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DrMaster4U2 -> RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what they are? (10/18/2013 6:31:46 AM)

Metabolic pathways are the same?
They should be but they are not.
Every person has their own metabolic pathway as every biochemist knows. If you have a disease that alters the metabolic pathways such as diabetes, etc there is not a chance its the same. If you're loaded with heavy metals - that alters the metabolic pathways. If you have a genetic enzyme deficiency - that also alters metabolic pathways; if you eat nothing but junk food - that alters metabolic pathways. If you eat synthetic crap or synthetic vitamins - (those with a different spin) that also alters metabolic pathways.
Not all sugars, nor all calories are created equal. The calorie of an avocado is treated so much differently than the same calorie coming from sugar - but yes they all END UP in the same places. But the PATH they take and the HARM they do during their journey is not all the same.
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DrMaster4U2 -> RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what they are? (10/18/2013 7:29:47 AM)

Then my entire five generations of family must be bald...lol I'm 65 - never in my entire life had more than 8-10 grams of protein per day - if that much. Yet my hair is not grey and is over 23"' long....Such lies American Industry, doctors, dietitians and so called "nutritionists" spread.
Every generation in my family has not eaten flesh protein or dairy products - but only eat a small amount of beans daily. More than enough. My entire family has long hair, live to be in their 90's (grandfather lived to 103) and never got any chronic disease or condition. But AMERICA is by far the sickest country in the world. It spends more money on "health" care than all the European countries COMBINED. The emperor has no clothes. But what do you expect when the bottom line is always the bottom line?
DrMaster




angelikaJ -> RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what they are? (10/18/2013 7:39:01 AM)

I kind of thought the key to having long hair was not cutting it.

Male pattern baldness is genetic.
If it isn't a part of your genetic make up then there would be no reason why you would have it.




thursdays -> RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what they are? (10/18/2013 8:59:49 AM)

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DrMaster4U2 -> RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what they are? (10/18/2013 9:18:17 AM)

Yes there is a genetic pattern for some. But what caused the genetic pattern? Is that just something that comes along when you turn a wrong corner? Try going without sufficient zinc, iron, biotin, lysine, inositol and others like it. Your hair will fall out soon enough. And if you eat the same deficient foods your family or ancestors ate generation after generation - yeah - it'll take several generation for your "genetic baldness" to come back to normal. I've lived all over the world and I've never seen so much baldness as in the US. Animals don't have it. People in African tribes don't have it. Don't they have a "pattern baldness"?

http://www.springer.com/biomed/human+genetics/journal/12263

Peruse "Hair Loss" in Wilkipedia - a beginners read - where male pattern baldness is blamed on hormonal and other reasons that are under the influence of nutrition. Nutrition is now considered the major factor in genetic patterns.
We live in a "feel better fast" and "I can't wait until tomorrow" society. So it's easier to blame genetics - just like the medical profession blames bacteria and viruses, prions - and now genetics for all our problems. Keeps us from taking responsibility.
DrMaster




OsideGirl -> RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what they are? (10/18/2013 9:38:49 AM)

I'm curious: Is it your goal to come across as condescending and insulting to women? Or do you just not realize it?




angelikaJ -> RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what they are? (10/18/2013 9:39:13 AM)

Some animals do have it.
The Tsavo lions in Kenya for example and several types of primates.




crazyml -> RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what they are? (10/18/2013 10:01:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DrMaster4U2

Yes there is a genetic pattern for some. But what caused the genetic pattern?

Mostly it'll be inheritance, I'd bet
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Is that just something that comes along when you turn a wrong corner?


Unless that's where you were concieved, then probably not




slavekate80 -> RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what they are? (10/18/2013 8:39:20 PM)

To DrMaster4U2 - If you're getting enough calories, then it's unlikely for you to only be eating 8-10g of protein a day. That may be the total from high-protein foods like eggs, but vegetables, grains, and beans have enough that it's possible, if something of a challenge, to meet daily minimums without flesh foods and dairy. Put your entire daily diet together, using a site like Calorie Count or something - don't forget condiments and beverages - and I think you'd find that your daily total is much higher than 10g, much of it from nickel-and-dime sources like lettuce and peppers. Two ounces of whole wheat will get you 6g right there, a small side salad with no nuts and no dressing probably has 3 or so... it adds up.

8-10g on a consistent basis will prevent male-pattern baldness, all right - it'll kill you first. It's dangerous. Luckily, it's also very difficult to get protein intake that low if you're not starving yourself and aren't forced onto an extremely limited diet because nothing else is available.

Nutrition does affect the way genes are expressed. It doesn't affect genes themselves, unless you're talking about the possibility of increasing the rate of genetic mutation, and that's a different topic. So if you have the genes for a trait or disease, nutrition may affect your chances of that trait or disease developing in you, but the genetic blueprint is the same and will be passed on the same either way. From your profile, it appears that you were born in the late 1940s, and therefore your childhood nutrition and growth was mostly in the '50s and '60s. The typical Western diet has changed dramatically, and largely for the worse - beef cows are fed differently, sugar and corn syrup consumption is way up, refined starches have replaced whole grains and legumes, panic over saturated fats leading to higher consumption of margarine and other trans-fatty junk before we figured out recently that trans fats are awful for you, higher consumption of pre-packaged convenience foods, giant portion size of just about everything except vegetables. While I don't doubt these things existed in 1960, they didn't dominate the American diet in 1960 the way they did in, say, 1990. That's just the tip of the iceberg. Most of us who experienced our childhood and adolescent growth in the 1980s and 1990s had worse diets, possibly with long-term metabolic consequences. Type II diabetes in children and adolescents is on the rise, and it was once called adult-onset diabetes since it was so rare in the young. I was obese as a teenager and it took awhile to whittle myself down to a healthy weight, and well over a decade later I still have to limit carbohydrates to stay there.

Perhaps we're talking past each other on the metabolic pathway term, defining it differently. I'm referring to the way a particular person's body takes up and uses a particular compound. Yes, your diet will alter this over time, but it's a slow process. My body doesn't know where a molecule came from; it's going to process a sucrose molecule the same way regardless of the source. If I eat way too much junk food that will eventually damage my body's ability to process sugar in a healthy way - this might have already happened. But my body is not going to take up sugar from a tomato differently than sugar from a bite of candy, assuming it's the same type.




DrMaster4U2 -> RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what they are? (10/18/2013 8:47:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DrMaster4U2

Metabolic pathways are the same?
They should be but they are not.
Please refer to the "Technical Rebuttal to Report on the Safety of Sucrose" [Paper Binding] I have it. Back then (1980) it cost $2500 & my friend - now deceased - John Potter Dobbins was the author. He made only 100 copies. He was a Research Scientist, Biochemist, Nutritionist and a Gerontologist. He also wrote: "Evaluation of the Health Aspects of Sucrose as a Food Ingredient" as prepared by the Life Sciences Research Office - Fed. Amer. Coc. Exp. Biology, Bethasda, Maryland, 1976.
In it he proves that every person has their own metabolic pathway - as every biochemist knows. If you have a disease that alters the metabolic pathways such as diabetes, etc. there is not a chance its the same. If you're loaded with heavy metals - that alters the metabolic pathways. If you have a genetic enzyme deficiency - that also alters metabolic pathways; if you eat nothing but junk food - that alters metabolic pathways. If you eat synthetic crap or synthetic vitamins - (those with a different spin) that also alters metabolic pathways. Let's not even mention pharmaceuticals.
Not all sugars, nor all calories are created equal. The calorie of an avocado is treated so much differently than the same calorie coming from sugar - but yes they all END UP in the same places. But the PATH they take and the HARM they do during their journey is not all the same.
DrMaster & Staff @
SAFE HAVEN RETREAT





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