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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/14/2013 10:21:56 AM

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Christians have whipped out entire civilizations, enslaved entire continents, and in genersl have committed more evil than all other religions combined.

OPPPPSSSS I never said they didn't now did I, what I did ask was to be shown the passages in the bible that justify killling anyone who is NOT CHRISTIAN simply because they are not christian.

and BTW, at the time you speak of every group killed every other group, the only reason you can make that statment is because at the time that was the largest religious group...

one could make the same statment and substitue the word white for christian and it would be equally true. one could also substitute the word european for christian and have equal truth to it

its a lame argument, that says since killing was the reality of the time, and since the majority of people at that time here christian means christianity is BAD

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/14/2013 10:27:04 AM

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Christians have whipped out entire civilizations, enslaved entire continents, and in genersl have committed more evil than all other religions combined.

Europeans tend to be masters in warfare, because we had a lot of practice for thousands of years. We kinda had to defend ourselves. Mongols wanted to rule the world, Huns wanted to rule the world, romans, greeks, persians arabs etc. etc.

Basically you are blaming us for being more succesfull.

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/14/2013 10:29:44 AM

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Christians have whipped out entire civilizations, enslaved entire continents, and in genersl have committed more evil than all other religions combined.

Europeans tend to be masters in warfare, because we had a lot of practice for thousands of years. We kinda had to defend ourselves. Mongols wanted to rule the world, Huns wanted to rule the world, romans, greeks, persians arabs etc. etc.

Basically you are blaming us for being more succesfull.

not trying to tak his side buttt ummm no fair adding romans and greeks in that list as they too are europeans!

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/14/2013 10:35:30 AM

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Ask Mary Dyer about those passages. Oh, wait... you can't.

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OPPPPSSSS I never said they didn't now did I, what I did ask was to be shown the passages in the bible that justify killling anyone who is NOT CHRISTIAN simply because they are not christian.

and BTW, at the time you speak of every group killed every other group, the only reason you can make that statment is because at the time that was the largest religious group...

one could make the same statment and substitue the word white for christian and it would be equally true. one could also substitute the word european for christian and have equal truth to it

its a lame argument, that says since killing was the reality of the time, and since the majority of people at that time here christian means christianity is BAD

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/14/2013 10:42:56 AM

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Muslims civilized Europe during the crusades and were tolerant of both jews and,christians,until quite recently and have never committed the level of attrocities the west has.

The blame for modern radicalized muslims can be laid at the foot of the cia during Rayguns,era.

I can't help it the roman catholic church was an evil bitch too, who prohibited development of knowledge. But, yes we took knowledge back from the crusades.
Again you leave out 90% of that knowledge was copied from the greek greats.

Andalusia was tolerant some time. But christians or jews were never equal in rights unless they converted. It stopped very quick when Spain was taken over by radical muslims. So it was not all peachy cream in Spain. They got their asses kicked by Charles Martel when they thought they could run over France too.
Holland has been tolerant for ages longer then any muslim country. But you can only push so many dutch buttons before we say enough is enough.
We do not tolerate intolerance period.

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/14/2013 10:54:23 AM

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Ask Mary Dyer about those passages. Oh, wait... you can't.

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OPPPPSSSS I never said they didn't now did I, what I did ask was to be shown the passages in the bible that justify killling anyone who is NOT CHRISTIAN simply because they are not christian.

and BTW, at the time you speak of every group killed every other group, the only reason you can make that statment is because at the time that was the largest religious group...

one could make the same statment and substitue the word white for christian and it would be equally true. one could also substitute the word european for christian and have equal truth to it

its a lame argument, that says since killing was the reality of the time, and since the majority of people at that time here christian means christianity is BAD

not such a great example....

Mary Barrett Dyer (c. 1611[1] — June 1, 1660) was an English Puritan turned Quaker who was hanged in Boston, Massachusetts Bay Colony (now in present-day Massachusetts), for repeatedly defying a Puritan law banning Quakers from the colony.[2] She is one of the four executed Quakers known as the Boston martyrs.

as I asked previously, please show me the section of the bible...

she was executed for s SPECIFIC act that was against PURITAN LAW, not biblical law!

maybe there is a section of the bible that shows justification for her execution, if so please please point it out to me!

and even in her case, the term repeatedly shows she might not have been hanged if she had just LEFT and not forced them to enforce thier law.

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/14/2013 11:38:19 AM

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Try to keep up. Mary Dyer was a Christian woman who was hanged by the Puritans because they claimed Scripture told them to kill non-believers... even other Christians, like Quakers.

Obviously, they didn't have any trouble finding whatever passage it is that you aren't seeing.

It seems equally likely that the Inquisition had no trouble citing the Bible to support their methods.

So any blanket claim that Christianity doesn't kill infidels, fails the fact test.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Ask Mary Dyer about those passages. Oh, wait... you can't.

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

OPPPPSSSS I never said they didn't now did I, what I did ask was to be shown the passages in the bible that justify killling anyone who is NOT CHRISTIAN simply because they are not christian.

and BTW, at the time you speak of every group killed every other group, the only reason you can make that statment is because at the time that was the largest religious group...

one could make the same statment and substitue the word white for christian and it would be equally true. one could also substitute the word european for christian and have equal truth to it

its a lame argument, that says since killing was the reality of the time, and since the majority of people at that time here christian means christianity is BAD

not such a great example....

Mary Barrett Dyer (c. 1611[1] — June 1, 1660) was an English Puritan turned Quaker who was hanged in Boston, Massachusetts Bay Colony (now in present-day Massachusetts), for repeatedly defying a Puritan law banning Quakers from the colony.[2] She is one of the four executed Quakers known as the Boston martyrs.

as I asked previously, please show me the section of the bible...

she was executed for s SPECIFIC act that was against PURITAN LAW, not biblical law!

maybe there is a section of the bible that shows justification for her execution, if so please please point it out to me!

and even in her case, the term repeatedly shows she might not have been hanged if she had just LEFT and not forced them to enforce thier law.

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/14/2013 12:09:41 PM

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Is this an anti-organised-religion thread in disguise? Because if so: thank you, your job is done.

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/14/2013 12:11:26 PM

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FR

Is this an anti-organised-religion thread in disguise? Because if so: thank you, your job is done.

They ALWAYS turn into some form of anti-organized religion thread.
Normally, they turn into anti-Christianity threads.

Any time you see a thread on religion, on these boards,that is your first clue.

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/14/2013 12:17:22 PM

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as always when I ask for someone to show me were it says this IN the bible, they point to the actions of MEN, and say well they thought so, so it must be so, but they never show me the parts of the bible used to justify it....

I never made a blanket statment saying christianity didn't kill people, I asked someone to please show me the section and/or sections of the bible that condones and/or mandates it...

when people ask for the same things of the koran, within seconds people will show passages of the koran that does it, but all I ever get from anti christina people is, well the did it so it MUST be in there someplace!

BTW nothing I read said the scriptures told them to do it, what I read was they did it because she repeatedly violated a PURITAN LAW banning ousiders from the colony

note the differance between a PURITAN LAW and A BIBLICAL LAW!

example where in the bible does it say do not eat meat on friday, haa NO PLACE cause its not a BIBLICAL LAW its a catholic law!

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/14/2013 12:17:45 PM

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Feel free to explain how Quakers aren't an organized religion, or how they deserve to die. Your comment makes no sense whatsoever.

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FR

Is this an anti-organised-religion thread in disguise? Because if so: thank you, your job is done.

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/14/2013 12:19:02 PM

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FR

Is this an anti-organised-religion thread in disguise? Because if so: thank you, your job is done.

They ALWAYS turn into some form of anti-organized religion thread.
Normally, they turn into anti-Christianity threads.

Any time you see a thread on religion, on these boards,that is your first clue.

Yes they do and then they start digging into the history book and try to claim something that happened two or three hundred years ago has any bearing on events of today.

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/14/2013 12:20:15 PM

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Oh I wouldn't worry on my account at least. It'd be no surprise to me if the Qu'ran were to contain as much loathsome, savage filth as the Bible. I'm still ruminating over what exactly was meant, in the Qu'ran (allegedly), by "Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies." (22:19). How utterly delightful.

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/14/2013 12:21:39 PM

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Oh I wouldn't worry on my account at least. It'd be no surprise to me if the Qu'ran were to contain as much loathsome, savage filth as the Bible. I'm still ruminating over what exactly was meant, in the Qu'ran (allegedly), by "Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies." (22:19). How utterly delightful.

I don't think we want to know!

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/14/2013 12:27:23 PM

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How do you get from my saying that Quakers shouldn't be killed to 'anti-Christian'? Seriously?

The actions of men are driven by their own desires, they merely quote scripture to rationalize.

It doesn't matter if they quote 'Kill the infidel', or 'Thou shalt have no other gods before me', the victims are just as dead.

What sort of weird semantic quibble are you setting up? That Mary Dyer deserved to die because the Puritans passed a law making it a crime to be an infidel? That the Jews deserved the Inquisition?

Or is this like the 'Show me where the words 'freedom of religion' are in the Constitution' sophistry?

What exactly is your point?

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as always when I ask for someone to show me were it says this IN the bible, they point to the actions of MEN, and say well they thought so, so it must be so, but they never show me the parts of the bible used to justify it....

I nevre made a blamket statment saying christianity didn't kill people, I asked someone to please show me the sections and/or sections that condones and/or mandates it...

when people ask for the same things of the koran, within seconds people will show passages of the koran that does it, but all i ever get from anti vhristina people is, well the did it so it MUST be in there someplace!

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/14/2013 1:13:28 PM

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What sort of weird semantic quibble are you setting up?

What exactly is your point?

What he's trying to say is.....

In the Quran, it specifically states, in many places, that non-believers of Islam should be eradicated.
Not as a punishment for this that or whatever crime.... just for not being a believer.

Whilst many other religious texts have also similar punishments for various infractions, he is asking for someone, anyone, to point out where in the bible it says the self same thing; ie: to eradicate all non believers just for not believing as it does in the Quran.

I thought it was a simple enough question.

Any answers?? Anybody?

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/14/2013 1:14:28 PM

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I just tend to add a bit of balance when "muslims are terrible" crowd handwrings over muslims amatuer attempts at evil. It requires a complete historical blindness. When,was the last time one of us invaded the other? When,was the last time one of us blew up the other? Overthrew a government? Killed women and children?

If we sat on our hands for the next hundred years the muslims would be hard pressed to even the score.

They don't "hate our freedoms" they hate we keep undermining theirs.

If they wanted to destroy the west those airplanes would have crashed into the docks in,Iran and Saudi Arabia which would have brought the West to he knees.

I am no fan,of muslims, my,mom has a mosque accross the street from,her house and it piisses me off every time i see some dumb broad in,a burka...but lets at least be honest, they are not a serious threat to the west and their actiins are clearly in response to stupid shit we have done.

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/14/2013 1:31:44 PM

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They don't "hate our freedoms" they hate we keep undermining theirs.

And which of their freedoms would this be Michael??

The fact that the men rule their world.
Women are treated like the scum of the earth and have no freedom whatsoever.
They are treated worse than dogs and goats.
The majority of muslim men treat their women partner(s) as nothing more than chattel.
We even see that behaviour when they migrate to a western country.
Very very few adapt to the western way of living and allow their wives to be a lot freer than they would be in their native land.
And many still want to live by Sharia laws which are often in direct contravention to western laws and the western culture.

Would you care to enlighten us??

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/14/2013 1:53:22 PM

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Can you name a muslim country we havent overthrown a gov or two?

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/14/2013 2:12:56 PM

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See, even looking it up on google is hard, imagine living there...

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