Louve00
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ORIGINAL: RacerJim
I agree with you that many children these days aren't innocent -- me and most of my friends during my childhood years (50's) weren't innocent little kids either. However, if Trayvon Martin was in fact among today's usual mix of kids -- nothing that made him any better or any worse -- then it's no wonder that so many kids, specifically so many black kids, get suspended from school, arrested, jailed/imprisoned. You, like most of Martin's defenders, assume a mighty lot by saying Zimmerman kept following Martin after Zimmerman told the 911 dispatcher he lost sight of Martin (confirmed by Martin's 'girlfriend' saying Martin told her he had lost Zimmerman), when COMMON SENSE LOGIC says that in order to continue following someone you have to be able to either keep them in sight or see which direction they were going when you lost sight of them, but I know, I know...your mind is too closed to think like that for even a minute.
Need I remind you of the FOUR MINUTES between the end of Zimmerman's call to 911 non-emergency (when he told 911 that Martin had run out of sight) and the end of Martin's 'girlfriend's call with Martin (when she heard a bump/thump just before Martin's phone disconnected) when neither Zimmerman or Martin knew where the other was? During that time Zimmerman says he continued walking EAST, past the "T", to the end of the walkway in order to locate a street sign so he could give the police (who he was told were already on their way) an address where to meet him at, whereupon not seeing a street sign he called the police and told them he was heading back (WEST) to his car and for them to meet him there. COMMON SENSE LOGIC says that you don't call the police and tell them where to meet you if you're following someone with the intent to murder them. ASSUMING Trayvon Martin was in fact afraid of the "creepy ass cracker" chasing him, COMMON SENSE LOGIC says that during that FOUR MINUTES that Zimmerman didn't know where he was he should have run straight home (his home was less than 400 feet South of the "T"), gone inside, locked the door, called 911 and waited for the police.
The first bolded part interested me. When I stated that most kids aren't innocent today, I did not say most black kids. Nor was I thinking that most black kids aren't innocent. I meant that to mean that most kids, meaning "most" kids. You know, the white ones, black ones, asian ones, hispanic ones. I meant most KIDS!! You're example made it a "blanket" racial statement by depicted only one race more than others that is getting arrested, suspended, thrown in jail. You didn't for a moment consider that some areas are more predominately one race or color over the other. So, I do not buy that "one size fits all" "particular black kids" are suspended, get arrested, go to jail".
My mind is focused on the fact that as Zimmerman attempted to keep an eye on Martin while the police came. And he did in fact follow him, and he did run back to his truck to bring it closer to the infamous T. Zimmerman also ran around like an idiot to identify street signs (oh, and this complex that he is a watchman for only has 3 streets in it...and he can't remember what one of the three streets he is on???....Again, very interesting, so yes, you're right...I can't picture it...or wrap my mind around that kind of logic. 
As for the four minutes you speak of, I have no idea where in the timeline that 4 minutes fits in. Is it when Trayvon hid behind the bushes? Is is Trayvon constantly talking on the phone to that creole girl?, not sure where he or Zimmerman were? I'm not sure, other than from the testimony of the girl, I could assume Trayvon was freaked out by Zimmerman and for all we know, him being street-wise, was weighing his options to get out of the situation. So yes, Trayvon was ready to defend himself by fist fighting. Not by crying like a baby and fumbling to get your gun out and shoot the...kid.
And by the way, Trayvon called Zimmerman a cracker, but Zimmerman called him a 'fucking punk' and went on to say 'they always get away'. I'd say Zimmerman started out with a chip on his shoulder and a need to fulfill, while Trayvon wound up forced to deal with that kind of attitude.
< Message edited by Louve00 -- 7/14/2013 9:45:38 AM >
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