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Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/13/2013 1:07:32 AM

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North Carolina is set to be the state with the most restrictive Voting ID laws on the book. More strict than buying a gun in Chicago! The Governor signed into law a bill that basically reduces/removes voting liberties from its citizens all due to the boogie man known as 'Voter Fraud'. Of course, if any 'intelligent' and 'wise' conservatives in that state actually looked up the concept, they would find Republicans are as usual....LYING....to push tyranny down other people's throats. Glad I don't live in that bigoted, ignorant, and lame state!

An of course, this law will cost the taxpayers of NC quite a bundle of money in court costs before being torn down.

RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/13/2013 1:49:22 AM

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yes yes we certianly can't have NC doing what MOST states ALREADY DO!

More than three-fifths of states currently have some kind of Voter ID law, and even more have no same-day registration. Not all states allow in-person early voting.

nor can we all any of that DEMOCRACY or MAJORITY RULE stuff to go on there either!

While there is significant resistance to Voter ID laws on the left, polls generally show the American people support them by large margins. Recent North Carolina polls and a Washington Post poll last year showed nearly three-quarters support requiring voters to show photo ID.

YUPPPP can't have them hillbillies doing the WILL OF THE PEOPLE now can we?!?!?

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/13/2013 2:05:26 AM

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Well, dead people and citizens of other countries have rights, too

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/13/2013 4:08:42 AM

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Registering to vote requires proof of citizenship and proof of address. Most, All?, states send out a voter ID card that verifies that the voter is still at the same address.

Why is this system suddenly so ineffective? Why if you must present ID must the list of acceptable ID's be so restricted? Why do these new voter ID laws uniformly reject expired DL's and ID's, the sort many retired and disabled people have? Why do they also reject college ID's? Why make the only state issued ID available only at DL facilities? No state that has implemented one of these new restrictive voter ID laws has made any allowance for disabled or elderly citizens who cannot be accommodated at a DL facility.

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/13/2013 4:29:53 AM

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Registering to vote requires proof of citizenship and proof of address. Most, All?, states send out a voter ID card that verifies that the voter is still at the same address.

Why is this system suddenly so ineffective? Why if you must present ID must the list of acceptable ID's be so restricted? Why do these new voter ID laws uniformly reject expired DL's and ID's, the sort many retired and disabled people have? Why do they also reject college ID's? Why make the only state issued ID available only at DL facilities? No state that has implemented one of these new restrictive voter ID laws has made any allowance for disabled or elderly citizens who cannot be accommodated at a DL facility.

I'll agree that the disabled and elderly should be accommodated somehow but I can't give a pass to college ID's and the like. I spent too much time forging them myself to regard them as acceptable proof of citizenship.

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/13/2013 4:58:39 AM

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There is already a lawsuit filed. It will play out in the courts.

On a side note, PA just wrapped up their voter ID case the end of July.... The state has decided to put the law on hold for the november elections, even if the Judge declares the law constitutional.

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/13/2013 5:02:55 AM

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North Carolina is set to be the state with the most restrictive Voting ID laws on the book. More strict than buying a gun in Chicago!

Most liberals have no problem with Chicago's strict gun laws. Matter of fact, many would like them even stricter. Using that comparatively, one would have to wonder why NC voter laws should be any problem?

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/13/2013 5:06:47 AM

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I can answer that.

"Student IDs are not an acceptable form of identification."

So they now have to register to vote in NC even if they arent residents? Or do they go the route of absentee ballots?

"kills an annual state-sponsored voter registration drive"

"and lessens the amount of public reporting required for so-called dark money groups, also known as 501(c)(4)s."

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/13/2013 5:30:57 AM

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Other provisions in the new North Carolina law would prohibit paid voter registration drives, end straight-ticket voting

I don't care about voter registration drives but I'd love to see straight-ticket voting ended nationwide.

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/13/2013 5:41:41 AM

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Registering to vote requires proof of citizenship and proof of address. Most, All?, states send out a voter ID card that verifies that the voter is still at the same address.
Why is this system suddenly so ineffective? Why if you must present ID must the list of acceptable ID's be so restricted?

Fake ID's. Is that seriously that difficult to figure out?

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Why do these new voter ID laws uniformly reject expired DL's and ID's, the sort many retired and disabled people have?

I can agree with you to a point that these should also be accepted. However, if an expired DL/ID isn't shredded, it could be used by someone other than the person. And, the expired DL/ID may no longer show the correct address. Other than those issues, I see no reason for them to not be acceptable.

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Why do they also reject college ID's?

Perhaps because they are not Gov't. issued? Requiring them to be Gov't. issued at least maintains a hint of legitimacy.

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Why make the only state issued ID available only at DL facilities? No state that has implemented one of these new restrictive voter ID laws has made any allowance for disabled or elderly citizens who cannot be accommodated at a DL facility.

Disabled people can't go to a DL facility? Isn't that counter to ADA requirements? Perhaps that's the real issue regarding the disabled. How are the non-disabled elderly unable to navigate a DL facility?

How do you sign up for SSI without an ID or DL? How do you cash your SSI checks without same? Of course, I am assuming the disabled and elderly are on SSI, but that is what it is there for, right?

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/13/2013 5:56:15 AM

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How do you sign up for SSI without an ID or DL?

Many people have been on it so long the ID's were not required when they signed up.

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How do you cash your SSI checks without same?

Most are direct deposit now days..... and, again, so many were on it before ID's became a requirement as we know it, along with the bank accounts.

Many people just assume that someone has to have an ID.

We may need to see certain documents in order to pay benefits. If you apply online, a list of documents we need to see will appear at the end of the application, along with instructions on where to submit them. The documents we may ask for are:

your original birth certificate or other proof of birth [more info] (You may also submit a copy of your birth certificate certified by the issuing agency);
proof of U.S. citizenship or lawful alien status if you were not born in the United States [more info];
a copy of your U.S. military service paper(s) (e.g., DD-214 - Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty) if you had military service before 1968; [more info]; and
a copy of your W-2 form(s) [more info] and/or self-employment tax return [more info] for last year.

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/online/ssa-1.html#a0=2

I dont see a listing for an ID there.

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/13/2013 6:03:35 AM

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How do you sign up for SSI without an ID or DL? How do you cash your SSI checks without same? Of course, I am assuming the disabled and elderly are on SSI, but that is what it is there for, right?

Some elderly rural folks don't drive much if any and a DL facility is an hour away.

Why should they have a choice between taking a half day of theirs and their caregiver's time along with gas and wear and tear on their car so as not have a right they have enjoyed for decades stripped from them? Oh yeah. Some nonexistent boogeyman.

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/13/2013 6:17:39 AM

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How do you sign up for SSI without an ID or DL? How do you cash your SSI checks without same? Of course, I am assuming the disabled and elderly are on SSI, but that is what it is there for, right?

Some elderly rural folks don't drive much if any and a DL facility is an hour away.

If they drive at all, they should already have their DL's.

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Why should they have a choice between taking a half day of theirs and their caregiver's time along with gas and wear and tear on their car so as not have a right they have enjoyed for decades stripped from them? Oh yeah. Some nonexistent boogeyman.

Only US Citizens have a right to vote in US elections. Do you agree or disagree with that statement? How do we make sure that only US Citizens vote or that the votes of US Citizens are the only ones that are counted?

Is it currently a huge problem? No. Is it currently a moderate problem? No. Is it currently a small problem? No. Could it be? Sure.

The difficulties in making sure everyone who votes is actually a Citizen should be undertaken, imo. There should be drives to help the elderly and the disabled get their ID's. I'd even be so bold as to think that remote/mobile DMV stations could be used to help reach rural, elderly and/or disabled folk. All the necessary documentation could be gathered and copied (digitally, no less) and an ID could be created on the spot, or it could be mailed to the person (the ID would still be created at the DL facility to maintain some authenticity). Maybe this could be the next Rock the Vote drive?

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/13/2013 6:22:02 AM

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How do you sign up for SSI without an ID or DL?

Many people have been on it so long the ID's were not required when they signed up.

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How do you cash your SSI checks without same?

Most are direct deposit now days..... and, again, so many were on it before ID's became a requirement as we know it, along with the bank accounts.
Many people just assume that someone has to have an ID.
We may need to see certain documents in order to pay benefits. If you apply online, a list of documents we need to see will appear at the end of the application, along with instructions on where to submit them. The documents we may ask for are:
your original birth certificate or other proof of birth [more info] (You may also submit a copy of your birth certificate certified by the issuing agency);
proof of U.S. citizenship or lawful alien status if you were not born in the United States [more info];
a copy of your U.S. military service paper(s) (e.g., DD-214 - Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty) if you had military service before 1968; [more info]; and
a copy of your W-2 form(s) [more info] and/or self-employment tax return [more info] for last year.
http://www.socialsecurity.gov/online/ssa-1.html#a0=2
I dont see a listing for an ID there.

I hadn't considered the time issue. SSI has always been since I've been alive. Bad assumption on my part. Thanks for the link/info.

Now, if you have all those documents to sign up for SSI, it will be easy to get an ID.

A W-2 does have Gov't issued ID requirements, doesn't it? If you have a W-2, you'll have some sort of Gov't issued ID.

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/13/2013 6:26:31 AM

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Not necessarily.... a social security card... other forms are accepted in place of an "official ID".

The problem is that we still have many who were never issued a birth certificate. Now, to gain one, it can take months of work, multiple trips, lots of money just to get the information to file for a free ID card.

I would prefer to see a grandfathering in of those individuals. People our age and younger have no excuse for no ID. But the sticking point is the older generation. Pull them out of the debate and the arguments become reduced greatly.

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/13/2013 6:39:43 AM

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More strict than buying a gun in Chicago!

Republicans are as usual....LYING

Somebody's lying alright.

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/13/2013 7:02:47 AM

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A friend of mine, who is a democrat, just moved to North Carolina last month. I wonder how he feels about it now. Well, he's white and he's not a college student, so he shouldn't have too much problem when he signs up.

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/13/2013 7:22:52 AM

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Why do they also reject college ID's?

Perhaps because they are not Gov't. issued? Requiring them to be Gov't. issued at least maintains a hint of legitimacy.

Public colleges and universities don't issue government issued ID's? Who do you think runs those places?

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Why make the only state issued ID available only at DL facilities? No state that has implemented one of these new restrictive voter ID laws has made any allowance for disabled or elderly citizens who cannot be accommodated at a DL facility.

Disabled people can't go to a DL facility? Isn't that counter to ADA requirements? Perhaps that's the real issue regarding the disabled. How are the non-disabled elderly unable to navigate a DL facility?

Some people cannot stand up for hours, some are blind, some need to be on a ventilator etc.

In short there are many health issues that would preclude having a DL that does not remove a person's right to vote.

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/13/2013 7:44:19 AM

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My perspective on this is that we know for an absolute fact that both parties rig elections. They do so right out in the open and plain light of day. We call that process gerrymandering and it is apparently, entirely acceptable to the american public. It's hard for me to worry about much smaller instances of election rigging.

Do I think there is some fear on the part of the currently losing party that the winning party was cheating? Yes.
Do I think that fear is probably warranted? Yes, they both cheat.
Do I also think they'll gladly skew things against <insert opposite party minority here) That goes without saying.

Is any of this news? If we wanted clean elections we'd have them. We don't.

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/13/2013 7:48:00 AM

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I agree, Jeff. I think the fear of doubt is a strong motivator for both parties... if there is enough fear, people will get out to vote.

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