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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/7/2013 4:19:16 PM

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Are you serious BitYakin?? The evidence is a teenager is dead. A teenager who did not think his life would end at his fathers girlfriends apartment complex. If you listened to his 911 call, you know that he did not stop following. The entire exchange was not caught on the phone. The call ended before the encounter ended. WE do not know what else took place except a Teen died. It took 45 days for them to arrest Zimmerman. Even his interview at the station on the day this happened is faulty in MY opinion. You can be in his corner, I don't mind that, but understand that Zimmerman caused the dead of a teen simply because........

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/7/2013 4:23:22 PM

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Are you serious BitYakin?? The evidence is a teenager is dead. A teenager who did not think his life would end at his fathers girlfriends apartment complex. If you listened to his 911 call, you know that he did not stop following. The entire exchange was not caught on the phone. The call ended before the encounter ended. WE do not know what else took place except a Teen died. It took 45 days for them to arrest Zimmerman. Even his interview at the station on the day this happened is faulty in MY opinion. You can be in his corner, I don't mind that, but understand that Zimmerman caused the dead of a teen simply because........

The portion that was caught supports Zimmerman we cannot assume there was something that proves Zimmerman was guilty anymore than we can assume that Martin announced he was going to kill Zimmerman and hang his body on a lamppost.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/7/2013 4:25:11 PM

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If you listened to his 911 call, you know that he did not stop following.

Sorry but this is wrong. The encounter started at nearly exactly the same spot George agreed to not follow, after agreeing not to follow George spent the rest of the call not knowing where Trayvon was, and the lead investigator, Chris Serino was unable to offer any evidence that George continued to follow.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/7/2013 4:25:20 PM

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And still no one actually read what the Judge said

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/7/2013 4:30:27 PM

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O'Mara really wanted to argue that Martin's use of pot made him violent? The judge should have censured him for that bit of victim blaming.

smokin' pot makes you violent?

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/7/2013 4:31:55 PM

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I have every right to defend myself from harm. Self Defense

By attacking someone who has not harmed you? How many innocent people have you attacked today?

Are you saying that it is against the law to bitch slap someone who assaults you?

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/7/2013 4:36:09 PM

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Are you serious BitYakin?? The evidence is a teenager is dead. A teenager who did not think his life would end at his fathers girlfriends apartment complex. If you listened to his 911 call, you know that he did not stop following. The entire exchange was not caught on the phone. The call ended before the encounter ended. WE do not know what else took place except a Teen died. It took 45 days for them to arrest Zimmerman. Even his interview at the station on the day this happened is faulty in MY opinion. You can be in his corner, I don't mind that, but understand that Zimmerman caused the dead of a teen simply because........

and if that was the ONLY evidence you'd have a point!

I did listen to the 911 call and there is absolutley nothing in there at indiactes he did not stop following him...
he did not say, NO I am going to follow him anyhow, there are no sounds that indicate and/or prove he continued to follow...
maybe you could tell me/us the specific words and/or sounds you heard on the 911 call that conclusively proves Z continued to follow M??

cause I think if what you say is there, is in fact there, the prosecution MIGHT have pointed it out to the jury

maybe you can give me a link to where the prosecution said and this sound proves conclusively that Z did not stop following M as suggested to him to do

and yes the entire verbal exchange up to the point that physical contact was made was testified to by an eye, or rather ear witness!

and it clearly shows M made NO ATTEMPT to respond verbally to Z's question of what are you doing here?

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/7/2013 4:39:07 PM

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I have every right to defend myself from harm. Self Defense

By attacking someone who has not harmed you? How many innocent people have you attacked today?

Are you saying that it is against the law to bitch slap someone who assaults you?

no we are saying its against the law to bitch slap someone who has NOT attacked you

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/7/2013 4:44:25 PM

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And still no one actually read what the Judge said

yes I read the part where the judge said the txts cannot be submited as evidence (paraphrased)

and I agree, as stand alone evidence they should not be allowed...

but I am not sure when the judge said that, he also meant they couldn't be used as "SUPPORTING" evidence to eye witness testimony

maybe he meant they couldn't be used in any way shape or form, but I just am not sure thats what he meant

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/7/2013 4:45:58 PM

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Likewise, Trayvon discussing fights he has been in, suspensions for fighting, etc, is circumstantial evidence from which it can be inferred that Trayvon was a capable fighter. It doesn't have to be proven factually, it is left to the jury to decide how much weight to give it.

And the defense can call a school official to testify on that. That isn't hearsay. The texts remain hearsay and were rightfully not admitted.

I've already provided the source explaining why they aren't hearsay for this specific matter.

No. you put forward a claim. the judge ruled them hearsay and you claimed that is reversible error. I guarantee no appellate court is going to agree.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/7/2013 4:47:11 PM

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Likewise, Trayvon discussing fights he has been in, suspensions for fighting, etc, is circumstantial evidence from which it can be inferred that Trayvon was a capable fighter. It doesn't have to be proven factually, it is left to the jury to decide how much weight to give it.

And the defense can call a school official to testify on that. That isn't hearsay. The texts remain hearsay and were rightfully not admitted.

I would say the texts alone would be hearsay, but if a witness stpes forward to say yes it was avilent person the the texts become supporting evidence of that testimony,

witness: yes travon was a violent agressive person..
defense attorny: your honor at this time we would like to submit text messages where trayvon bragged about this to support the validity of the witness's testimony!
def atty to witness: sir, to your knowledge do any of these txts refer to the incidents you refer to?
witness: yes or no or unsure

if the witness can link a time and date to a txt and say yeahh I remember that, there ya go, no longer hearsay
no differant that showing a pic of someone beat up and asking, is this the guy he beat up?

now I am not saying the def can do all that, but thats how it COULD happen!

I already said they need an actual witness 4 or 5 times up thread.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/7/2013 4:50:05 PM

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If you listened to his 911 call, you know that he did not stop following.

Sorry but this is wrong. The encounter started at nearly exactly the same spot George agreed to not follow, after agreeing not to follow George spent the rest of the call not knowing where Trayvon was, and the lead investigator, Chris Serino was unable to offer any evidence that George continued to follow.

So Zimmerman is a liar.

He did tell the dispatcher he would go to the mailboxes and wait for the police there..

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/7/2013 4:51:03 PM

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Likewise, Trayvon discussing fights he has been in, suspensions for fighting, etc, is circumstantial evidence from which it can be inferred that Trayvon was a capable fighter. It doesn't have to be proven factually, it is left to the jury to decide how much weight to give it.

And the defense can call a school official to testify on that. That isn't hearsay. The texts remain hearsay and were rightfully not admitted.

I would say the texts alone would be hearsay, but if a witness stpes forward to say yes it was avilent person the the texts become supporting evidence of that testimony,

witness: yes travon was a violent agressive person..
defense attorny: your honor at this time we would like to submit text messages where trayvon bragged about this to support the validity of the witness's testimony!
def atty to witness: sir, to your knowledge do any of these txts refer to the incidents you refer to?
witness: yes or no or unsure

if the witness can link a time and date to a txt and say yeahh I remember that, there ya go, no longer hearsay
no differant that showing a pic of someone beat up and asking, is this the guy he beat up?

now I am not saying the def can do all that, but thats how it COULD happen!

I already said they need an actual witness 4 or 5 times up thread.

I never said you did or didn't say that, I was just offering my opinion on the matter

hint hint, I was kinda ON YOUR SIDE in this!

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/7/2013 4:51:05 PM

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Likewise, Trayvon discussing fights he has been in, suspensions for fighting, etc, is circumstantial evidence from which it can be inferred that Trayvon was a capable fighter. It doesn't have to be proven factually, it is left to the jury to decide how much weight to give it.

And the defense can call a school official to testify on that. That isn't hearsay. The texts remain hearsay and were rightfully not admitted.

I've already provided the source explaining why they aren't hearsay for this specific matter.

No. you put forward a claim. the judge ruled them hearsay and you claimed that is reversible error. I guarantee no appellate court is going to agree.

You're confusing different issues. I claimed the door was opened in regards to bringing evidence of fighting...that was a different thing than the texts, though the texts are included. Rachel on the stand opened the door to be asked about Trayvon's fighting, but the judge didn't allow the defense to ask her about it. That had nothing to do with the texts. That was the reversible error.

In regards to the texts, what the judge actually said was that they would have to be authenticated first before further argument about their admissibility would be addressed. I gave a source already that discusses that, with relevant case law. The texts have not yet been ruled inadmissible. We'll see more on that this week.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/7/2013 4:52:31 PM

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Mark O’Mara, Mr. Zimmerman’s lawyer, argued that Mr. Martin’s drug use could have made him aggressive and paranoid, which the defense said might have prompted him to attack Mr. Zimmerman, 29, a neighborhood watch volunteer.

“All of that fits in squarely to what the defense is going to present: that George Zimmerman was put in the position that he had to act in self-defense,” Mr. O’Mara said. “How could you keep us from arguing that?”

Judge Nelson replied, “The rules of evidence keep you from doing it.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/29/us/judge-in-trayvon-martin-case-puts-limits-on-defense.html?smid=pl-share&_r=1&

Updated 2010.... Current as of May 2013... Florida Rules of Evidence

http://law.onecle.com/florida/evidence/90.803.html

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/7/2013 4:55:55 PM

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. He's also on video referring one of the fights, and in texts talks about the rounds he lost.

My point exactly.

To be admissible in court, evidence of violence has to be verified, not this made up shit so many are posting.

Admissions of fighting, is evidence of fighting.

Trust me on this one. Your admissions of omniscience is NOT evidence of the same.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/7/2013 4:56:26 PM

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If you listened to his 911 call, you know that he did not stop following.

Sorry but this is wrong. The encounter started at nearly exactly the same spot George agreed to not follow, after agreeing not to follow George spent the rest of the call not knowing where Trayvon was, and the lead investigator, Chris Serino was unable to offer any evidence that George continued to follow.

So Zimmerman is a liar.

He did tell the dispatcher he would go to the mailboxes and wait for the police there..

and again there is nothing to prove he wasn't heading that way or preparing to head that way...

even if all he did was stand completely still, it would mean he was not following

is there something that pinpoints exactly where Z was at the moment the 911 OP said he didn't need to follow? if I rememebr right, it seemed to me, Z had indicated he was a confused about his exact location at that moment

and I'll admit, I do not know, I am asking!

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/7/2013 4:56:35 PM

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. He's also on video referring one of the fights, and in texts talks about the rounds he lost.

My point exactly.

To be admissible in court, evidence of violence has to be verified, not this made up shit so many are posting.

Admissions of fighting, is evidence of fighting.

Trust me on this one. Your admissions of omniscience is NOT evidence of the same.

Straw man, ad hominem.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/7/2013 4:59:17 PM

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If you listened to his 911 call, you know that he did not stop following.

Sorry but this is wrong. The encounter started at nearly exactly the same spot George agreed to not follow, after agreeing not to follow George spent the rest of the call not knowing where Trayvon was, and the lead investigator, Chris Serino was unable to offer any evidence that George continued to follow.

So Zimmerman is a liar.

He did tell the dispatcher he would go to the mailboxes and wait for the police there..

Actually, the dispatcher suggested it, then George responded with a different suggestion that Noffke agreed to.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/7/2013 4:59:49 PM

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O'Mara really wanted to argue that Martin's use of pot made him violent? The judge should have censured him for that bit of victim blaming.

smokin' pot makes you violent?

Like meth makes you sleep.

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