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Morris does not say that the Dutch evolved differently than the Asians or the Arabs *morally*, and that's the discussion here... killing, not basketball.

No one said Barber was earth shatteringly novel, anyone who had read McCluhan would know better than that.
I said it laid out some principles relevant to the discussion.

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That's the reality, and trying to pretend that one group has a monopoly is irrational.


But Morris does talk about mental evolution, tribal - it is sociology not physiology. The question remains which you have not answered, why do you think religious structures are the same, especially absent any evidence.

You are the one that are saying all religions are the same. Prove it, rather than assert it.

Which I have not done. However, it is equally irrational to think that all groups are the same. Thats like saying you can impose democracy in Iraq. Or that asians are as tall as the dutch.

It simply isn't *true*.

Why on earth do you think that evolution would favor the same strategies in the resource poor nordic areas as it would in areas where food was more abundant but competition for that food harder? Desmond Morris, Naked Ape says it isn't so.

In the same why, why do you think political structures or religious structures would be the same in the complete absence of any evidence. Thats like saying you can discern no difference between religions in california as the south. Utah vs Alaska.

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I'll take that blank response as a concession.

Like I said, this isn't a debate to win by scoring the most points. I also never said anything about all religions having the same structure, that's yet another strawman fabrication on your part.

I said that people in every group kill. Period. You keep denying that, with nothing to back the counter-assertion up.

I've given citations so that people can go read the history of the region, if they want. You seem to be arguing against them as well. That documented history of Western meddling in the area isn't well supported.

Again, nothing to back up your counter assertion that either Barber, or Wawrow said anything untrue. Have you even read Quiksand?

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but when we're talking about the schism between Muslims and Christians,

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We don't give a fuck about any of them.They only reason we give a damn at all is because they have oil,

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Boko Haram.

They detest our values, our actions, our very essence.
Their hatred is deep, vicious, and religiously based.
Until we accept that the source of their hatred is the God-damned Koran we will never even admit the problem.

They hate us for what we do, for who we are, and for breathing; but they hate us even more for what we are not. We are not Muslim.

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I have no idea why the post didn't go. Spent quite a lot of time on it. Its certainly not a concession. However it is my perception that you have no interest in a back and forth discussion. Rather you ignore anything inconvenient and make assertions such as strawman without referencing what you are talking about and w/o any evidence to support your accusation. I am essentially acknowledging that I cannot have a productive interesting debate *with you*.

As Putin said - its like shearing a pig. A lot of squealing and precious little wool. Or as mama used to say in tenessee. Never argue with a pig. You'll both get dirty, but the pig enjoys it.

A quick comment - I never said people in every group didn't kill. I have asserted that at EVERY point. I have asserted however that the question in this debate is not what people do - its whether the religion christ advances the same values as the religion that muslims advance.

Its not a strawman - its the freaking topic.

They are not. You maintain they are. I have provided quotes to prove my point. You have done nothing except to say that since all people kill all religions are the same. Again. and again. and again.

Oh. Not quite true. You did provide a reference that suggested that jihad is a viable response to cultural imperialism.
I never said Barber wasn't true. I said he was simplistic. However, Barber isn't to point.

Do you think the values espoused in the Muslim religion are consonant with western civilization. Yes or No?

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I'll take that blank response as a concession.

Like I said, this isn't a debate to win by scoring the most points. I also never said anything about all religions having the same structure, that's yet another strawman fabrication on your part.

I said that people in every group kill. Period. You keep denying that, with nothing to back the counter-assertion up.

I've given citations so that people can go read the history of the region, if they want. You seem to be arguing against them as well. That documented history of Western meddling in the area isn't well supported.

Again, nothing to back up your counter assertion that either Barber, or Wawrow said anything untrue. Have you even read Quiksand?

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Do you think the values espoused in the Muslim religion are consonant with western civilization. Yes or No?

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Do you think the values espoused in the Muslim religion are consonant with western civilization. Yes or No?

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Do you think the values espoused in the Muslim religion are consonant with western civilization. Yes or No?

Do you think the values espoused in the christian religion are consonant with western civilization? Oh, For Fucks Sake, show your work.........this is gonna be a fuckin hoot.

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Do you think the values espoused in the Muslim religion are consonant with western civilization. Yes or No?

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4. I would say culturally that muslims have great resistance to dress, dance, music, gay rights etc.

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4. I would say culturally that muslims have great resistance to dress, dance, music, gay rights etc.

Gay rights, overall yes. I have no idea where you get those others. Do you think all Muslims, or even all Arabian Muslims simply sit around in tents in the desert doing nothing?

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You do know the rapist father-in-law was jailed for ten years, right ?

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And that dipshit Baptist church protests soldiers funerals because we allow gay marriage.

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You do know the rapist father-in-law was jailed for ten years, right ?

Sure. After secular Indian authorities intervened.