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19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care?

He got what he deserved

15% (14)

I would take him to Disneyland

2% (2)

Cops are a cold hearted SOB

20% (18)

I personally am sick of looking at grapiti

12% (11)

Outlaw tazers

13% (12)

More people ought to tag

3% (3)

I want to live in a slum

1% (1)

Kids will be kids

11% (10)

Regulate sales of paint

7% (7)

Buy that cop a beer!

11% (10)

Total Votes : 88

(last vote on : 8/16/2013 2:00:10 PM)
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BamaD -> RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? (8/11/2013 6:09:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 You didn't understood what I meant, maybe I haven't used the proper words, if someone charges has less controll on his boody than a person that stands if you move in the opposite direction at an almost equal speed you can control the distance and someway fool him as he will expose himself, as this was not a rugby match where is considered no fairplay to pass the ball to avoid a tackle than in that situation I would have kept controlling the boy from his fron but avoiding contact while my other colleagues could just grab him from the sides, it's not cowardice just an alternative way that doesn't involve tazing, it's what a torero does in a corrida or a fencer does in an assoult or what you do in judo, you move back to exploit your opponent, so the half second that hillwilliam extimated will get 2 or 3 seconds where you can also gain control.Than what is the legal system in my country you can react only to actual threats and not presumed so the: "it was night so he may or may not have a knife or gun" concept doesn't work, it works this way can you see a weapon? if yes ok use yours if no then is him a danger for a third party safety having a violent behaviour? yes ok use your weapon, no then suspect safety is police officer concern and has to continue the chase untill he can grab the suspect without risks for him and the suspect or a third party, in this case the threat to safety was just presumed as he was not drawing any weapon and he was not involved in a violent crime and since that moment ran away, and by the way the concept that so called antisocial behaviour indicate a danger for people safety is something i connect much more with DDR and USSR. I'm 52 years old and a hell of a lot slower than I used to be at 18 and I will absolutely guarantee that with a running start and under 20 feet away, I can stick a screwdriver or knife into your guts in about a half second and there isn't a fucking thing you can do about it short of shooting me. That's what the cop was looking at. JOIN THE FUCKING REAL WORLD OF PHYSICS AND SCIENCE ETA 2-3 seconds to traverse 20 feet? Are you on a fucking roller walker? Whatever it takes for the cops to be wrong.

eulero83 -> RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? (8/11/2013 8:34:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam I'm 52 years old and a hell of a lot slower than I used to be at 18 and I will absolutely guarantee that with a running start and under 20 feet away, I can stick a screwdriver or knife into your guts in about a half second and there isn't a fucking thing you can do about it short of shooting me. That's what the cop was looking at. JOIN THE FUCKING REAL WORLD OF PHYSICS AND SCIENCE ETA 2-3 seconds to traverse 20 feet? Are you on a fucking roller walker? I practice fencing, sabre to be precise, you start at 2m (7 feet) from your opponent the weapon is 70cm (13") long, and there is no possibility to move on the sides and you don't get touched by the opponent every fucking time in the first second after the start, you can say it's just a fake weapon but the dinamic is the same, just that distances are slower, than if you read what I wrote I told that moving backwars will increase the time not standing still in your point! By the way to cover 20 feet of distance from standstill in 0.5s you need an acceleration of 48 m/s^2 that's 4.9 times gravity, if you can cover 20 feet in 0.5s your time on 100m will be 8.33s, Usain Bolt covered the first 10m in 1.87 running 100m record so now we know he is the second fastest man on heart as you at 56 are the one.

igor2003 -> RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? (8/11/2013 9:38:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 Absolutely not. What I'm saying is that of the two versions told, the cops are the ones with more reason to falsify what they said. . That is incorrect. By Florida law, the lookouts could be charged with up to murder I as they abetted. Maybe. Maybe not. There are a number of specifics that are still unknown. At most, that would make the lookout only equally as likely to lie, but certainly no more likely to. And, unfortunately, there is probably no way to determine who is telling the lie, so of course the guys with the guns and badges will be the ones getting the benefit of the doubt.

BamaD -> RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? (8/11/2013 10:29:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 Absolutely not. What I'm saying is that of the two versions told, the cops are the ones with more reason to falsify what they said. . That is incorrect. By Florida law, the lookouts could be charged with up to murder I as they abetted. Maybe. Maybe not. There are a number of specifics that are still unknown. At most, that would make the lookout only equally as likely to lie, but certainly no more likely to. And, unfortunately, there is probably no way to determine who is telling the lie, so of course the guys with the guns and badges will be the ones getting the benefit of the doubt. The more the lookout talks the less sense he makes. You want a society where the cops word is meaningless?

ASlave2ServeU -> RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? (8/11/2013 10:53:49 PM)
funny how the SIU haven't issued a news release since july 29th issued first one on july 27th, when the incident occurred then on 29th none since but the cop who saved a chocking woman................ well, the media continually talks about it but not the wonderful cop HES ON A PAID VACATION excuse me, THE COPS ARE NOT GETTING TRAINED PROPERLY NINE SHOTS ? THEN TAZERRED ? GIVE ME A BREAK, PLEASE cant take someone down with the first shot ? shouldn't be using a gun, then should get better training should have psychological testing BEFORE given their guns not just my opinion adrienne

BamaD -> RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? (8/11/2013 11:08:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ASlave2ServeU funny how the SIU haven't issued a news release since july 29th issued first one on july 27th, when the incident occurred then on 29th none since but the cop who saved a chocking woman................ well, the media continually talks about it but not the wonderful cop HES ON A PAID VACATION excuse me, THE COPS ARE NOT GETTING TRAINED PROPERLY NINE SHOTS ? THEN TAZERRED ? GIVE ME A BREAK, PLEASE cant take someone down with the first shot ? shouldn't be using a gun, then should get better training should have psychological testing BEFORE given their guns not just my opinion adrienne Funny how the article indicates the incident didn't even happen till Aug. (see original link)

thishereboi -> RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? (8/12/2013 4:28:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ASlave2ServeU funny how the SIU haven't issued a news release since july 29th issued first one on july 27th, when the incident occurred then on 29th none since but the cop who saved a chocking woman................ well, the media continually talks about it but not the wonderful cop HES ON A PAID VACATION excuse me, THE COPS ARE NOT GETTING TRAINED PROPERLY NINE SHOTS ? THEN TAZERRED ? GIVE ME A BREAK, PLEASE cant take someone down with the first shot ? shouldn't be using a gun, then should get better training should have psychological testing BEFORE given their guns not just my opinion adrienne That quite a first post, but if I may make a suggestion. There is a link in the OP that explains what the thread is about. That would be the tazer story. Nine shots was a totally different story that happened in Canada. So to reply to your post, yes the cop was put on paid leave. They take them off duty anytime there is a death like this. And if I had to guess I would say it's paid because they realize that nothing is going to come of it. The cop didn't try to kill the kid, it was an accident.

Hillwilliam -> RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? (8/12/2013 5:18:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 I practice fencing, sabre to be precise, you start at 2m (7 feet) from your opponent the weapon is 70cm (13") long, and there is no possibility to move on the sides and you don't get touched by the opponent every fucking time in the first second after the start, you can say it's just a fake weapon but the dinamic is the same, just that distances are slower, than if you read what I wrote I told that moving backwars will increase the time not standing still in your point! By the way to cover 20 feet of distance from standstill in 0.5s you need an acceleration of 48 m/s^2 that's 4.9 times gravity, if you can cover 20 feet in 0.5s your time on 100m will be 8.33s, Usain Bolt covered the first 10m in 1.87 running 100m record so now we know he is the second fastest man on heart as you at 56 are the one. I have repeatedly said UNDER 20 feet and ABOUT a half second and said WITH a running start. Did your parents have any children who learned to read?[8\|]

Hillwilliam -> RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? (8/12/2013 5:28:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 Absolutely not. What I'm saying is that of the two versions told, the cops are the ones with more reason to falsify what they said. . That is incorrect. By Florida law, the lookouts could be charged with up to murder I as they abetted. Maybe. Maybe not. There are a number of specifics that are still unknown. At most, that would make the lookout only equally as likely to lie, but certainly no more likely to. And, unfortunately, there is probably no way to determine who is telling the lie, so of course the guys with the guns and badges will be the ones getting the benefit of the doubt. I was simply pointing out that the witnesses have more to lose than the cops. The cops involved could be disciplined. The witnesses could be looking at a murder charge. Who has more to lose? Here's a quote: "The felony murder doctrine, explains Paul H. Robinson, professor of law at the University of Pennsylvania Law School, punishes as murder all deaths caused in the course of a felony—even if the killing is accidental—and applies murder liability not only to the person causing the death, but to all accomplices in the underlying felony. “That's a risk that a person who commits a crime with others undertakes; if one of their cohorts gets killed, then they're responsible.” I won't post the article because it involves juveniles. Evading arrest is a felony. Vandalism is a felony if the damage is over a certain fairly small amount. They were helping him do both, why else have a lookout if you don't intend to evade arrest. This is a well known law down there that has been on the books for decades so they have a lot to lose and they know it.

pahunkboy -> RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? (8/12/2013 5:28:41 AM)
quote: There is a link in the OP that explains what the thread is about I dont mind some thread drift- but I must admit I was baffled by the 9 shots comment.

tj444 -> RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? (8/12/2013 5:50:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam I was simply pointing out that the witnesses have more to lose than the cops. The cops involved could be disciplined. The witnesses could be looking at a murder charge. Who has more to lose? Here's a quote: "The felony murder doctrine, explains Paul H. Robinson, professor of law at the University of Pennsylvania Law School, punishes as murder all deaths caused in the course of a felony—even if the killing is accidental—and applies murder liability not only to the person causing the death, but to all accomplices in the underlying felony. “That's a risk that a person who commits a crime with others undertakes; if one of their cohorts gets killed, then they're responsible.” I won't post the article because it involves juveniles. Evading arrest is a felony. Vandalism is a felony if the damage is over a certain fairly small amount. They were helping him do both, why else have a lookout if you don't intend to evade arrest. This is a well known law down there that has been on the books for decades so they have a lot to lose and they know it. honestly.. the mentality to elevate this to a murder charge is why I have no respect at all for "US justice".. there is absolutely no humanity or sanity in how it works.. its hitting a fly with a sledgehammer when a flyswatter will do the job.. to turn kids into criminals and throw them in jail for decades just cuz they did something minor like this is why you have so many people in jail that really shouldnt be.. Quite frankly, imo, their friend being dead is punishment enough.. It was a fucking accident!.. This country is so fucking sad and messed up.. I know, I know, ya gotta be "tough on crime".. [8\|]

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? (8/12/2013 5:51:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 I practice fencing, sabre to be precise, you start at 2m (7 feet) from your opponent the weapon is 70cm (13") long.... Dunno how you worked that out. My tape measure shows 70cm is roughly 27.5" - not 13". That aside, you are practicing fencing in ideal conditions. A clean, well-lit room. Everyone wearing the appropriate gear. A sporting sense of "fair play". The case we are discussing is completely different. It was dark. We are talking concrete pavements, not grass or padded mats. The perpetrator knows he is breaking the law. Even to the point that they must try to avoid arrest - they posted a lookout. The police arrived when he was doing the damage - got caught red-handed. He gave them a merry runaround because he really didn't want to be caught. He got cornered/surrounded and only had 2 options - 1) give up peacefully (which he chose not to do); 2) try and rush his only exit in the hopes he could out-dodge the cop blocking his way out. In the dark, he got a decent spurt of speed before anyone realised and saw what the fuck he was actually trying to do. The police needed to stop him quickly and effectively and with minimal fuss - hence the tazer. The outcome was a tragic accident which is still being investigated. So your analagy and comparison was very flawed and not relevant. As for who is more likely to lie about what happened?? In my mind, everything else being equal, the taggers (and this death) have a shitload more to lose than the cop doing his duty. The cops have no real sensible reason to lie but the other taggers really need to say it's police brutality in order for them all not to face a murder/manslaughter charge. Seems pretty straight-forward to me. No contest IMHO. ETA: A running individual packs quite a punch if you try to stop them. Even a well-practiced rugby tackle can be dodged and put yourself off-balance. Ever played a game called "British Bulldog" in the scouts or cubs?? Even a weaselling little lad can defeat a whole room-full of burly and strong adults. The idea was not to actually tackle the lad but to stop him as quickly as possible.

eulero83 -> RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? (8/12/2013 6:10:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 I practice fencing, sabre to be precise, you start at 2m (7 feet) from your opponent the weapon is 70cm (13") long.... Dunno how you worked that out. My tape measure shows 70cm is roughly 27.5" - not 13". That aside, you are practicing fencing in ideal conditions. A clean, well-lit room. Everyone wearing the appropriate gear. A sporting sense of "fair play". The case we are discussing is completely different. It was dark. The perpetrator knows he is breaking the law. Even to the point that they must try to avoid arrest - they posted a lookout. The police arrived when he was doing the damage - got caught red-handed. He gave them a merry runaround because he really didn't want to be caught. He got cornered/surrounded and only had 2 options - 1) give up peacefully (which he chose not to do); 2) try and rush his only exit in the hopes he could out-dodge the cop blocking his way out. In the dark, he got a decent spurt of speed before anyone realised and saw what the fuck he was actually trying to do. The police needed to stop him quickly and effectively and with minimal fuss - hence the tazer. The outcome was a tragic accident which is still being investigated. So your analagy and comparison was very flawed and not relevant. As for who is more likely to lie about what happened?? In my mind, everything else being equal, the taggers (and this death) have a shitload more to lose than the cop doing his duty. The cops have no real sensible reason to lie but the other taggers really need to say it's police brutality in order for them all not to face a murder/manslaughter charge. Seems pretty straight-forward to me. No contest IMHO. my bad 70cm are like 28", anyhow I'd like to see more information becuse it's important also how they arrived to that situation, there are two different stories as someone pointd out and the cops tell is not comletely clear to me.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? (8/12/2013 6:31:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 my bad 70cm are like 28", anyhow I'd like to see more information becuse it's important also how they arrived to that situation, there are two different stories as someone pointd out and the cops tell is not comletely clear to me. I agree - there are always two sides to every story. We have the police report of the events - as they saw them and what was reported in the media. We also have a report from one of the taggers that the lad was subdued before being tazed. Given both of those scenarios, it just doesn't make any sense to tazer someone who is already subdued. But the fact that he died puts the rest of the gang at serious risk of severe legal repercussions. I'm not saying that cops don't lie because it has been shown that it does happen at times. However, my money is on the police record of events even if it's not 100% accurate. The reason being that I wouldn't trust a criminal in that situation to tell the accurate truth. Call me cynical if you like; I gave my reasoning in the earlier post.

Hillwilliam -> RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? (8/12/2013 6:56:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam I was simply pointing out that the witnesses have more to lose than the cops. The cops involved could be disciplined. The witnesses could be looking at a murder charge. Who has more to lose? Here's a quote: "The felony murder doctrine, explains Paul H. Robinson, professor of law at the University of Pennsylvania Law School, punishes as murder all deaths caused in the course of a felony—even if the killing is accidental—and applies murder liability not only to the person causing the death, but to all accomplices in the underlying felony. “That's a risk that a person who commits a crime with others undertakes; if one of their cohorts gets killed, then they're responsible.” I won't post the article because it involves juveniles. Evading arrest is a felony. Vandalism is a felony if the damage is over a certain fairly small amount. They were helping him do both, why else have a lookout if you don't intend to evade arrest. This is a well known law down there that has been on the books for decades so they have a lot to lose and they know it. honestly.. the mentality to elevate this to a murder charge is why I have no respect at all for "US justice".. there is absolutely no humanity or sanity in how it works.. its hitting a fly with a sledgehammer when a flyswatter will do the job.. to turn kids into criminals and throw them in jail for decades just cuz they did something minor like this is why you have so many people in jail that really shouldnt be.. Quite frankly, imo, their friend being dead is punishment enough.. It was a fucking accident!.. This country is so fucking sad and messed up.. I know, I know, ya gotta be "tough on crime".. [8\|] The law was passed when there were a LOT of home invasions in the 80's and some ended up fatal. Sometimes, a perp died and the only thing they could get the accomplices on were something like "Accessory to Breaking and entering" which is a slap on the wrist. I'm not saying that the lookouts WILL get a murder charge. I'm saying they could. It's just one more thing for some young wannabe criminal to think about before he goes out with illegal things on his mind. ETA. The statute was also passed so that "Getaway drivers" could also get more than a slap on the wrist when the crime they were involved in became fatal.

eulero83 -> RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? (8/12/2013 7:43:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 my bad 70cm are like 28", anyhow I'd like to see more information becuse it's important also how they arrived to that situation, there are two different stories as someone pointd out and the cops tell is not comletely clear to me. I agree - there are always two sides to every story. We have the police report of the events - as they saw them and what was reported in the media. We also have a report from one of the taggers that the lad was subdued before being tazed. Given both of those scenarios, it just doesn't make any sense to tazer someone who is already subdued. But the fact that he died puts the rest of the gang at serious risk of severe legal repercussions. I'm not saying that cops don't lie because it has been shown that it does happen at times. However, my money is on the police record of events even if it's not 100% accurate. The reason being that I wouldn't trust a criminal in that situation to tell the accurate truth. Call me cynical if you like; I gave my reasoning in the earlier post. the reason to lie for the officers is if the witness said the truth and they had the kid in custody when they decided to give him the lesson they promised and taze him, so they would be charged of manslaughter. The details in the friend statement match with it, the threats and the cheering, if true, would support a lot the gratiute violence, but it's not a material evidence itself must be supported by some facts. my concerns in the police could be all explained but are all dark point to investigate in my opinion: I don't know if it is standard police procedure to keep a certain distance than when he stops keep the distance and give orders and wat this distance is, or if it's more common that when he stops you go on and grab him, because just to think about real world physic it's impossible that 5 cops running at their best in a chase that made them jump over fences where keeping all the same speed, they had to arrive in some seconds distace and what did the kid do in that time just waited to be cornered by five instead dribling one? Than the officer I don't think was running with the taser he had to stop and take it from the belt than aim, it's a matter of few seconds but as hillwilliam said it's also enough time to be out of the tazer range when running, than before charging from running away he had to turn and it's quite strange he would have charged the one with what looked like a gun. So what I think is if the kid was running let say 5m/s (that's a common speed for a 1km run by a fit person) finding himself in a dead end he had to stop and turn the other side, if he did this suddenly with the cop at close distance (let say the faomuse 20 feet or 6 meters) there would be no time to stop, wait for the others to come and draw the taser, at that distance he would have just rushed over the kid because in the half second of reaction time he would have been at just 3meters with only 0.25s to stop before impact, so they were not at this close distance, for the reacting when the kid stopped and suddenly turned stopping drawing the taser and shouting 2 seconds is probably plausible so the distance had to be at least 10-15m, but in this case it's not plausible that all the 5 cops that I assume had different running skills could be in that time all toghether closing any way out and the kid could have dribled a single agent so this is all not compatible with a suddent action it means that the report to be consistent must involve for the kid to stop some seconds when finding himself in a in the dead end waiting for the other cops to arrive, looking at one agent drawing what could be a gun and decide to run in that precise direction, even if being a tagger means have low inteligence we are not talking about a wild animal. It's because of all this contraddiction that I see the tazing for retaliation after the boy surrended possible, some elements in the agents need a sudden action to be supported but some others contrat with a sudden action. So I can't be 100% positive on the police part of the story.

eulero83 -> RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? (8/12/2013 7:49:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Sometimes, a perp died and the only thing they could get the accomplices on were something like "Accessory to Breaking and entering" which is a slap on the wrist. Ok maybe a slap on the wrist, but that's the crime he committed...

tj444 -> RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? (8/12/2013 7:54:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam The law was passed when there were a LOT of home invasions in the 80's and some ended up fatal. Sometimes, a perp died and the only thing they could get the accomplices on were something like "Accessory to Breaking and entering" which is a slap on the wrist. I'm not saying that the lookouts WILL get a murder charge. I'm saying they could. It's just one more thing for some young wannabe criminal to think about before he goes out with illegal things on his mind. ETA. The statute was also passed so that "Getaway drivers" could also get more than a slap on the wrist when the crime they were involved in became fatal. oh sure, I understand there were certain "reasons" for this law (gee, just as there are certain reasons why there is a law making growing hemp illegal.. [8\|] ), that doesnt make it a good law and as with so many fricken laws, those laws are abused and perverted/twisted by those in charge of the Justice system.. The sleazy prosecutors will throw that charge (especially in states where they have the death penalty) in to scare/force the accused to agree to a plea deal. That practice of throwing dozens of charges at someone to get a plea deal is why so many innocent people get railroaded into agreeing (especially if they are a minority with no money to hire a good lawyer & that know they are screwed from the get go).. Again, for these reasons I have no respect for this "Justice" system.. You throw someone who has committed a minor offence, especially where they can be rehabilitated and become a productive law abiding citizen, the system that throws them in jail with hardened criminals just converts that person into a better criminal instead..

altoonamaster -> RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? (8/12/2013 8:01:34 AM)
he was breaking the law no matter what

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? (8/12/2013 8:33:25 AM)
You seem to be putting in an awful lot of storyline that just isn't known at this point. And what's more, you seem to be weaving a complete web of police brutality and an innocent kid as if it were a game of persuit and kill and that all cops lie as a matter of course and that all criminals always tell the truth. You also seem to be single-mindedly saying that it doesn't take more than one officer to apprehend one criminal and they didn't need to use a tazer. You come up with some really odd explanations/examples to back up your reasoning. Let me tell you that one little 13yo kid out-witted, out-dodged, and completely defeated more than a dozen fully-grown (and very fit) men in an enclosed space. Doesn't happen?? I saw it every week for years at our scout hut and at times, I was one of the winners at that game. I find your whole premise of a convoluted story where the kid was a complete innocent party rather than looking at what is known and been reported to date to be rather disturbing. All of your posts seem to want to think that this kid was doing nothing wrong and all the cops wanted to do was to kill him for the fun of it. Standard proceedure (almost universal anywhere in the world) is to abide by the laws. If you break them (as this kid was caught red-handed doing), you are still supposed to obey any instruction from the law enforcement officers. If you then decide to stick your fingers up at the law and authority, you pretty much deserve whatever punishment is metered out by the law enforcement officers in order to facilitate your apprehension and to face due judicial process. However you want to see it, seems to fly in the face of the facts. The dude was breaking the law. I think that's undisputed. He got caught (it's pretty irrelevant how or why or when) and a fatal accident happened as a result. The accident is being investigated. The other kids (not the cop) could face a murder charge as a result of his death. What makes you think this kid was in any way innocent?? It seems your life is somewhat skewed heavily against law enforcement and has clouded your judgement.

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