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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/25/2013 7:40:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Maybe you need to look up the legal definitions of "prostitution"

pros·ti·tu·tion
/ˌprästəˈt(y)o͞oSHən/
Noun

The practice or occupation of engaging in sex with someone for payment.
The corrupt use of one's talents for personal or financial gain.

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/25/2013 7:43:54 PM

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I always feel sorry for those who think the two subjects (Domination and sex) are automatically related. What a limited life they lead.

I must lead a limited life because if I get an erection out of it, it's about sex.
Since I get aroused by D/s play, it's all about sex.
I don't get an erection out of going to work and fixing computers, for instance.

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/25/2013 7:57:28 PM

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I asked for the legal, not the Oxford....

Now, explain the difference between prostitution and...

sex shows (peep shows)....
strip shows....
porn....

Come on.... I know you can do it....

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/25/2013 7:59:02 PM

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I must lead a limited life because if I get an erection out of it, it's about sex.

Hmmm... so you are engaged in prostitution if you watch porn?

If you see a pretty girl walking down the beach and something "twitches" in your pants?

So you admit you are a "john"????

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/25/2013 8:09:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
I asked for the legal, not the Oxford....

The legal definition is well known.
Sex for money is prostitution.

What's not as well known is what constitutes sex.

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/25/2013 8:23:34 PM

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Hmmm... so you are engaged in prostitution if you watch porn?

There was a landmark case in California years ago, where they tried to prosecute the porn industry in LA, calling the filming of sex for hire prostitution.

Let me dig it up, but what the net was that if the money is for something else, then it's not prostitution. But if the money is for just sex, which as defined as physical touching of the genitalia, with or without condoms or gloves, then it's prostitution.

It turned out, if I remember correctly, that the money was for the film, and not for the sex. I will see if I can google up that case.

Bringing it back to findomming, if the money is for a sexual act, then it's prostitution. If the money is not for a sexual act, then it's not prostitution. I've never been to a findomme so I have no idea if the genitalia are touched or not in a typical session.

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/25/2013 8:55:18 PM

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The Straight Dope: Why aren't porn actors charged with prostitution?

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Back in the 1980s some law-enforcement types in LA got the bright idea that they could use California's pandering statute to run pornographers out of town. Instead, they established a legal precedent that enshrined their state as the porn capital of the U.S.

"for [an act] to constitute 'prostitution,' the genitals, buttocks, or female breast, of either the prostitute or the customer must come in contact with some part of the body of the other for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification of the customer or of the prostitute"

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/25/2013 9:04:36 PM

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From that article it seems that they purpose of the payment is critical for a successful prosecution.

That article says "There is no evidence that [the producer] paid the acting fees for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification, his own or the actors'." Thus, no prostitution."

So what is the true purpose of the money paid for financial domination?

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/25/2013 9:14:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Now, explain the difference between prostitution and...
sex shows (peep shows)....
strip shows....
porn....

It's simple, and, the first amendment is involved as much as anything else.
Why is Prostitution Illegal, but Pornography is Not?

"Prostitution is defined as “‘any lewd act between persons for money or other consideration.” The state argued that since the performers engaged in sexual acts before the movie cameras “for the money they received,” they were engaged in prostitution, and thus Mr. Freeman was engaged in “procuring” them for prostitution."

They go on to define it deeper as "The Court noted that for an act to constitute prostitution, “the genitals, buttocks, or female breast, of either the prostitute or the customer must come in contact with some part of the body of the other for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification of the customer or of the prostitute.” Id (citing People v. Hill (1980) 103 Cal.App.3d 525, at 534-535). Since the payment of the acting fees was the only payment, there was no evidence that any payment was made for the purpose of sexual gratification. "

So, I ask the seemingly innocent question of you in particular, for typical Financial Domination, what is the money paid for?

And, does the person paying or receiving that money expect any contact with the genitals, buttocks or female breast for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification of either party?

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/25/2013 9:20:26 PM

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears from reading profiles of the young findommes searching for paypiggies, they seldom meet the men paying.
Most of it is online/webcam.

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/25/2013 9:22:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: MsLadySue
Most of it is online/webcam.

Then, in California, they can't be prosecuted for prostitution!

Take, for example, the well-publicized case of Tom and Suzy Wahl, the St. Louis husband and wife who sought to engage in sexual performances for paying customers, to further sex education. The state applied prostitution laws to those performances and the couple’s convictions have been upheld on appeal.

REFERENCE = http://www.firstamendment.com/site-articles/content-outside-california/

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/25/2013 10:43:42 PM

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So it's prostitution. So what. So is everything else. If a woman can have that power over a man, so be it. He's the one paying. He's not complaining.

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/25/2013 10:59:48 PM

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So, I ask the seemingly innocent question of you in particular, for typical Financial Domination, what is the money paid for?

For the time she spends on him. Could be just to chat, could be to go over a particular assignment, could be to direct a self flogging, could be a slew of things, you are assuming its for sex.

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/25/2013 10:59:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: Galacia
I must lead a limited life because if I get an erection out of it, it's about sex.
Since I get aroused by D/s play, it's all about sex.
I don't get an erection out of going to work and fixing computers, for instance.

Just out of curiosity.........

Woman tops man for the purpose of S/m. He gets an erection but she doesn't get turned on by the scene at all.

Are you considering that sexual just because only one, and not both, of the participants believes it is?

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/26/2013 1:49:16 AM

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I just don't even have enough energy right now to explain why people who think fin domes are prostitutes, are idiots.

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/26/2013 2:37:32 AM

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I hate to be the one to burst your bubble, but most legitimate pro dommes DO NOT have sex with their clients. They tend to have very strict guidelines for what their clients can and can't do and for what they won't do to the client. Anything overtly sexual is off the table. Again, this is *most* pro dommes. I'm sure you can find a pro who will have intercourse, allow the sub oral, or who will peg.

So I don't consider most pros prostitutes. However, you use the term prostitution in a very negative context. Prostitution is a hard job, one that some cultures (Thailand comes to mind) respect.

In my strong opinion prostitution should be legal. Those hard working girls perform a necessary job that requires talent and skill to do well.

JMO, YMMV

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/26/2013 6:46:05 AM

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ORIGINAL: CoCoCapitalist

What are your thoughts on this topic...?

As with anything, whatever people want to do is whatever people want to do. Live and let live. It's really no skin off me. In matters of business and finance, I would suggest that people should be careful, since people can and do get scammed all the time. Likewise, I wouldn't let someone tie me up unless I knew the person, so I think the same principle would apply in any other form of domination. You have to know who you're dealing with. (This should be common sense for anyone, but some people throw their common sense to the four winds.)

Personally, I never could quite get the whole fascination behind "cybering" or "sexting" or even phone sex for that matter. I know a lot of people like it, and it's a big industry (and good luck to 'em), but it's something I never could quite fathom. I'm not even a big fan of "chatting" in general. I tried it, but it would get too unwieldy and hard to follow the conversation at times, especially if I'm conversing with multiple people at the same time. I don't text on my cellphone very much, and frankly, I don't even like talking on the phone at all. I like message boards because I can sit and take my time to compose a post, with no pressure to come up with a quick response.

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/26/2013 7:41:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt
Prostitution is a hard job, one that some cultures (Thailand comes to mind) respect.

I saw no evidence of that at all. All the girls we talked to were ashamed, and hiding their profession from their family and/or boyfriends. One of the reasons quoted as to why so many Thai hookers try to get hooked up to Western men is that, once it's known they're prostitutes, none of the Thai men want anything more to do with them.
I've seen shop keepers in small grocery stores refuse to serve hookers, and them being all-round stigmatized and humiliated over their profession.

Where did you get the idea they're respected?

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/26/2013 12:30:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
you are assuming its for sex.

Is is for sexual gratification, and if touching is involved, it's prostitution in the eyes of the law. Do they look a different way? Sure. Does anyone care? Nope.

So, it's prostitution. So what. So are a LOT of other things women and men do every day for money.

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/26/2013 3:22:00 PM

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Just because you say it's prostitution doesn't make it so. I have never had sex with any of my male subs. There for prostitution doesn't come into play. You let me know when impact play, shopping, fine dining, and humiliation becomes prostitution then I'll agree with you.

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