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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/14/2013 9:38:24 PM

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Global dominion? I want global dominion and have almost as good a chance as "muslims". Sorry but anyone who lumps Muslims into one pot needs to put the pot down...

Christians own and run the world and the only serious competitor is the chinese.

and those who lump all christians in one pot? What would you have us do with them?

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/14/2013 9:46:22 PM

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That's old testiment. You do know the difference, right?

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/14/2013 9:54:44 PM

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Yes... if you hit someone with the front cover side of the Bible you are smiting them with God's wrath, if you hit them with the back cover side, you are healing them with Jesus' sweeeet love.

Feels exactly the same.

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That's old testiment. You do know the difference, right?

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/14/2013 10:07:33 PM

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Yes... if you hit someone with the front cover side of the Bible you are smiting them with God's wrath, if you hit them with the back cover side, you are healing them with Jesus' sweeeet love.

Feels exactly the same.

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That's old testiment. You do know the difference, right?

Why would you hit someone with it? Do you feel a need for violence?

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/15/2013 12:59:22 AM

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I see that you are unfamiliar with the intended use of the Great Speckled Bird. It isn't meant to transmit useful knowledge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMfCrfPf5FA.

The Quran:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYchB7Kxuvs

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/15/2013 3:28:29 AM

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this thread started as why do arabs hate us, which then evolved to why do islamist hate us then to how the koran and bible compare to each other...
quotations from the koran were listed, and someone said well the bible is full of the same thing. so I asked if someone could show us this "same thing" that many claim are also in the bible....

There are several sites that list and detail the many crimes ordered by God in the Christian bible. http://www.evilbible.com/ is one. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ is another.

Here's a taste of what is to be found at the evilbible website:
" It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said “Thou shall not kill”. For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another1,862,265 people murdered.

The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9)." http://www.evilbible.com (my emphasis)

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/15/2013 3:48:20 AM

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At least the jews kept records of how and how many people they killed.
The christians were honest about bathing Jerusalem in blood.
Do you have any muslim records to show how they plundered, murdered, raped and killed?

Again I see a big difference.
The truth is in the details. Like you say yourself. Scientists don't know 'better' they just know a lot more details...

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/15/2013 4:09:35 AM

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Do you have any muslim records to show how they plundered, murdered, raped and killed?
Again I see a big difference.

Good point. If somebody killed my wife and family, I'd be fine with it if he gave me a receipt for it.

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/15/2013 4:30:20 AM

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Some people just can't stand the details, I respect the fact they have a hard time dealing with reality.

I editted it a bit, maybe it helps with the way people compute sentences.

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/15/2013 4:47:25 AM

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" It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said “Thou shall not kill”.

He was being ironic about his amazement, no doubt. The message of that, and numerous other examples, is 'Here are the morals you must live by. But never expect the same from us powerful folk, because the bottom line is might makes right'.

Most people learn that most essential of moral lessons very early on, of course. "The Lord of my village does what the Lord my God does. They're both called 'Lord', so it makes sense.".

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/15/2013 6:28:25 AM

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Some people just can't stand the details, I respect the fact they have a hard time dealing with reality.

I editted it a bit, maybe it helps with the way people compute sentences.

Or they relish and delight in them. The savagery of christians is unequaled. Ask the aztecs, the african slaves, the jews, the gypsies, do i really need to go on?

Christians have stood in the way of social progress in this country and still do. We just got gay marriage approved but the fucking crazies are still attacking abortion.

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/15/2013 6:46:09 AM

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Some people just can't stand the details, I respect the fact they have a hard time dealing with reality.

I editted it a bit, maybe it helps with the way people compute sentences.

Or they relish and delight in them. The savagery of christians is unequaled. Ask the aztecs, the african slaves, the jews, the gypsies, do i really need to go on?

Christians have stood in the way of social progress in this country and still do. We just got gay marriage approved but the fucking crazies are still attacking abortion.

The savagery of all humans in unequaled. Did you sleep through history class? And yes some christians are trying to stop gay marriage. Hopefully they will fail. Now some people will take that as a cue to hate all christians but those folks are called bigots. And a bigot really is not worth listening to. As to the crazies still attacking abortion, what the fuck did you expect. They think they are saving innocent lives. Did you really think they would just give up? Would you?

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/15/2013 6:58:25 AM

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But those same morons hate wellfare and love the death penalty.

And i lump all christians together when bigots lump all muslims together...

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/15/2013 7:17:08 AM

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Massive amounts of fallacy there. If some people take exception to the millions of dead *in the name of Christ*, they are the bigots? Because there might happen to be a tiny handful of peaceful Christians out there who haven't yet been murdered by the other Christians?

No, wear the label, accept the whole reputation, just as Muslims and Buddhists et al. should.

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Some people just can't stand the details, I respect the fact they have a hard time dealing with reality.

I editted it a bit, maybe it helps with the way people compute sentences.

Or they relish and delight in them. The savagery of christians is unequaled. Ask the aztecs, the african slaves, the jews, the gypsies, do i really need to go on?

Christians have stood in the way of social progress in this country and still do. We just got gay marriage approved but the fucking crazies are still attacking abortion.

The savagery of all humans in unequaled. Did you sleep through history class? And yes some christians are trying to stop gay marriage. Hopefully they will fail. Now some people will take that as a cue to hate all christians but those folks are called bigots. And a bigot really is not worth listening to. As to the crazies still attacking abortion, what the fuck did you expect. They think they are saving innocent lives. Did you really think they would just give up? Would you?

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/15/2013 7:24:13 AM

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In attempting to answer the question 'Why Arabs don't like the USA?', there are main two options being advanced here. The first locates the source of Arab distaste in religious fundamentalism (Muslim fundamentalism of course, never Christian fundamentalism, because as we all know, the West is the only injured party in all of this, and anyway we in the West are soooooo law abiding and reasonable, aren't we?), the second locates the answer in the political and economic arenas.

Currently there are Western armies engaged in war in at least two Arab/Muslim countries - Iraq and Afghanistan - following hostile invasions by those Western armies. Most estimates put the numbers of fatalities in the hundreds of thousands. Western 'special forces' and military advisers are active in numerous other Arab/Muslim countries.

There is the belligerent colonial enterprise aka Israel conducting its murderous occupation, oppression and dispossession of Palestine, which features among many other crimes against humanity, ethnic cleansing and apartheid to keep the 'natives' in their place. Israel is armed financed and given diplomatic immunity for its many crimes by the West in particular the USA. Israel is widely regarded in the Arab world as the USA's proxy army in the region. Anti-Israeli sentiment (which is virtually unanimous in the Arab world) thus translates seamlessly into anti-USA sentiment.

There are no Muslim State armies at war, invading or occupying Western countries.

Western capital and dependence on oil requires Western support for local lackeys in various oil rich Arab countries such as Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf States. The West is about to start supplying arms to the Syrian rebels it has cultivated in an effort to unseat Assad. The West egged on by Israel is engaged in dangerous, aggressive brinkmanship with Iran over Iran's alleged nuclear weapons program, while the West ignores the only nuclear armed State in the region - Israel. Incredibly, all Western security agencies (including Israel's Mossad) are unanimous in concluding that Iran has made no decision to build nuclear weapons. The West has a long history of destabilising and removing Arab Govts perceived to be 'unfriendly' to Western interests.

I know of no instance where Arab/Muslim forces destabilise or remove Western Govts perceived to be unfriendly to Arab/Muslim interests.

In the light of the above it is a surprise that some people struggle to answer the question 'Why do Arabs dislike the US?' To me it seems incredible that the answer isn't self-evident. It seems even more incredible that some people ignore all of the above and seek to locate the answer in fundamentalist religious ideologies that are rejected by the overwhelming majority of Arabs. It's no coincidence that many of those posters seeking to blame religious fundamentalism are apologists for apartheid Israel, the main geopolitical beneficiary of ongoing Western-Arab conflict and discord.

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/15/2013 8:16:02 AM

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Yeah but other than than that, what reason have they got?

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/15/2013 8:22:24 AM

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Most modern US wars and interventions, rare exception.being korea and grenada, involved oil including it turns out...afghanistan. Somalia, vietnam.

Bangladesh had east timor ripped off then Australia promptly signed a contract for natural gas...

So, a few hundred thousand dead muslims, most governments overthrown, support for brutal dictators vs 9/11, the Cole and a few others. Uh, they havent even beat france yet, pretty sure we are safer than your average muslim.

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/15/2013 8:54:34 AM

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Yeah but other than than that, what reason have they got?

Ungrateful lot aren't they? Especially when one considers the lengths we go to 'civilise' them.

It is clear that they don't comprehend that we in the West are an altruistic bunch with their best interests at heart. The white man's burden never ends .........

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/15/2013 9:23:02 AM

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Don't you own a car and burn their oil tweak and simply michael?
The reason why I ask this is because I never owned one and rather don't cop out into masstraffic.

That arabs dislike the US is obvious. It is also obvious people are very selective about history.
And lots of irony when I ask about muslim records of their atrocities.
I guess you think they are holy and the christians started everything bad.

Listen if you are all so fucked up about the west, then move or start protest marches or go into politics yourself.

I wonder what you really do besides complain about it.
To me it sounds like a lot of frustration.
The same I get here on the streets from misguided muslim thugs beating up gay people, constantly harrasing girls etc.

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RE: Why Arabs Don't Like the U.S. - 7/15/2013 9:53:02 AM

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I know of no instance where Arab/Muslim forces destabilise or remove Western Govts perceived to be unfriendly to Arab/Muslim interests.

Thats because you have complete ideological blinders on and don't want to know. For example, Iran's special forces assassinated most of Iraq's military commanders in reparation for the Iraq/Iran war - but also because they wanted to remove a cadre of knowledgeable, capable officers.

The Muslim Brother / Alqaida attacked and took over much of Yemen and removed saldana (?) from power specifically because he was pro west.
Similarly in Somalia. Kenya - which for years has been stable, progressive country, has had had constant raids in the last two years. The arab muslims north sudan are slaughtering the christian and animists in south sudan.

In pakistan militant islam came within a hair's breath of overthrowing the democraticly elected pro western government.
Algeria. Tunisia. Libya. Mali.

Hezbollah and Syria removed the democratically elected government of Lebanon, first with military intervention, then by assassinating Hariri, then by assassinating the 1 vote margin and preventing governance.

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The real lesson of the arab israeli wars were that the trappings of statism were not going to result in an arab victory and so they have turned to assymetric warfare - terrorism. So for example, iran was paying the families of suicide bombers $25000 to blow themselves up against Israel.

The fact that arab nations don't use armies against western nations is because -twice- that has proved to be a spectacular failure. So the methods of destabilization and enmity change.

KQ Khan was the father of Pakistan's nuclear industry. He gave nuclear technology to North Korea, Libya,

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