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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 2/9/2014 11:59:29 AM   
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pity party by the zimmy lovers ...


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The George-fans


No one defending Goerge is in a fan club, that's just gun hater spin. Those of us defending George realize he's a dumbass. We simply object to people (well known race baiters, major media outlets, some on this forum and others) making shit up to fit their neat little concocted scenarios, trying to make the incident about race, and trying to smear stand your ground laws when it's not a SYG case. Not only that but we object to railroading people in kangaroo court and the court of public opinion.

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I think most of the people who make up George's fan club are merely keyboard tough guys who only have the balls to spew their hatred from the safety of their mothers basement


Meaningless bullshit. One could just as easily posted:

I think most of the people who make up Trayvon's fan club are merely keyboard tough guys who only have the balls to spew their hatred from the safety of their mothers basement.



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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 2/9/2014 12:26:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		To me it has nothing to do with race. The POS should have never been allowed to have weapons in the first place.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 2/9/2014 12:35:52 PM   
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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 2/9/2014 1:24:08 PM   
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please show me muffin where I have ONCE made it about race.. george did that


I didn't say you made it about race, you used the term Zimmy lovers for those defending him. I'm certainly not a Zimmy lover (It's not my kink ). I was simply explaining why some of us defend him. Please show me how Goerge made it about race.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 2/9/2014 1:39:31 PM   
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"Ted Nugent calls President Obama ‘an avowed racist’ for sympathizing with Trayvon Martin’s parents"



http://thegrio.com/2014/02/06/ted-nugent-calls-president-obama-an-avowed-racist-for-sympathizing-with-trayvon-martins-parents/





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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 2/9/2014 1:51:16 PM   
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The right made it about race....



"Ted Nugent calls President Obama ‘an avowed racist’ for sympathizing with Trayvon Martin’s parents"



http://thegrio.com/2014/02/06/ted-nugent-calls-president-obama-an-avowed-racist-for-sympathizing-with-trayvon-martins-parents/






The gun haters made it about race and who gives a fuck what Nugent thinks.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 2/9/2014 2:00:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		You professional victims are thinking the world revolves are you, again....

It doesn`t and no one hates gun owners....

And that has NOTHING to do with race injected into that case....

Fox-noise mentioning Al Sharpton over other sentence did and that was very calculated...

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 2/9/2014 11:10:15 PM   
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In between.
But nothing that affects my being rational, rationality being what has always been missing from your posts.


When you have to attack the PERSON and not refute the ARGUMENT, you've already lost. ( aka "First person to ad-hominem loses" corollary of Godwin's Law )

< Message edited by farglebargle -- 2/9/2014 11:12:18 PM >

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 2/9/2014 11:17:10 PM   
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In between.
But nothing that affects my being rational, rationality being what has always been missing from your posts.


When you have to attack the PERSON and not refute the ARGUMENT, you've already lost. ( aka "First person to ad-hominem loses" corollary of Godwin's Law )

Your not worth attacking

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 2/10/2014 4:44:38 AM   
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Your not worth attacking


Of course, you meant "you're", the contraction of 'you' and 'are'.

Given that I quoted your attack upon me in support of my comment, your assertion:

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rationality being what has always been missing from your posts.


indicates that you are simply unable to continue this discussion at the requisite level of attentiveness. Not MY problem, but it ends the possibility of your making useful contributions.

You go in the 'noise' pile, not 'signal'. Metafilter fixes this issue by requiring people to spend 5 dollars to comment. CM might be wise to consider this.



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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 2/10/2014 5:38:15 AM   
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Evidently.

Shit, you'd think the fuckwit was somebody important in Congress the way the rightists in here make excuses for him...



I fail to understand why you and 59 can't get it through your head that this isn't a left vs right thing. Are you really so obsessed with the political fence that any time anyone disagrees with you they must be "rightists". Do you dream about them when you go to sleep also?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 2/10/2014 5:44:42 AM   
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The right made it about race....



"Ted Nugent calls President Obama ‘an avowed racist’ for sympathizing with Trayvon Martin’s parents"



http://thegrio.com/2014/02/06/ted-nugent-calls-president-obama-an-avowed-racist-for-sympathizing-with-trayvon-martins-parents/







And that is one of your biggest problems. Ted Nugent speaks for himself and no one else.
Ted Nugent made it about race not the right. maybe once you grasp this concept people will stop suggesting you are such a bigot but I honestly don't see it happening soon.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 2/10/2014 5:49:26 AM   
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stop calling him a bigot....its easy

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 2/10/2014 10:16:30 AM   
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Your not worth attacking


Of course, you meant "you're", the contraction of 'you' and 'are'.

Given that I quoted your attack upon me in support of my comment, your assertion:

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rationality being what has always been missing from your posts.


indicates that you are simply unable to continue this discussion at the requisite level of attentiveness. Not MY problem, but it ends the possibility of your making useful contributions.

You go in the 'noise' pile, not 'signal'. Metafilter fixes this issue by requiring people to spend 5 dollars to comment. CM might be wise to consider this.



Or you can put me on hide if you find me that offensive.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 2/10/2014 6:27:41 PM   
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The POS should have never been allowed to have weapons in the first place.


I would far rather see your first amendment rights curtailed than his 2nd amendment rights stripped from him.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 2/10/2014 6:44:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Isn't that what makes America great? I will even defend your 1st amendment right to comment on my post just as I will defend my right and my opinion as a gun owner to speak about Zimmerman not owning weapons when he was on prescription drugs for mental instability, ie depression and mood swings. As I said before, just because something may be our "right" to do so, doesn't necessarily make it right to do.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 2/11/2014 4:45:41 AM   
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I fail to understand why you and 59 can't get it through your head that this isn't a left vs right thing.

Mostly because you, and every other pro-Zimmy poster in here, are part of the CM rightist massive. If this isn't a right/left theft, you guys have done a very good job of making it one.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 2/11/2014 5:54:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		It isn't a right / left thing. Except for DW65 and one or two others, its a pro gun / anti gun thing. Also I don't know the extent of why or whatever it is about what medication Zimmy was taking but I'm not so sure why whatever it was he was taking should disqualify him. Maybe DW65 could let us in on a few specifics.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 2/11/2014 6:07:49 AM   
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It isn't a right / left thing. Except for DW65 and one or two others, its a pro gun / anti gun thing. Also I don't know the extent of why or whatever it is about what medication Zimmy was taking but I'm not so sure why whatever it was he was taking should disqualify him. Maybe DW65 could let us in on a few specifics.


For me, pro-gun and anti-gun came into it; but so did issues around authoritarianism/anti-authoritarianism, race, and age. As for right wing / left wing . . . as far as I can see that arises pretty much inevitably in most political debates. In my experience trying to wish it away is a forlorn task.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 2/11/2014 6:57:21 AM   
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It isn't a right / left thing. Except for DW65 and one or two others, its a pro gun / anti gun thing. Also I don't know the extent of why or whatever it is about what medication Zimmy was taking but I'm not so sure why whatever it was he was taking should disqualify him. Maybe DW65 could let us in on a few specifics.


For me, pro-gun and anti-gun came into it; but so did issues around authoritarianism/anti-authoritarianism, race, and age. As for right wing / left wing . . . as far as I can see that arises pretty much inevitably in most political debates. In my experience trying to wish it away is a forlorn task.


It's not really a pro gun thing for me. It just seems to divide along those lines. If someone shoots when they hadn't ought to, as far as I'm concerned they should face the consequences. As for race, it was racial issues that drummed up sentiment in certain segments of the public thus throwing Zimmy back into the legal system when it was previously determined there was no case.

If yer going to follow someone who seems suspicious, it's best to do so unobserved. I get that, but railroading someone to pander to certain societal or political elements is fucked up. And then to have people pile on making up their own facts as they go along is even more fucked up. The whole incident was unusual and I'm still sayin it was a freak of nature.

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