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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

as I said, show it or shut it
you have nothing... cmon, post, topic, year....you MUST have found something...that or
YOUR reality is in meltdown mode

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Are you or are you not claiming it was homophobia to fear that a creepy guy following a young man might be a child molester?

I think males who are predisposed to imagining that anytime another male appears to be following them he might be a gay rapist looking to pounce could fairly be described as a tad homophobic. But, what has that to do with your bizarre insistence that homophobia could have nothing to do with it unless I was saying that ALL homosexuals are rapists?

You have an abundance of shit in your head, some of it quite disgusting, which you routinely deny by claiming it to be the product of a mind other than your own, what some other person "meant" by what they said, and even on occasion what they actually said when they plainly said nothing of the kind. Lose this habit. It fools nobody, and it annoys people.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

The man is a moron Tazzy. The notion anyone who doesnt think Zimmerman is innocent is a racist is pathetic nonsense.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Im clueless.. though I have my suspicions... care to discuss this in mail?

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ORIGINAL: tammystarm

~FR~
My thoughts,
If you want racism to stop ,
Then stop bringing it into it.

See-this is the debate I think we should be having.How did this case become about racism? Why did it?Why did it sit for two weeks and then explode? What forces pushed this and why? Where is the responsibility? Who fueled this false fire and what's their reasons/goals for doing so?
These are pertinent questions.

Further questions.
-Since Z is a minority and the state and feds have clearly singled him out for prosecution, overzealously so according to many lawyers,have his civil rights been violated?Does he have a legit federal case that The Man used all his power to railroad a potentially innocent Latin?
-Why are so many people dismissing the prosecutorial misconduct in this case? Is it now believed that it's acceptable for the govt to go to any lengths including violating its own laws to get someone to appease political agendas?
-Considering that neither Z nor his attorneys used any vestige of SYG (They relied solely on an old fashioned true blue American self defense strategy),why are Florida's SYG laws still in the discussion?
-Z has had multiple federal agencies,including 45(Count em,45!) freaking investigators, thoroughly vet his entire life under a federal microscope.Each and all found no racism in his background.This includes the FBI. Yet the Attorney General vowed to continue to investigate him. At what point does the government go into overkill and double jeopardy statutes start to kick in? Or do the feds just have the authority to keep throwing federal agencies at someone until they crumble? And why do people not have a problem with this?


What I'm suggesting,hell,saying, is that many external forces seized on this case,saw it as an opportunity advance their social/political/personal/financial agendas,whether the NAACP, Obama,The NRA, SYG advocates/deniers, racists on both sides of the political coin, whoever.
Why aren't we having a discussion about them. About the forces that intentionally separate us as a society, that fan the fires that divide, about how the fly false flags to advance disguised agendas, that shape and pervert our society.
Now that's a conversation worth having. At least in my mind
We could keep dicking round with the symptom or really start seeking the core issues.

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No one won this battle
Sad at the state of the American people.

The truest words yet uttered on this thread

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Im clueless.. though I have my suspicions... care to discuss this in mail?

I know I know and I agree!!!!!

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

as I said, show it or shut it
you have nothing... cmon, post, topic, year....you MUST have found something...that or
YOUR reality is in meltdown mode

Quite right, and he still hasnt responded to his despicable use of the term "Paki bashing"

Its a it sad that he uses such terms in trolling me, but cant actually back anything up.

Anyone else guessed what his old username was yet ? I sussed it out weeks ago.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Im clueless.. though I have my suspicions... care to discuss this in mail?

I know I know and I agree!!!!!

Well, fuck me!!

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

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You see post history as you want... I see it differently....

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4322857

I fail to see how your example (which deals with sexism, not racism) disproves my point that Fargle, despite his outlandish rhetoric, is anti-racist (and anti-sexist for that matter).

I think that people who constantly make things about race, whether they are or not, are racists. I don't think I'm alone in that here.

This isn't a racial case.In never was.never should have been seen as such.
The jury sure didn't:
"While the George Zimmerman second-degree murder trial was viewed as racially charged, an anonymous juror told CNN's Anderson Cooper Monday night that the issue of race didn't come up during deliberations.

"I thought all of us did not think race played a role" in 17-year-old Trayvon Martin's death, a juror known as B37 told Cooper"

But a certain embedded element with the media and here seem to be obsessed with race (In fargles case,lynching) and have done everything within their power to make this a racial case.
Which is bizarre,because as has been beaten to death,Z is half latin,maybe has a black grandma-how white folk got dragged into this is beyond me...

I think that there is still this law on the books in Cali that a woman is prohibited from wearing her bathrobe while driving a car.

You keep making all this Hullabaloo about the law, and how the jury upheld the law in place as it is, at this moment.

If you know anything of history, anything at all, then you might be acquainted with the instance of the law and actual justice only having coincidental coincidence at various points throughout history.

Even at this time.

"Law" is the most permeable of things in a society.

Considering a verifiably mentally unastable armed nut case's shooting of a teenager as this same society's intended implementation of "justice" is another matter entirely.

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But you know perfectly well that Fargle was being sarcastic and using black and white as synonyms for inferior and superior because that is how racists tend to think.

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In fact,my main interest in it at this point is because I'm watching the justice system be subverted in a way that's incredible.
Worse, no one seems to have a problem with it.Instead, they're willing to essentially suspend due process, trial by jury, double jeopardy, sharing evidence with the defense and a whole lot of other vital civil liberties in order to hand their man, facts to the contrary be damned.
As an American citizen, that interests me greatly. As I think it should all of us.

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You see post history as you want... I see it differently....

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4322857

I fail to see how your example (which deals with sexism, not racism) disproves my point that Fargle, despite his outlandish rhetoric, is anti-racist (and anti-sexist for that matter).

I think that people who constantly make things about race, whether they are or not, are racists. I don't think I'm alone in that here.

This isn't a racial case.In never was.never should have been seen as such.
The jury sure didn't:
"While the George Zimmerman second-degree murder trial was viewed as racially charged, an anonymous juror told CNN's Anderson Cooper Monday night that the issue of race didn't come up during deliberations.

"I thought all of us did not think race played a role" in 17-year-old Trayvon Martin's death, a juror known as B37 told Cooper"

But a certain embedded element with the media and here seem to be obsessed with race (In fargles case,lynching) and have done everything within their power to make this a racial case.
Which is bizarre,because as has been beaten to death,Z is half latin,maybe has a black grandma-how white folk got dragged into this is beyond me...

I think that there is still this law on the books in Cali that a woman is prohibited from wearing her bathrobe while driving a car.

You keep making all this Hullabaloo about the law, and how the jury upheld the law in place as it is, at this moment.

If you know anything of history, anything at all, then you might be acquainted with the instance of the law and actual justice only having coincidental coincidence at various points throughout history.

Even at this time.

"Law" is the most permeable of things in a society.

Considering a verifiably mentally unastable armed nut case's shooting of a teenager as this same society's intended implementation of "justice" is another matter entirely.

Errr,I see this through a legal perspective because it's, you know, a criminal case.

In fact,my main interest in it at this point is because I'm watching the justice system be subverted in a way that's incredible.
Worse, no one seems to have a problem with it.Instead, they're willing to essentially suspend due process, trial by jury, double jeopardy, sharing evidence with the defense and a whole lot of other vital civil liberties in order to hand their man, facts to the contrary be damned.
As an American citizen, that interests me greatly. As I think it should all of us.

And where does the verifiable mental unstable come from? If Z had been nuts, the prosecution would have driven it home 100,000 times. Instead, they uttered not a peep, nor has any news agency, even with their wild mudslinging, suggested it. The fact that they didn't even bring it up suggests strongly that your implications are, how to pout this kindly, wandering rather far afield of the truth.
One of the nice things about the legal system is they like to deal with fact, not wild unbased innuendo.

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But you know perfectly well that Fargle was being sarcastic and using black and white as synonyms for inferior and superior because that is how racists tend to think.

Which, according to your theory that we are all racists (one with which I pretty much agree,purely BTW) means that we all think that way,including you.

This sweeping generalization, man, it's painting with too broad a brush. It lessens your argument. And defending fargle is a pipedream, the man is full scale looney tunes. It's like trying to defend Manson's sanity at a board hearing-just a truly hopeless cause :-)

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Greater % voted for the various civil rights in th 60's - check