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Hands Falling Asleep - 6/28/2006 4:54:40 PM   
snellbucket


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My master is limited in what we can do because my hands fall asleep easily.

Questions:

How long can they be "asleep" before permanent damage is done? One of my master’s favorite positions is strappado (feet on ground of course) but my hands go numb after 15 minutes or so.

What are some good non-numbing tie positions?

Thanks!
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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 6/28/2006 6:23:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		try keeping your wrists in a neutral position (not bent down or up), and either by your sides or out if that doesn't bother them. arms overhead can frequently elicit the numbness in your thumb and fingers.

if it's something that persists in other routines, you might want to see a doc as those symptoms are indicative of carpal tunnel syndrome. there are commercial splints you can get to help with positioning, but they usually crank the wrist back too far from neutral. there is a metal bar inside that can be bent into the desired position. hope this helps.

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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 6/28/2006 9:50:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think they should be allowed to be "asleep" for any length of time at all. I am always very aware of my girl's pulse, motion, and sensation. Numbness is not permitted. Hurting her is okay; harming her is not. I'm sure the two of you can put your heads together and find some techniques that will work for you.

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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 6/28/2006 10:47:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have had Carpal Tunnel surgery on both of my hands. I have a lot of problems with my hands going numb. I have found that I can not use rope or metal cuffs. Use wide leather cuffs...the kind that go over the wrist and up into the palm of the hand. The use of cuffs of that type generally stops the problem for me. They are pricey...but worth it.

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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 6/28/2006 10:49:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=duration+of+compression+before+nerve+damage&btnG=Search

that's a google search about duration of nerve compression related to nerve damage. times vary according to the degree of compression. left untreated, chronic nerve compression will lead to nerve conduction loss and nerve death eventually. hope this helps.

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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 6/28/2006 10:54:02 PM   
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a link to lined wide wrist cuffs that are comfortable for those with problems with pre-op or post-op carpal tunnel and just anyone who likes comfy cuffs : ). hope this helps.

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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 6/28/2006 11:04:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: girl4you2

http://www.tower9.com/default.asp?S=503&A=E&PKV=TL1190BRLT|0

a link to lined wide wrist cuffs that are comfortable for those with problems with pre-op or post-op carpal tunnel and just anyone who likes comfy cuffs : ). hope this helps.


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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 6/29/2006 6:57:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		here's another link....look at the suspension cuffs

http://www.fetishtemple.com/cuffs/index.html

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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 6/29/2006 4:27:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes...I type at a PC all day long...I don't have any other pain or symptoms...they often go asleep at night too when I am in certian positions.

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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 6/29/2006 4:29:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesertRat

I don't think they should be allowed to be "asleep" for any length of time at all. I am always very aware of my girl's pulse, motion, and sensation. Numbness is not permitted. Hurting her is okay; harming her is not. I'm sure the two of you can put your heads together and find some techniques that will work for you.

Bob


We are considering a straitjacket.

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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 6/29/2006 10:01:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		You can try placing something in the palm of your hand to keep each hand in what we call a neutral position. It helps to protect against nerve damage when we put patients in a splint. A roll of gauze works great. Also, you can have cuffs custom made that are wide, and flat. I find suspension cuffs that have a bar that I can grasp help me go for hours, otherwise I would be having to be let down in about half an hour.

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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 6/29/2006 11:55:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: snellbucket
Yes...I type at a PC all day long...I don't have any other pain or symptoms...they often go asleep at night too when I am in certian positions.


I urge you to see your doctor. Those are the symptoms of Carpal Tunnel. I ignored mine because there was no pain....only numbness. I saw a physician for an unrelated injury to my arm. When he inspected my hands he asked me how long they had been numb. I said how do you know they are numb. He told me that just by looking at them he could see that I had severe carpal tunnel and that my muscles were wasting away. I nearly lost the use of my hands and was off of work for the next year. The surgeries helped some but my hands will never be right because I waited too long.

< Message edited by mistoferin -- 6/29/2006 11:56:08 PM >

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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 6/30/2006 2:47:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have scoliosis and if I sit in certain positions for too long, parts of me begin to go numb. It is amazing what one little curve of the spine can cause many parts of the body to do. If I sit at the PC too long with my fingers elevated too high (usually when typing a lot) they begin to go numb at the tips. I do not have carpel tunnel, but I do have an aquaintance that does. My numbness is caused by my slightly curved spine.

I also hear Diabetes can caused numbness especially in the hands and feet. My Master has Diabetes. (and please forgive my improper spelling) He has numbness in both His feet and hands, at times. Feet especially.

This could be a number of things for you. My suggestion, like Other's, is go see your Doctor...SOON :-)

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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 6/30/2006 7:41:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		As a diabetic i can say my hands do go numbe at times. If it happenes restraints are loosened and my hands are checked more often. If there are no restraints i move them and make sure the numbnes is left or play stops untill there ok again. i know for me its important to watch and make sure it is not happening i would only imagine that it is important for anyone playing to make sure there not going numb at any time and would advise that if your feeling numb or like a hand or foot is falling asleep that you let your Partner know so things can be rearanged and your getting proper circulation

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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 6/30/2006 7:47:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		i have very small wrists and found that many cuffs wont fit me unless i wrap my wrists in bandana's they help fill out the cuff but also offer great padding so i dont loose blood flow........try it, you might like it.

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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 6/30/2006 9:54:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		The symptoms you are describing could be related to blood pressure
too.  Please go see your doctor for a full check up.
 
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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 7/1/2006 10:25:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		In regards to scoliosis, have you tried seeing a chiropractor regurlary? I work for one, and getting regularly adjusted has really helped, as I have scoliosis (and an extra vertebrae).

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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 7/1/2006 10:28:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		In regards to the carpal tunnel surgery, futher studies have shown the surgery is not as effective as originally thought. Many patients only find relief after several surgeries, if they find relief at all. Recent studies have shown that regular (once or twice a month) chiropractic adjustments can help take pressure off the nerves without surgery. Sure, you have to keep it up on a regular basis, but it is FAR less invasive than surgery.

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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 7/2/2006 11:22:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		This happened to my puppy yesterday. He was performing an intimate personal service for me with his wrists bound in wide velcro cuffs (I'm lazy lol) and though I couldn't see it, he apparently had his weight against one of his wrists in a way that resulted in a long period of numbness after. Very scary, as I have carpal tunnel as well as a result of a wrist fracture, so no matter how hot and effective *that* service was, " it ain't happening" again.

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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 7/4/2006 4:45:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TheJackal

quote:

ORIGINAL: girl4you2

a link to lined wide wrist cuffs that are comfortable for those with problems with pre-op or post-op carpal tunnel and just anyone who likes comfy cuffs : ). hope this helps.


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http://www.tower9.com/default.asp?S=500&CategoryID=786056&PageNo=2

try this one and go to the latigo bracelets of knowledge product : ) hope this one works.

edited after i'd read the whole thread. far more patients find success following carpal tunnel release surgery than don't. as was pointed out above, the longer you wait, the greater the chance that irreparable damage to the nerve may take place. nerve conduction studies will show how compromised the nerve function is. while some patients may need a second release far down the line, the number needing so is quite small.

in any case, not having anything done at all puts one at risk of permanent nerve damage with resultant loss of motor/muscle function along with the pain and numbness (the numbness comes first, then follows the intractable nerve pain).

i don't just know about the surgery, i've had it done bilaterally. so i speak from both sides of the table. of course, always consult with your own physician/neurologist. end of disclaimer and speech.

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