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RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO - 9/3/2013 6:26:41 AM   
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And not JUST for the reason stated in the OP, which is patently untrue, it merits two sentances, yet, the :"Cause" is obamacare.
Is there some reason you want to blow it out of all proportion????
Surely that cant be


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RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO - 9/3/2013 6:27:58 AM   
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So, it turns out Obamacare is one relatively minor part on a long list of longshoremens' complaints, and that their particular complaint is more about a broken promise by Obama re taxing the health care reform than the reform itself.

Obamacare is not the sole why of it by a long shot, but neither is it a minor part as Tweak (marginalizing?) says, as this statement (the letter, p.3) demonstrates -
"The federation has not stood its ground on issues that are most important to our members." (enhancement added)

Something tells me they could live with the Obamacare a lot better than their parent union actually crossing their picket lines and filing Unfair Labor Practices complaints against them in court.


Of course they could. But, that doesn't make it not part of the reasoning behind their disaffiliation.

What I see is the ILWU leadership standing up for what they believe is right for their members. And, that's pretty much what you want from your Union, isn't it?

I agree that the biggest reason presented are the dick moves of "brother scabs" and the ULP filings.


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RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO - 9/3/2013 6:29:44 AM   
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Well, gee, if Blight-fart says it, it must be so. Right? Really, is this newsworthy?



Actually, quite a number of news services are carrying this story, so I think it's safe to assume that it's true that the Longshoremen have broken off with the AFL-CIO. If it happened, then it happened. It doesn't matter who the messenger is.

It happened but not for the reasons stated by Brietbart. The health care situation only received passing mention toward the end of the letter. The reason for leaving seems to be that the parent union is competing against the longshoremen and in some cases even crossing their picket lines as scabs.

Unfortunately, some folks don't know how to read a letter.

Unfortunately, some folks refuse to accept the fact that Obama, Pelosi, Reid et al who promoted Obamacare either LIED through their arsses about it or had no idea what was in it.

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RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO - 9/3/2013 6:30:51 AM   
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Something tells me they could live with the Obamacare a lot better than their parent union actually crossing their picket lines and filing Unfair Labor Practices complaints against them in court.


The split is due to a string of abuses, but that does not indicate any more acceptance of Obamacare itself should the other abuses not have occurred. In actuality, the inclusion of Obamacare says quite the opposite, for if they could live with it why include it?

The letter is not about Obamacare itself, but of the split.


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RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO - 9/3/2013 6:37:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: Zonie63


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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

Well, gee, if Blight-fart says it, it must be so. Right? Really, is this newsworthy?



Actually, quite a number of news services are carrying this story, so I think it's safe to assume that it's true that the Longshoremen have broken off with the AFL-CIO. If it happened, then it happened. It doesn't matter who the messenger is.

It happened but not for the reasons stated by Brietbart. The health care situation only received passing mention toward the end of the letter. The reason for leaving seems to be that the parent union is competing against the longshoremen and in some cases even crossing their picket lines as scabs.

Unfortunately, some folks don't know how to read a letter.


Well, no one should rely on just a single source of information anyway. Media outlets may be inclined to put their own particular spin on things, to emphasize some parts and deemphasize other parts. All of them do it, so it becomes necessary to seek out multiple sources to get as much factual information as possible and sift through all the spin.

I just wonder about the automatic assumption that just because something comes from a certain source, it means that it's a complete fabrication or totally false. If they said that "rain is wet," would it be reasonable to automatically disbelieve it just because one doesn't like the source? Just asking.

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RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO - 9/3/2013 6:41:50 AM   
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LMAO any more than your reason for siding with a "commie marxist" union?
And not JUST for the reason stated in the OP, which is patently untrue, it merits two sentances, yet, the :"Cause" is obamacare.
Is there some reason you want to blow it out of all proportion????
Surely that cant be




I'm not siding with anyone. The ILWU is doing as it sees fit, for the reasons it stated. One of them being Obamacare.

The OP, pointing at Breitbart, is semi-correct. The issue Breitbart is addressing is Obamacare, and though there are definitely other issues as to the split, the simple fact is that the ILWU included Obamacare and is thus, given the state of journalism today, fair game as to the issue Breitbart is addressing

Or is Obamacare not one of the issues stated, regardless of length, in the ILWU letter?


edit: As stated by Breitbart (OP link) - The Longshoremen citied Obamacare and immigration reform as two important causes of their disaffiliation.

It's entertaining watching Obamacare-bots dance. The simple fact is that the ILWU did include Obamacare as one of its issues most important to its members. That there are also other issues does not diminish one over another which is what the Obamacare-bots are trying to do. That's to be expected. They want Obamacare!!!!! and desperately want no opposition.

Dance ya little doggies, dance.




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RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO - 9/3/2013 6:43:16 AM   
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Unfortunately, some folks refuse to accept the fact that Obama, Pelosi, Reid et al who promoted Obamacare either LIED through their arsses about it or had no idea what was in it.

You reckon they ever bothered to read it after it was passed?

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RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO - 9/3/2013 6:52:35 AM   
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the simple fact is that the ILWU included Obamacare



This claim is simply wrong. I invite people to read the letter of resignation in full at:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/164542066/ILWU-Disaffiliation-8-29-2013

The ILWU made no complaint about Obamacare itself in its letter. Its complaints relate to the taxing health care benefits, which apparently breaks a promise made by Obama not to tax them.

An attempt at accuracy would be appreciated. But any accurate account of this letter of resignation wouldn't help the anti-Obamacare campaign in any way would it? So distortion and innuendo replace accuracy in your rendering of the letter of resignation.

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RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO - 9/3/2013 6:55:46 AM   
Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

LMAO any more than your reason for siding with a "commie marxist" union?
And not JUST for the reason stated in the OP, which is patently untrue, it merits two sentances, yet, the :"Cause" is obamacare.
Is there some reason you want to blow it out of all proportion????
Surely that cant be




I'm not siding with anyone. The ILWU is doing as it sees fit, for the reasons it stated. One of them being Obamacare.

The OP, pointing at Breitbart, is semi-correct. The issue Breitbart is addressing is Obamacare, and though there are definitely other issues as to the split, the simple fact is that the ILWU included Obamacare and is thus, given the state of journalism today, fair game as to the issue Breitbart is addressing

Or is Obamacare not one of the issues stated, regardless of length, in the ILWU letter?

and you keep going around in ever decreasing circles....careful you dont disappear into your own fundamental orifice.


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RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO - 9/3/2013 7:09:37 AM   
Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

LMAO any more than your reason for siding with a "commie marxist" union?
And not JUST for the reason stated in the OP, which is patently untrue, it merits two sentances, yet, the :"Cause" is obamacare.
Is there some reason you want to blow it out of all proportion????
Surely that cant be




I'm not siding with anyone. The ILWU is doing as it sees fit, for the reasons it stated. One of them being Obamacare.

The OP, pointing at Breitbart, is semi-correct. The issue Breitbart is addressing is Obamacare, and though there are definitely other issues as to the split, the simple fact is that the ILWU included Obamacare and is thus, given the state of journalism today, fair game as to the issue Breitbart is addressing

Or is Obamacare not one of the issues stated, regardless of length, in the ILWU letter?

and you keep going around in ever decreasing circles....careful you dont disappear into your own fundamental orifice.







I'm





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RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO - 9/3/2013 7:13:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		If what the ILWU is alleging is true, then I can see why they are disaffiliating, and I for one am extremely disappointed in the AFL-CIO. The only way a labor union, much less a federation, survives is through solidarity. This means not crossing other unions picket lines.

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RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO - 9/3/2013 10:50:56 AM   
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If what the ILWU is alleging is true, then I can see why they are disaffiliating, and I for one am extremely disappointed in the AFL-CIO. The only way a labor union, much less a federation, survives is through solidarity. This means not crossing other unions picket lines.


Agreed. What I'm getting out of this isn't an issue with Obamacare as much as it's an issue of the ILWU viewing the AFL-CIO as an overbearing authority who's been disrespectful of it's own members.

I smell another attempt to spin the facts. For shame.

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RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO - 9/3/2013 6:31:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		At the time I posted, breitbart was the only one breaking the story.

Continue to spin as much as you like lefties. *UNIONS* about as staunch an ally as o has - are opposing him on o-care.
And of course.. more than 50% of americans still oppose it. .. and climbing.

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RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO - 9/3/2013 6:44:03 PM   
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RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO - 9/3/2013 8:44:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh? Just curious - which fact do you disagree with Lucy Lu?

That more than 50% of the american population disagrees with obamacare - or that multiple unions are opposing o-care?


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RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO - 9/3/2013 9:19:47 PM   
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RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO - 9/3/2013 9:32:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOl... there are hundreds of news sources saying that union members are unhappy with the union support of o-care. In fact why don't you go google .. longshoreman + obama care. And then tell me obamacare wasn't a factor in the divorce.

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RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO - 9/3/2013 10:26:03 PM   
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