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RE: is bdsm good for someone with depression - 9/7/2013 7:57:12 AM

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Oh yeah, and on the topic of anti-depressants, well if your fantasizing about death, they could be a good idea. As a short term solution for such serious circumstances they can be ideal.

They can actually increase depression intially however (first few weeks), and also when used long term (longer than 6 months). If you consider going on anti-depressants, I would do so, personally, short or medium term, via a knowledgable therapist who can monitor your progress, unless you have people around you, who care for you, who can keep an eye on you.

Just my opinion on that, but please orginal poster, seek some kind of help, reach out to someone who can help. If there is a wise and caring family member, or a similar freind, who will truely support you, thats a start. You'll probably want to see a therapist or counciller too. And you might consider short term medications, to get you through the hard parts (that part is up to you).

Whatever you do, try and hold onto hope. You can get through depression, deep dark depression, others have. You can get through lots of things, despite how insanely hard the are at the time. Be strong, it will get better.

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RE: is bdsm good for someone with depression - 9/7/2013 8:08:37 AM

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RE: is bdsm good for someone with depression - 9/7/2013 4:27:32 PM

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Well, I will say this about the lorazapam I'm on. My running joke for today is, "Wow! Changing a lightbulb has become as easy as.... uh... changing a lightbulb!"

Yup, changing the lightbulbs in our overhead kitchen lights was a task that was stopping me previously. Don't you just love depression? Granted, I have some sort of rebound to look forward to at the end of 30 days but I expect by then the actual underlying stressors will be under complete control in my case. I don't have any sort of long-term chemical imbalance. I just got in over my head with life but I've been digging out aggressively and being able to sleep at night has greatly accelerated the rate of digging.

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RE: is bdsm good for someone with depression - 9/7/2013 7:57:24 PM

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So when you take a pill... particularly any of these newer mental health pills, you're basically consuming some unknown poison with massively varied side effects.

I will take those side effects any day of the year over sitting in a deep, dark hole with no way out except to kill yourself.

ETA: And that's the difference Jeff. Yours was caused by something...something you were having problems with in your life. For those of us who suffer with chronic depression there is no issue. There is nothing wrong with our lives. I can't tell you how many times I have people say to me.."what do you have to be depressed about? Your bills are paid, you have a wonderful man and daughter and job. Your life is great". Yeah, it has nothing at all to do with that! There is no reason. It's a health issue with my body...not a depressive episode. Without the drugs I'm taking now I definitely would have killed myself a long time ago. I've tried to go off of them a couple of times in the past and guess what? That suicidal feeling was back almost instantly. I'm older now and noway I would stop taking them now. Even with me taking them, I still get the suicidal feeling from time to time but I can now tell when it's coming on and talk to my doctor or someone else who can help me. Before I was not able to recognize it because I was not on the meds and was to fucked up to recognize anything.

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RE: is bdsm good for someone with depression - 9/7/2013 10:41:03 PM

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So when you take a pill... particularly any of these newer mental health pills, you're basically consuming some unknown poison with massively varied side effects.

I will take those side effects any day of the year over sitting in a deep, dark hole with no way out except to kill yourself.

Right, exactly. All medications that I'm familiar with (prescription or otherwise) can have side effects and some degree of toxicity. The real question isn't "does the drug have some side effect" - it's "is the benefit of the drug worth it"?

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RE: is bdsm good for someone with depression - 9/8/2013 8:54:26 AM

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ETA: And that's the difference Jeff. Yours was caused by something...something you were having problems with in your life.

I understand that and I'm deeply happy that mine is based in reality rather than a chemical malfunction that is ongoing. And yes, if I did have such a problem I'd do what I needed to. That wouldn't change my opinion about big pharma, their buddies the FDA, and the cocktails of chemicals they put out for big profit. It'd just mean I was fucked.

I just don't think they have a single shred of a clue what's going on inside the brain... not at the levels they are trying to mess with it anyway. Hence my "chimps flinging poo at a wall" analogy. But hey, if dying is the other alternative then who knows, maybe some of that poo won't stink too much?

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RE: is bdsm good for someone with depression - 9/8/2013 9:12:23 AM

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So when you take a pill... particularly any of these newer mental health pills, you're basically consuming some unknown poison with massively varied side effects.

I will take those side effects any day of the year over sitting in a deep, dark hole with no way out except to kill yourself.

Right, exactly. All medications that I'm familiar with (prescription or otherwise) can have side effects and some degree of toxicity. The real question isn't "does the drug have some side effect" - it's "is the benefit of the drug worth it"?

Amen. When I started on my first antidepressant, my sister worried about long-term effects. I said I appreciated her loving concern and saw her point but that there wouldn't be a long term without some help for my poor, battered brain.

As for side effects, psych meds have nothing on chemo. Just before I took my first Xeloda tablet, a urine-yellow sticker on the bottle caught my eye. It said, "TOXIC. DISPOSE OF AS BIOHAZARD." That gave me a bit of pause. "Hmm," I thought, "my disposal method is to eat these!"

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RE: is bdsm good for someone with depression - 9/8/2013 3:11:31 PM

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Did you even read what I wrote? Insulin is not a psych med. Not taking it is life threatening. Yes, I'd take insulin then or now. That has no bearing on my opinion of big pharma nowadays and the utter lack of protection afforded by the FDA.

So best not to take it unless it's critically important.

Did you read what I wrote. A hundred years ago people felt about insulin the way you do about medications that align the brain.

Insulin was new, unknown and appeared to cause dramatic changes in personality. It made people who were unable to move able to do things they had never done. It allowed kids who were passive to become active and speak up for themselves.

For people like myself, and my daughter, psych meds do just what insulin does. They keep us from dying of the disease. You do know that the brains of suicides show changes under a MRI? That this is proven not something we're imagining.

As far as the medication that saved my daughter and has put her in the textbooks as the first kid to survive her variant of bipolar? It's actually an epilepsy medication. It fixes problems with the way the brain's neurons fire. So on it epileptics no longer have seizures and bipolar type IIs no longer cycle back and forth between suicidal depression and either mania, hypomania and/or rage.

It allows epileptics to be seizure free and be able to do anything that other people do. Like drive a car.

It does exactly the same thing for bipolars. It lets them live a normal life.

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RE: is bdsm good for someone with depression - 9/8/2013 8:56:12 PM

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Did you read what I wrote. A hundred years ago people felt about insulin the way you do about medications that align the brain.

To be fair, it's not exactly the "medications that align the brain" that I have such strong feelings about. It is my believe that the FDA is not present and accounted for and trusting big pharma to test their own products is... well... unwise. So I don't take anything if I can avoid it. The risk factors are entirely unknown and the side effects on the psych meds are all over the freakin map. Just a casual perusal of discussion boards turns up all manner of very negative reactions... ones I have experienced.

I'd feel a lot better if we had an FDA.

All that being said, I AM taking one of those drugs right now... to the minimal amount possible and for the shortest time possible. I understand necessity.

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RE: is bdsm good for someone with depression - 9/9/2013 1:56:56 AM

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I've tried to go off of them a couple of times in the past and guess what? That suicidal feeling was back almost instantly.

That's well established in pharmacology, its called rebound and tolerance. Long term anti-depressants make you more depressed, in the long term, its been studied.

Your brain becomes dependent, same as if you took anti-anxiety tablets all the time, or used any mind effecting drug every day, when you come off them, you feel worse.

If your interested give "down-regulation" a google, or generally look into it.

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RE: is bdsm good for someone with depression - 9/10/2013 2:14:29 PM

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my depression hit so hard today it finally caught back with me and it was not going to let me go without a lot of pain. My depression clinged so hard to me today that i had to hurt myself to get it out, i don't usually go this far but i really lost it i was shaking and laughing (i didn't bleed but there were alot of cuts ) and well do you think i should give up on the BDSM life style/fetish/ whatever you call it.
I just think i am into BDSM for all the wrong reasons and even though i try to make myself better it always comes back it stops me learning, i try to escape it with sleep, it wont let me sleep, i try with pain, some times it works. I dont know if this is the right board to post it on but i really have a death wish.

If you truly have a death wish, you’ll need to unravel why. You may need to speak to qualified people for help. If you're experiencing genuine suicidal thoughts, don't hesitate to seek immediate medical attention.

I'm not suggesting that you follow my path here, but merely stating the path I would take if I were in your shoes and in a non-emergency state of being. I am not a mental health professional, so everything I say is merely opinion. Please treat it as such.

I have dealt with depression issues of a somewhat lesser degree in my past. If I ever go through this again, I would once again pursue homeopathic options as opposed to allopathic options primarily because allopathic options did not work for me. In my opinion, allopathic options address symptoms and not underlying causes. In my case, and also from what I’ve read of many others’… allopathic options often aggravates and compounds symptoms. Therefore, I would be inclined repeat the process that worked for me. However, if I were seriously contemplating ending my life, I would reach out for help.

After dismal failure taking the mainstream allopathic path, I decided to explore whether or not there was any food or beverage I was consuming that my body was highly intolerant to and processing it as though it were a toxin. As it turns out, there was.

http://www.holistichelp.net/food-allergies.html

From there, I also decided to make it a point to minimize the amount of chemical toxins I consumed and exposed myself to. I modified my diet, personal care products, and household cleaning products accordingly. I began to look and feel better.

In terms of happiness, I believe that for the most part, happiness comes from within and not from without. What I mean by “the most part” is that we all need the basic necessities of life. Without water, food, warm shelter, etc., it is next to impossible to maintain a state of happiness, as the survival mode trumps. However, aside from the basics, chasing happiness externally is an ongoing path to failure. I realize that this concept conflicts with the implied messages of Madison Avenue, and the mainstream media in general.

And yes, in my opinion, some people do enter the realm of BDSM to process unresolved negative emotions such as anger and guilt. If I were in your shoes, I would be inclined to place BDSM up on a shelf for the time being, at least until you have managed to address and perhaps unravel your issues.

Best of luck.

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RE: is bdsm good for someone with depression - 9/22/2013 9:21:13 PM

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its been gone for a while!! i think i might have killed it, my life is going great ..it was all because i ate more healthy and went for runs at night, i dance for like hours!! and my love life is going great..but i was really bad for a long time it was mostly because of relationships and my life

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RE: is bdsm good for someone with depression - 9/23/2013 8:17:35 AM

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Good to hear, man.

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RE: is bdsm good for someone with depression - 9/24/2013 1:11:11 PM

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its been gone for a while!! i think i might have killed it, my life is going great ..it was all because i ate more healthy and went for runs at night, i dance for like hours!! and my love life is going great..but i was really bad for a long time it was mostly because of relationships and my life

Wow! Very happy for you!

Aren't you glad that you didn't give up?

I, for one, am very proud of you.

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RE: is bdsm good for someone with depression - 9/24/2013 9:50:50 PM

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its been gone for a while!! i think i might have killed it, my life is going great ..it was all because i ate more healthy and went for runs at night, i dance for like hours!! and my love life is going great..but i was really bad for a long time it was mostly because of relationships and my life

Glad to see your positive update!

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RE: is bdsm good for someone with depression - 9/25/2013 4:19:14 PM

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I think as long as the depression is being treated, it's okay. Since I live near the Beach, if I ever get depressed, I just go to the Beach and that work's well for me. Free therapy!

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RE: is bdsm good for someone with depression - 9/28/2013 1:10:15 AM

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Let me start off by saying I'm so glad you're doing better! But unless caused by environmental reasons I dont think depression is like a cold where you're just cured of it in a couple weeks. You said in your OP that there was no rhyme or reason for it but now you're saying it was because of relationships. If you've identified the cause and made a change in your life so that you aren't depressed anymore, kudos to you. But if it does have something to do with your brain chemistry and you start feeling depressed please please please talk to a psychiatrist or a therapist. There are tons of meds to treat this and you may have to just find the right one for you. So please don't hurt yourself again or consider suicide. And while your depressed its not really ever a good time to enter into a relationship, vanilla or otherwise. So I am glad you are doing well and I hope that things keep getting better for you.

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RE: is bdsm good for someone with depression - 10/12/2013 5:16:51 AM

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Not true. BDSM has everything to do with mental health. In fact - everything is connected to everything else. Especially behavior patterns and the brain - it is the original pattern, cycle, habit, addiction, obsession and compulsive creator. How can our beliefs and behavior be separate from our brain - our mental health?
Read the latest on BDSM in the Huffington Post.

We, as a culture, have been abused by psychiatrists and the courts long enough. New research has pointed to the fact that we, as BDSM lifestylers', are better off mentally than the vanilla crowd! YEAH..been saying that a long time. BDSM, when practiced as it should be with ultimate trust, is huge healing influence on the triad - body, mind and spirit. All you have to do is make it a spiritual path and everyone gets better and becomes healthier.
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RE: is bdsm good for someone with depression - 10/12/2013 6:26:18 AM

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People cut themselves to at least experience the mental/emotional pain they feel- as physical. It's their way to deal with the physical when they feel helpless with the mental and emotional. At least they can see it, feel it and do something about it. To put these sufferers in jail is the ultimate act of stupidity. They need to be heard (passively); then listened to (actively) and then treated for their individual pressure problems (assertion); then healed as a social/family being (aggressively). They need GABA supplementation and other neurotransmitter help as well as other forms of orthomolecular, anthroposophical, herbal, homeopathic and psycho-therapy. Bach Flower remedies have been known to work in many cases.
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in England if you say youve been cutting yourself they will try to lock you away, my sister has been in one it is like a prison and now she is going in one again. Everyone looks to me to make everything right in the family, i try to hide how i feel because well my family is brutal to me, i try to improve myself and learn everyday but my depression wont let me go

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RE: is bdsm good for someone with depression - 10/12/2013 6:42:47 AM

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Let me preface this comment by saying that I am not a doctor. I did,however,work extensively at a facility that dealt with lots and lots of mental health issues. I remember talking to the head guy there once re antidepressant/pills etc...mostly because I am very sketchy when it comes to psychiatry-we know so little about the brain and body chemistry and stuff that I frequently think that far to many shrinks are somewhat similar to those african witch doctors who try to read the future in entrails. And the whole pill think kinda freaks me out,mostly because it's just a guessing game as to what med works in simpatico with a persons unique biochemistry and the only way to discover the combination that works for an individual is a trial and error process, a process that plays with folks sanity and some don't make it through.
That, coupled with Americans fascinations with quick fix solutions and side effects left me real skeptical when it came to meds.
So I told this guy that and to my shock,he actually agreed with the majority of my comments.
Then he hit me with I think the best truth I've ever heard re meds.He said, "The reality is that for almost every case, the best will solve maybe 20% of their problems with pills.The other 80% of the solution involves work,sweat, courage, faith and the willingness to change and grow.
Buuuuuuut,he added, "Of course, for many many of these folks, they'd have zero chance of getting better w/o the meds stabilizing them first."

That said,moving to the original topic, BDSM is like anything else,an external solution to internal problems. Yeah,riding those endorphins may help,and there are certainly changes that occur pheremonally,hormonally,chemically etc....but they deal with the symptom (The depression),not the root problem.Thus it's not a good long term fix.

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