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names and capital letters?? - 4/6/2004 10:51:18 PM   
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i always was taught if You where a Domme or Domm Your name should start with a capital letter i was told it showed Athourity

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RE: names and capital letters?? - 4/6/2004 11:03:45 PM   
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RE: names and capital letters?? - 4/7/2004 9:15:08 AM   
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RE: names and capital letters?? - 4/7/2004 10:41:11 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: knees2you

i always was taught if You where a Domme or Domm Your name should start with a capital letter i was told it showed Athourity

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Of course my opinion on this topic will not be the popular one. However, when I see people using capital letters and lowercase letters, I think to myself they know very little about the lifestyle. Sure, I feel if someone has earned your respect his or her name should be capitalized. Same way as if they haven’t. You couldn’t pay me enough to capitalize someone’s name that hasn’t earned the respect.
As for submissives lowering their letters. That’s asinine. Are we supposed to assume we are a lower breed of individual? The only place I know that teaches that type of behavior is the "fantasy" books that are gor related.
How many Dominants out there are strong enough to hand over their whole life..Soul to another? Not many. It takes a strong person to do that.
How many Dominants out there will be whipped or caned just to suit another? It takes a strong person to do that once again.
As a submissive we make many sacrifices for our Dominants. Losing ourselves is not one of them. I don't know any Dom who wants us to lose ourselves. I am quite sure they are out there but I don't consider them Dominant.

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RE: names and capital letters?? - 4/7/2004 1:37:16 PM   
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sub4hire, ummm yes we are lower, maybe not in intelligence, but in other forms that's why were subbies. if you loved a Domm or Domme, and they wanted capital letters for there name and small for You are you going to say NO~~ sub4hire i do respect your words though

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RE: names and capital letters?? - 4/7/2004 1:57:08 PM   
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sure enough, though it is a trivial matter.

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RE: names and capital letters?? - 4/7/2004 2:07:13 PM   
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sub4hire, ummm yes we are lower, maybe not in intelligence, but in other forms that's why were subbies. if you loved a Domm or Domme, and they wanted capital letters for there name and small for You are you going to say NO~~ sub4hire i do respect your words though

sincerely, knees2You



Actually yes, I would refuse. Nobody is going to rid me of my self-esteem. That's the problem with people in general. It isn’t a lifestyle trait it’s a human one. If someone doesn’t have control of himself or herself they put others down trying to make them feel as bad as they do.
It is a rare breed of person to distinguish the difference.
I have to ask you though, how do you think we are lower? I happen to love my Dominant. Yes, I capitalize his name. Why? Because he has earned the respect required. That doesn’t mean everyone in the world who wakes up, finds a chat room and declares, "hey this fetish is for me” I’m going to respect.
Just as if my Dominant were posting here he would capitalize my name. It has to do with respect not the fact some nobody ordered you to do it.
We all start out as nobodies and work our way to being some bodies.

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RE: names and capital letters?? - 4/7/2004 2:30:40 PM   
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I think that knees means lower because he is always on his knees. That would make him lower usually. Also, though I don't agree with everything knees may say, I enjoy his use of emoticons in his messages.

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RE: names and capital letters?? - 4/7/2004 3:10:27 PM   
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I prefer that submissives use capital letters where appropriate. You know strange places like the beginning of sentences, when using a proper noun such as I. I'm a bit odd though :)

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RE: names and capital letters?? - 4/7/2004 3:37:04 PM   
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Estrict, i like You responses, it's what keeps me coming back~ but it was what i was taught~

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RE: names and capital letters?? - 4/7/2004 4:23:28 PM   
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i always was taught if You where a Domme or Domm Your name should start with a capital letter i was told it showed Athourity


Balderdash. Capitalizing one's name shows merely that it is a proper noun- that is, that it is a name.

Showing authority is a matter of taking responsibility for the direction and outcome of events, demonsrating consistancy and control over one's self, and others.

'Lowercasing' ones own name may serve to indicate ones preovoclivities (actual or desired) (much as 'flagging' a.k.a 'the hanky code'), but lowercasing the name of others is poor grammar, and worse manners.

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RE: names and capital letters?? - 4/7/2004 4:35:15 PM   
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i always was taught if You where a Domme or Domm Your name should start with a capital letter i was told it showed Athourity

If you believe what you are taught, you will always be correct with your teacher.

In 1492, people were taught the world was flat, and Columbus proved otherwise.

In essence your training is relative to your teacher, or an environment involving your teacher. When this message board first started, the word was put out that it would be a relaxed protocol informal environment with welcome participation from all.

Not all dominants signed up with "formal" titles, or labels. That specific topic has been addressed in many posts here already, with the consensus being that if I am not your master, do not address me as Master. Also, it has been pointd out several times that a dominant is not entitled to respect or trust simply by virtue of a self-imposed title... both must be earned. Your comments seem to regard respect, therefore use of formal titles in an "informal" setting seems to contradict the consensus (respect is earned), especially if the person insisting on using formal titles is a stranger to most/all others present.

It has come to pass that some passer's by have mistaken an poster's identity by using your taught protocol in this "informal" environment... *ASSuming a person's identity and status simply by their nick's lettering in this "informal" message board environment. Who taught them to *ASSume?

There has also been commentary here inferring that SAM's can be, and are encouraged to be, disrespectful to everyone but their own dominant. Using that logic, SAM's would envision every nick in lowercase, except their own dominant's nick.

Basically the setting usually defines the formalities, and this message board is intended as an "informal" setting, correct?

By the way knees, I'm curious why you spell Dom as Domm in all your posts?

HoPe tHaT hElPs, dId i UsE Em' aLl?

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RE: names and capital letters?? - 4/7/2004 5:16:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SarcasticBitch

I prefer that submissives use capital letters where appropriate. You know strange places like the beginning of sentences, when using a proper noun such as I. I'm a bit odd though :)

Trinity



<grin> Well, I won't argue whether or not you are odd...not enough information to go on yet!

I will say that spelling and at least an attempt at grammar is my preference, as well. I think there are enough challenges in learning to write english well without adding additional rules. It seems to me that a dominant who is interested in cultivating skills that a submissive could benefit from would prefer to have them focus on something that will garner results throughout their life, rather than just in a very narrow niche venue.

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RE: names and capital letters?? - 4/7/2004 5:20:37 PM   
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HoPe tHaT hElPs, dId i UsE Em' aLl?




BAHAHAHAHA!

Thanks...I needed that.

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RE: names and capital letters?? - 4/7/2004 5:34:20 PM   
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i always was taught if You where a Domme or Domm Your name should start with a capital letter i was told it showed Athourity



You were lied to. :)

It shows nothing other than lack of respect for the rules of good grammar. If it works for you, great. But please don't expect anyone else to conform to your personal protocols. We didn't sign on for that, nor did we agree to be a part of it.

Seriously, I can't imagine ever being involved with someone who is so lacking in self-esteem that s/he has to get it by having all pronouns, etc referring to him/her capitalized.

How do those of us who enjoy both sides of things write our names? Should I be S/sherri? Feh. My birth certificate says Sherri, and Sherri is who I am. Not sherri. Not S/herri. It says nothing about my orientation at all.

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RE: names and capital letters?? - 4/7/2004 6:50:01 PM   
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sherri me thinks someone needs a little spanking. but then life is funny that way~

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RE: names and capital letters?? - 4/7/2004 8:50:02 PM   
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Well ... that little topic is what earned me a few curses for being a mouthy opinionated subbissive back when I was focusing on exploring only that side of my duality.

I seemed to run across every freaking hooty pootooty struffed shirt dominants that would tell me I was a horrible little subbie because I flat out refused to call someone mistress or master, sir, ma'am, madame, etc when they demanded it, as well as completely dismissed the whole I must not cap my name and only cap the dominants to show my respect, and blah blah blah.

And yanno, not ONE of them EVER was able to drudge up an answer to my one simple little question in the face of being told that I was disrespectful because I did not follow the *capping* rule and that the ONLY way a submissive could possibly show ANY respect to the dominants in that space was to cap their names. It would tend to go something like this, lol (waaaaaaay back when I was happy to waste my time with idiots, LOL)

"You are sitting there telling me that unless I cap your name I can not resopect you for if I respected you then I would show this by capping your name ... correct?

"So then I surmise what you are in effect are telling me is that capping equates respect? I see.... Hm. "

"Sooo if your submissive or a submissive around you doesn't use that capped letter, and you see it as disrespectful - do you feel they need to be punished?" (and the answer was usually "yes, they deserve punishment." And when asked how they'd rate the punishment that neglecting to cap the letter would earn the submissive in their eyes, mild to severe - they tended to almost always say extreme or severe.)

"I see, so not capping your name, just trying to clarify this for myself you see, equates disrespect which then deserves severe punishment?"

To which they usually as a group would chime in yes - strange how they seem to usually travel and camp in packs lol. Now mind you, in my experience, it is almost *always* a "hardcore" dominant/submissive that are listing themselves as 24/7 old guard, no cyber - type of people telling me how much I'm *not* a submissive, so it was with great pleasure I would spring *the question* on them after giving them all that rope ...

"So let me see if I have what you are telling me straight, cuz Im just trying to learn here ... you are a 24/7 old guard r/t only person that expects every single submissive you ever meet to lowercase their name and uppercase ALL dominants names at ALL times or it equates complete and total intentional disrepect which would then merit instant and severe punishment for intentional insuborindation, yes?"

"Ahh I see. Um so tell me, how do you determine when a submissive says master or mistress or sir or maam or their names with a capped letter or a lowercase in real life? Is there some special pronouncation that allows you to determine if they are speaking with a capped letter or lowercase letter in the appropriate place?"

"No? Ah I see, so when a submissive addresses you in real life, you have NO way of determining if they are speaking your name or title with uppercase letters?"

"I didn't think so. Well, um, then, just how in the world can you possibly immediately punish them severely if they are actually speaking your name or title with lowercase letters? Arent they then getting away completely with their deliberate and intentional insubordination?"

"No? Well however could you possibly determine they are being respectful or showing respect in REAAAL LIFE - if you can't tell when they are speaking a title or name with the appropriate and *required at ALL times* lowercased or uppercased letters?

"Oh, their *conduct*? Their behavior? Interesting. So why can't simple behavior or conduct show respect online? Why is it reduced to mere letters if you are real life only, can't you determine if someone is addressing you with respect by the rest of their words online like you do in real life where you can't *see* uppercased or lowercased letters?"

That's usually when I'd get banned from the channel or room for being disrespectful. LOL.

Yanno respect is shown in how you conduct yourself over the passage of time, and in NO other way. Any symbol of respect that is asked or demanded - is exactly that - just a symbol. It doesn't mean you really do respect them at all. I've seen submissives say the required words in the required spelling and be completely disrespectful in context while being able to literally claim they had written their words in a respectful manner - when in fact it was so far from respectful it was almost funny. Symbols mean *nothing* unless the intent is there, and if the intent is there, symbols aren't really needed at *all*.

The trappings aren't what I'm interested in, what I am interested in is the underlying motivation, intent, and thought. I don't need a pretty wrapping to appreciate a birthday gift given to me anymore than I need words to be wrapped in a certain way to determine if they respect me. Cuz if they respect me, that WILL shine through.

I'm kinda of the opinion that if you don't do it in real life, or it isn't required then you don't do it or need it online. So yanno that also applies to the act of trolling... if you wouldn't walk into a full room of complete strangers in real life and holler at the top of your lungs: MALE 34 SEEKING CBT HUMILIATION AND DIRTY TALK IF YOU ARE INTERESTED COME TALK TO ME AND WE'LL HAVE A HOT NIGHT - then why would you do that online? Because the same reaction you would expect from a real life packed room in response to that action is the SAME EXACT reaction you will get from a packed cyber room.

lol

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RE: names and capital letters?? - 4/7/2004 9:13:18 PM   
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There shouldn't be any question about this -- if you are serving then you do as you have been trained.

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RE: names and capital letters?? - 4/7/2004 9:33:12 PM   
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"So let me see if I have what you are telling me straight, cuz Im just trying to learn here ... you are a 24/7 old guard r/t only person that expects every single submissive you ever meet to lowercase their name and uppercase ALL dominants names at ALL times or it equates complete and total intentional disrepect which would then merit instant and severe punishment for intentional insuborindation, yes?"

"Ahh I see. Um so tell me, how do you determine when a submissive says master or mistress or sir or maam or their names with a capped letter or a lowercase in real life? Is there some special pronouncation that allows you to determine if they are speaking with a capped letter or lowercase letter in the appropriate place?"

"No? Ah I see, so when a submissive addresses you in real life, you have NO way of determining if they are speaking your name or title with uppercase letters?"

"I didn't think so. Well, um, then, just how in the world can you possibly immediately punish them severely if they are actually speaking your name or title with lowercase letters? Arent they then getting away completely with their deliberate and intentional insubordination?"

"No? Well however could you possibly determine they are being respectful or showing respect in REAAAL LIFE - if you can't tell when they are speaking a title or name with the appropriate and *required at ALL times* lowercased or uppercased letters?

"Oh, their *conduct*? Their behavior? Interesting. So why can't simple behavior or conduct show respect online? Why is it reduced to mere letters if you are real life only, can't you determine if someone is addressing you with respect by the rest of their words online like you do in real life where you can't *see* uppercased or lowercased letters?"

That's usually when I'd get banned from the channel or room for being disrespectful. LOL.

Yanno respect is shown in how you conduct yourself over the passage of time, and in NO other way. Any symbol of respect that is asked or demanded - is exactly that - just a symbol. It doesn't mean you really do respect them at all. I've seen submissives say the required words in the required spelling and be completely disrespectful in context while being able to literally claim they had written their words in a respectful manner - when in fact it was so far from respectful it was almost funny. Symbols mean *nothing* unless the intent is there, and if the intent is there, symbols aren't really needed at *all*.




~ShadeDiva


We conduct ourselves in the same way in chat rooms. I don't frequent them. I think I did the collar me one twice. Idiots and more idiots. It just isn't worth the frustration if you ask me. Why should I waste my time on people not willing to learn or listen? Close minded people.

Anyway, I just had to comment on your comments. On the 24/7 old guard rt only person. Well, my trouble would start there. I would automatically come out and say. So you mean to tell me you are a 60ish gay man? Since those are the only old guard people left on the planet. You are not female if you are old guard. You are not heterosexual if you are old guard. So, what's it to you if I dis-respect you because I'm but a mere heterosexual female?

I would'nt go into the whole scenerio you did. I would be banned. To me people who ban are not Dominants in the first place. How are my questions making them so uncomfortable? Are they not willing to listen or teach people? If not, then they are not Dominant. If they cannot control their anger, how are they ever going to control it in real life? If they are so weak they have to block me. Well that is showing they don't have the courage to Dominate someone like me anyway. They never could.


The fact is I respect several people here on the message boards already. Do they know it yet? Probably not, some do. We have'nt even met in person. Would they get my respect, yes they would.

The bottom line here is this is a topic that will be debated long after we are dead and gone. Thus is life.

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RE: names and capital letters?? - 4/8/2004 12:32:05 AM   
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loved this post!
watches the water trinkle down Proticals of a Lifestyle that
defines the Alternates that We practice here online just as there are objects that define our kink and position in real life. Keep it up and We
will all soon be Vanillas again and no one will have a clue You are even sum what different from the Vanilla Croud...... Ohhh yes isent that what part timsie subbie type folks, Tops and bottoms want any how, not to have their Kinks and differing Poisitions with in the Lifestyle noticed in the Vanilla world.....lets all try and look as * NORMAL as We can now! LOL!





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