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FatDomDaddy -> Obama Willing to Pursue Solo Syria Strikes (8/29/2013 4:20:15 PM)
Kinda like.... President Bush. Interesting.... http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/30/us/politics/obama-syria.html?hp&_r=0

DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Obama Willing to Pursue Solo Syria Strikes (8/29/2013 4:32:13 PM)
From the reports I've seen on the mainstream media, he has been considering whether to take such an action, and if so how, where, when, and with who's blessing. It now seems he is backing away from it due to the Brits and the lukewarm reaction of congress. That hardly sounds like Cowboy Diplomacy, does it? [sm=doh.gif]

Politesub53 -> RE: Obama Willing to Pursue Solo Syria Strikes (8/29/2013 4:52:15 PM)
"kinda like Bush"....... Can I laugh yet ? Get back to me when Obama lies about WMD`s

Yachtie -> RE: Obama Willing to Pursue Solo Syria Strikes (8/29/2013 5:22:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 "kinda like Bush"....... Can I laugh yet ? Get back to me when Obama lies about WMD`s Only WMDs? Really? [8\|]

Politesub53 -> RE: Obama Willing to Pursue Solo Syria Strikes (8/29/2013 5:28:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 "kinda like Bush"....... Can I laugh yet ? Get back to me when Obama lies about WMD`s Only WMDs? Really? [8\|] Really......... Do I have to pont out what a chemical weapon is, or who has them, and who didnt have them, or everything else you seem to be overlooking ?

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Obama Willing to Pursue Solo Syria Strikes (8/29/2013 6:34:56 PM)
Well maybe you can start by telling us where Asswad got his?

BitYakin -> RE: Obama Willing to Pursue Solo Syria Strikes (8/29/2013 6:39:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 "kinda like Bush"....... Can I laugh yet ? Get back to me when Obama lies about WMD`s I have expressed this many times in other places, so I might as well say it here too claiming that bush LIED about WMD's is akin to claiming that everyone who beleives something is true and turns out to be wrong is a LIAR sorry NOO, that makes that person MISTAKEN, AKA WRONG, many sources INCLUDING bill clinton flatly stated that saddam absolutley DID have WMD's and his refusal to allow UN inspectors to look for them added credibility to that claim. its OK if you want to claim when someone is WRONG that makes them a LIAR, just be sure not to be offended when you are WRONG about something and people call you a LIAR TOO! MAYBE bush did lie about it, maybe he truely BELEIVED it to be true, I am not a mind reader, personally I refuse to LABEL someone a LIAR, because they were WRONG!

dcnovice -> RE: Obama Willing to Pursue Solo Syria Strikes (8/29/2013 6:41:54 PM)
quote: Obama Willing to Pursue Solo Syria Strikes So, FDD, do you consider that a good or bad idea?

TheHeretic -> RE: Obama Willing to Pursue Solo Syria Strikes (8/29/2013 6:50:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 "kinda like Bush"....... Can I laugh yet ? Get back to me when Obama lies about WMD`s I'll laugh right along with you, Polite. Bush had the Dems (and the Brits too, for that matter) dancing to his fiddle, and giving him all he wanted. President Obama is completely incompetent to accomplish anything like that. As for the WMD's, you are aware that the use of chemical weapons falls square into that category, that this administration has repeatedly demonstrated they are quite ok with lying to the public, and WMD will be his only justification, so be careful what you wish for.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Obama Willing to Pursue Solo Syria Strikes (8/29/2013 6:51:33 PM)
I think the United States really has no horse in this race and would be best served sitting it out or at best beefing up Israel's defenses. However,, should the President call a joint session of Congress and asked them to declare war, and should Congress vote to do so, I would firmily support the President and the war effort.

dcnovice -> RE: Obama Willing to Pursue Solo Syria Strikes (8/29/2013 7:05:52 PM)
quote: should the President call a joint session of Congress and asked them to declare war, and should Congress vote to do so, I would firmily support the President and the war effort. I would like to see us return to the practice of declaring war, which we haven't done since 1945, rather than sidling into it, which we've done far too often since then. One of my major misgivings about Iraq, in fact, was that our track record with undeclared wars is not encouraging.

TheHeretic -> RE: Obama Willing to Pursue Solo Syria Strikes (8/29/2013 7:48:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice I would like to see us return to the practice of declaring war, which we haven't done since 1945, rather than sidling into it, which we've done far too often since then. One of my major misgivings about Iraq, in fact, was that our track record with undeclared wars is not encouraging. Funny thing, but it's the authorizations to use force that seem to get us into trouble, DC, while the quick hits from the CIC seem to go better. Vietnam Afghanistan Iraq War I Iraq War II vs. Desert One Grenada Libya raid Panama Bin Laden raid The first group went through an airing before the before the public (no 9/11 pun intended), Congress gave some form of official okely-dokely, and off we went. The second group were launched quietly on Presidential authority, and presented to us as done deals, with the right people in Congress notified. Neither has a perfect track record (and I'm sure I've left a few out), but there is an obvious difference. In the more recent campaign in Libya, we got something new. The issue was public, and then deliberately acted on without the Congress. We seem to be on the same path towards Syria. I find that troubling, and suspect a lot of others will too, as soon as they don't like the guy using the precedent set by the current administration.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Obama Willing to Pursue Solo Syria Strikes (8/29/2013 7:55:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: should the President call a joint session of Congress and asked them to declare war, and should Congress vote to do so, I would firmily support the President and the war effort. I would like to see us return to the practice of declaring war, which we haven't done since 1945, rather than sidling into it, which we've done far too often since then. One of my major misgivings about Iraq, in fact, was that our track record with undeclared wars is not encouraging. I would rather see us start the practice of staying out of war/military action. But, I do agree, that if we are going to war or start military action, I'd like for us to start declaring war.

dcnovice -> RE: Obama Willing to Pursue Solo Syria Strikes (8/29/2013 8:29:07 PM)
quote: it's the authorizations to use force that seem to get us into trouble, DC, while the quick hits from a the CIC seem to go better. It is the authorizations themselves that land us in trouble, or the fact that they're associated with much longer and more complex operations? What would you see as a "quick hit" for Syria?

Marini -> RE: Obama Willing to Pursue Solo Syria Strikes (8/29/2013 9:07:59 PM)
I am not advocating war, but the fact that so many are quite happy to "stay out of it" as IF they could not or would not be affected irritates me. The USA can't save the entire world from evil. If other countries don't want to get involved, then we might as well sit back and wait also. We sure as hell should not be going in alone. Last I checked Europe is geographically closer to the ME than we are. If the Europeans are not "worried" let's wait a spell also. To hell with that "solo" crap.

JeffBC -> RE: Obama Willing to Pursue Solo Syria Strikes (8/29/2013 9:13:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin claiming that bush LIED about WMD's is akin to claiming that everyone who beleives something is true and turns out to be wrong is a LIAR You'd be right were it not for the process that led up to his mistaken belief. Dude, he canned everyone who disagreed with him and formed cherry picked panels to write the recommendations he wanted to hear. That's not a mistake. And you know what? People who make mistakes that cost that much money and that many lives aren't exactly going to be my hero anyway. 300,000 dead is a pretty serious mistake, don't you think? If nothing else that makes him a fuck-up of monstrous proportions.

TheHeretic -> RE: Obama Willing to Pursue Solo Syria Strikes (8/29/2013 9:19:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice What would you see as a "quick hit" for Syria? Something it is far too late for, DC. The window has closed IF, and I'm stressing the "IF," a US military reprisal is demanded by the Syria's action, then it should have come without giving them plenty of time to disperse, and been immediately explained and justified in a Presidential address, with a clear definition of the doctrine it followed or established. With the element of surprise, we'd have had a long list of potential targets to both sting Assad militarily, and speak to him personally.

Esinn -> RE: Obama Willing to Pursue Solo Syria Strikes (8/29/2013 9:23:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin I have expressed this many times in other places, so I might as well say it here too claiming that bush LIED about WMD's is akin to claiming that everyone who beleives something is true and turns out to be wrong is a LIAR sorry NOO, that makes that person MISTAKEN, AKA WRONG, many sources INCLUDING bill clinton flatly stated that saddam absolutley DID have WMD's and his refusal to allow UN inspectors to look for them added credibility to that claim. its OK if you want to claim when someone is WRONG that makes them a LIAR, just be sure not to be offended when you are WRONG about something and people call you a LIAR TOO! MAYBE bush did lie about it, maybe he truely BELEIVED it to be true, I am not a mind reader, personally I refuse to LABEL someone a LIAR, because they were WRONG! As pointed out, you are correct. However, people are only mentioning Bush's name because he was president at that time. To think the excuse of fear to justify unconstitutional war started with Bush, is childish. To believe it will end with Obama is foolish. This is not a presidential game (strategy/move). It is a political game. Player 1 vs Player 2. Prisoners dilemma (Game theory) - ya you know. To believe our ruling class is the only one who does this. Is equally ill informed. All that said.... Since you have said things in other places and said it here. I will mention again. As of this moment and all week. There are no serious movements from the 5th fleet, in KSA, Qatar/Doha to remotely suggest we are planning naval or air strikes. This is not a quick task. I still say, it is not very likely we will bomb Syria for peace/humanitarian reasons in the next few weeks. I guess we shall see, exciting times we live in.

Marini -> RE: Obama Willing to Pursue Solo Syria Strikes (8/29/2013 9:24:32 PM)
quote: With the element of surprise, we'd have had a long list of potential targets to both sting Assad militarily, and speak to him personally. Hiya Rich. Last I heard tonight Assad and his family supposedly fled the country, and could be hiding out in Iran. He and whoever is with him, could be almost anywhere by now.

TheHeretic -> RE: Obama Willing to Pursue Solo Syria Strikes (8/29/2013 9:33:46 PM)
Hey, Mari! I hadn't heard that, but I doubt he's actually left the country. Living in a deep luxury hole, to be sure, but if he wasn't determined to stay, we would never have gotten near this set of circumstances.

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