeah it could be, but I do not eat and I am still getting serious heart burn, and she kept insisting it was from over eating and I do not over eat much. I do someties sure, but a lot of times it's a small normal portion and I have heart burn minutes after.

Sounds to me like there might be a specific food that's causing the heartburn. What were you eating at the time? Was dairy included in it? Wheat?

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RE: Are there tests other than an endoscopy to determin... - 6/25/2013 6:11:49 AM

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You probably won't like this post, but heartburn is something I know about, I was born with a hernia that gives me acid reflux. This has gotten much worse as I've aged.

Heart burn is caused by improper diet, whether there is an actual physical problem, like a hernia, or not. You are still going to have to learn how to control your diet.

This means paying attention to and possibly eliminating caffeine, alcohol, chocolate, all greasy or fried foods, dairy, gluten, high acid foods such as tomatoes and pineapple, highly spiced foods, foods high in fat, foods low in fiber.

If you are eating the kind of diet that makes you morbidly obese, you are not getting enough fiber. This slows your bowel down, makes you constipated, which produces gas. Too much gas gives your heartburn.

I most strongly suggest taking the advice to begin a food diary. Eat 4-5 small meals a day, and make sure you are drinking enough water and getting enough fiber. Keep that food diary going for several weeks, long enough to determine which foods give you problems. From your posts your diet is horrendous. You've probably been eating like that your whole life, and you won't change overnight.

Do some research about a healthy high fiber diet, and slowly make changes. Bring your food diary into your dr's appt, and share your research as well as what you are doing to improve things.

We've talked before about your need to exercise. At some point you are going to have to realize your lifestyle is killing you. It's a slow death, but it's what YOU are doing to yourself.

Is that what you want? Spend some time trying to resolve this. Then you might be in a good enough place to make the small changes necessary to move in a positive and more healthy direction.

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RE: Are there tests other than an endoscopy to determin... - 6/25/2013 6:19:16 AM

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Even if such things do not appear to trigger heart burn? I can't stand spicey food, I am such a whimp that even table black pepper bothers my mouth, something I can not get my mother to understand, she is constantly dismayed when I say no mom, I can not eat......... it's spicy an she says no it's not I am eating it an I love it, there isn't a thing spicey about this, an then you look and it's very first ingredient is paprika or chilley powder or some other spicey shit she loves an I can't eat, she even tried to tell me lamb vindalu isn't spicey an it said spicey lamb vindalu on the tv dinner package. I admit I took great personal joy in having a private haha told you so moment when she admitted that oh dear god was it spicy.

I think perhaps sometimes it is. I realize very much this is a very slow suicide, to not fight for your own health, and I just can't get scared enough or what ever better word would be suited here to get my head out of my own ass an get out of my own way of health.

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This means paying attention to and possibly eliminating caffeine, alcohol, chocolate, all greasy or fried foods, dairy, gluten, high acid foods such as tomatoes and pineapple, highly spiced foods, foods high in fat, foods low in fiber.

If you are eating the kind of diet that makes you morbidly obese, you are not getting enough fiber. This slows your bowel down, makes you constipated, which produces gas. Too much gas gives your heartburn.

I most strongly suggest taking the advice to begin a food diary. Eat 4-5 small meals a day, and make sure you are drinking enough water and getting enough fiber. Keep that food diary going for several weeks, long enough to determine which foods give you problems. From your posts your diet is horrendous. You've probably been eating like that your whole life, and you won't change overnight.

Do some research about a healthy high fiber diet, and slowly make changes. Bring your food diary into your dr's appt, and share your research as well as what you are doing to improve things.

We've talked before about your need to exercise. At some point you are going to have to realize your lifestyle is killing you. It's a slow death, but it's what YOU are doing to yourself.

Is that what you want? Spend some time trying to resolve this. Then you might be in a good enough place to make the small changes necessary to move in a positive and more healthy direction.

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RE: Are there tests other than an endoscopy to determin... - 6/25/2013 6:36:28 AM

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LGH,

Chances are the reason why the Dr who does them will not do them without your following the instructions for 2 months is because your insurance will not pay for it otherwise and doctors like to be paid for the things they do.

Same thing with your stopped up nose.

So, take the pills (which should help a lot) and follow her diet/exercise recommendations.

Has she advised you on an exercise program since you have back issues and you state that is what is preventing you?

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RE: Are there tests other than an endoscopy to determin... - 6/25/2013 6:38:52 AM

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I have been on my pills for more than a year, it's true I have forgotten to take them or can't find them now for about 3 months so I do have to restart the cycle, and yes holy hell the heart burn comes back with a vengeance in one to two days when I forget,

She recommends swimming.

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LGH,

Chances are the reason why the Dr who does them will not do them without your following the instructions for 2 months is because your insurance will not pay for it otherwise and doctors like to be paid for the things they do.

Same thing with your stopped up nose.

So, take the pills (which should help a lot) and follow her diet/exercise recommendations.

Has she advised you on an exercise program since you have back issues and you state that is what is preventing you?

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RE: Are there tests other than an endoscopy to determin... - 6/25/2013 6:44:13 AM

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So, take the pills consistently and swim.

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RE: Are there tests other than an endoscopy to determin... - 6/25/2013 7:27:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: Aswad
I would add the suggestion that you try alginate.

If I am right, that would be bad for your health.

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Also, if it happens at night, raising the head end of the bed a bit will generally help a lot with the night time issues.

That is a good suggestion. Also not eating during the last four or six hours before you go to bed.

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RE: Are there tests other than an endoscopy to determin... - 6/25/2013 7:55:48 AM

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I think perhaps sometimes it is. I realize very much this is a very slow suicide, to not fight for your own health, and I just can't get scared enough or what ever better word would be suited here to get my head out of my own ass an get out of my own way of health.

Then that is what you need to work with your therapist on: caring enough about yourself so you do give a damn.

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RE: Are there tests other than an endoscopy to determin... - 6/25/2013 12:55:34 PM

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It isn't just how much you eat, but what it is. Citrus, spicy foods, greasy foods.

Plus the most obvious cause is your weight. It pushes in on your stomach.

Try a healthy diet in small portions. 1800 calories per day divided into four meals. Bananas, applesauce, rice (preferably brown), chicken.

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RE: Are there tests other than an endoscopy to determin... - 6/25/2013 2:21:05 PM

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I seem to remember more than one thread addressing the OP's diet - none of which seems to make a difference, so I have to ask "Why does the OP come here and talk about her diet - or lack there of?" It would seem to be a huge waste of time for those who reply to her.

Am I missing something?

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RE: Are there tests other than an endoscopy to determin... - 6/25/2013 2:27:10 PM

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She knows she needs help, and unfortunately no one in her life is capable of directing her. From what I can tell of her family, they enable. Her partner appears to be MIA most of the time.

This is someone who can't commit to walking for 5 minutes a day. 5 minutes !

It's very frustrating, but I keep hoping that something one of us says will be the impetus to get her moving in the right direction. Despite her behavioral disabilities, she's a bright person, and a nice, caring person. She deserves better.

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RE: Are there tests other than an endoscopy to determin... - 6/25/2013 4:43:51 PM

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Yes. That I do not believe my dr when she says there's nothing other than an endoscopy they can do to try an find out what's going on. So I am asking the forums,

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Am I missing something?

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RE: Are there tests other than an endoscopy to determin... - 6/25/2013 4:53:41 PM

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Lets see..................... you have an educated professional, who went to school for many years, who gave you information.

You choose not to believe it.

At this point, you have two options - you tell her that you think she is incompetent or lying to you, or you believe her and follow her advice - eat less, eat more vegetables and fruits, eat less fats.
If you really don't believe your doctor, you need to find one that you can trust. Its not hard.

and for the record - there aren't too many tests to diagnose the cause of heartburn.

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RE: Are there tests other than an endoscopy to determin... - 6/25/2013 5:07:31 PM

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I don't think anything is ever going to change LGH's thoughts and lifestyle until she's finally in intensive care and on a breathing and feeding tube which I don't think will be much longer if she continues down the road she's on.

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RE: Are there tests other than an endoscopy to determin... - 6/25/2013 5:26:33 PM

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I was DXed with a hiatal hernia years ago, causing me to have GERD. I avoid spicy foods, even to the point of bell peppers. My doctor used an x-ray to show me what it was.

These days, I am on a high protein, low carb diet. I love drinking Diet MD so that is once a week for the caffeine kick. I have a daily diet iced green tea (Splenda) and the rest of the time, I am drinking water. I did have an endo done to me when there was some bleeding happening...found out it was from the Doritos that I was eating, so I cut out ALL corn chips. I only snack on regular chips now if I want something salty.

I have gone from 325 to 268. No more sleep apnea so that means no more C-PAP machine. I avoid anything with HFCS in it. I am working on my sugars but Mom asked me to bake a cake this evening. Helped myself to a small piece because I love chocolate.

Go to town and walk around Walmart 2 or 3 times. I do that about 2 or 3 times and I got my exercise bike for rainy days when I can't walk outside.

Also...get some fiber pills...I take so many pills that affect my intestines that I have IBS if I eat the wrong thing. I miss marbled rib-eyes but I get these steaks on clearance if I get to the store when the prices are going down. Got a small freezer to hold the meat. I also get 93/7 hamburger meat.

At least you don't have to have a colonscopy...my uncle died of colon cancer so the family gets one every 5 years. Last time Mom had one, they lasered off some polyps. She is overdue for another one but she is not going to do it, she says...

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RE: Are there tests other than an endoscopy to determin... - 6/25/2013 6:06:38 PM

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they thought I had a hiatal hernia last year when my heartburn started and that was the reason I had the endoscopy done. They found a little roughness but they ruled out a hiatal hernia but said it was not completely conclusive. So to this day I really don't know for sure. They decided I had h. pylori instead, gave me tons of antibiotics on top of the dicyclomine and nexium which still has not cleared any of it up. I still have the symptoms but have just learned to live with it all by taking the nexium and dicyclomine and watching what I eat so that I can keep most of it at bay unless I pig out and then I pay for it for days on end and I hate myself for it because I feel like shit.

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RE: Are there tests other than an endoscopy to determin... - 6/25/2013 9:26:49 PM

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LGH, when I had symptoms similar to yours (mine also included frequent vomiting and severe anemia), an endo - and colonoscopy showed nothing so they sent down the camera pill. I had literally dozens bleeding ulcers in the small intestine (which endo and colo will not find). It had been caused by years of nsaid use (for back pain), which had to be stopped immediately and for all time.

Are you taking aspirin, ibuprofen, diclofenac or any other nsaids? Have you had blood work to determine if you are anemic or have any other deficiencies or overages?

As for proper nutrition and exercise...suffice to say without them, you're not going to solve one single thing so just load yourself up with this pill and that pill and carry on until you're a goner. Or shake your butt around every day enough to sweat and get out of breath for a good 45 minutes and make a conscious decision about what should (and shouldn't) go into your mouth every time you open it.

Best of luck, you CAN do it before it's too late to change your mind.

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