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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 7:07:03 AM   
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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 8:18:39 AM   
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As a male, I do not see any major issues. With some females there may be some issues, and the double standard of allowing jokes about male behavior but many frown on jokes about female behavior is hypocritical. Nothing effects me enough that I see it as actionable, just amusing sometimes and slightly irritating others.

You should ask yourself why you have so many major issues with it and how do they truly effect your life.

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What are men's issues? Because I've never seen any prevailing issue that has needed the type of rallying cry that feminism has needed over the decades.


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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 8:21:11 AM   
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In the western world?

It's a mixed bag. There are the 2nd wave feminists still floating about and they are mostly uninterested in men but not openly antagonistic. Then there's the 3rd wave which is all over the map and rampant with anti-male bigotry. They are actively my enemy. Insofar as what they have done positively, my answer is "nothing much recently".

And I agree with you, we cannot achieve equality looking at half the coin. We need to look at the whole coin... both sides. Back in the day when the scales were much more uneven than they are now it was prudent and useful to focus on the most broken half. Nowadays, that is no longer true and any change to half the equation is almost certain to break the other half somehow.


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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 8:21:59 AM   
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I also have a different view of what is a right. Most of the time when people say a right, they actually mean a privilege granted outside of their home or area of personal influence.

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There is an answer to the OP's question, though: The reason why we support equality for all is because we also want to be treated as equals. We support human rights because we want to protect our rights, too, since we're also human.




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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 8:23:50 AM   
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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 10:13:51 AM   
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Females tend to either hover over the seat, therefore not actually being in contact with it, or clean it first. I'm a hoverer.

Hoverers can 'sprtiz' the seat as easily as a male, so I'm not sure you are doing us a favor. If you have the option, please close the seat. If you don't close the seat before you flush, you are helping to distribute bacteria, including shigellosis, staphylococcus and salmonella.






I'll take that request under advisement. My sisters take the opposite view and, God knows, have expressed enough times for me to remember it.


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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 10:35:31 AM   
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JeffBC post 23: we cannot achieve equality looking at half the coin. We need to look at the whole coin... both sides. Back in the day when the scales were much more uneven than they are now it was prudent and useful to focus on the most broken half. Nowadays, that is no longer true and any change to half the equation is almost certain to break the other half somehow.

How refreshing to hear you say this, Jeff. You are a deep thinker. And I used to perceive you as sharing society's blind spot on this.

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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 10:44:16 AM   
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How refreshing to hear you say this, Jeff. You are a deep thinker. And I used to perceive you as sharing society's blind spot on this.

Thanks... although "deep thinker" is, of course, a fairly subjective assessment. There's a lot of crap that still needs fixing. Much of it is on the male side nowadays although the forces arrayed against women are still active... diminished greatly but active and they must be countered still. The male side is just barely beginning to raise up to the level of awareness in our society and little has been done to even acknowledge it much less address it. Ideally, we could do something about that before it becomes unbalanced enough that males start to fight back in a serious way. Gender wars are never much fun.

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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 11:32:19 AM   
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You do realize the name of the thread is a complete oxymoron right? Feminism is not something for men, it's like asking what does gay rights do for straight people.


I don't think this is entirely true. Otherwise men would have no reason to support feminism and straight people wouldn't have any reason to support gay rights.

There is an answer to the OP's question, though: The reason why we support equality for all is because we also want to be treated as equals. We support human rights because we want to protect our rights, too, since we're also human.

We get something for sticking by and living up to our stated principles, such as equality and human rights.

Also, there are some of us who actually know some women and gays in real life, and since we care about them as people, their rights and well-being are important to us.


I support many causes that do not directly affect me, as does my church:

There are seven principles which Unitarian Universalist congregations affirm and promote:

- The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
- Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
- Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
- A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
- The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
- The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
- Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.

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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 1:27:07 PM   
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Because straight, rich, healthy white men don't need help.

That constitutes a tiny fraction of a single percent of the population but some folks seems to lump anything with a penis into that group.

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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 1:29:59 PM   
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Because straight, rich, healthy white men don't need help.

That constitutes a tiny fraction of a percentage of the population but some folks seems to lump anything with a penis into that group.


Did you even read the whole post, or did you disregard it because it wasn't in bold like this sentence? This is a deliberate way to effectively get my point across, not a claim that all men are white, healthy, straight and rich...

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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 1:40:09 PM   
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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 1:48:09 PM   
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...Feminism isn't about making women rule everything, it's not about unfair advantages or man-hate. It's simply about leveling the playing field and make sure everyone has the same chances regardless of gender.

What does the gay rights movement do for straight people? Nothing, because that's not the point.
What does honest charity organizations do for rich and healthy people? Nothing, that's not the point.
What did the black rights movement do for whites? Nothing, that's not the point.
What does feminism do for men? Nothing, that's not the point.


I'm gonna play my starry-eyed idealism card here. What they do is make the world a fairer place. (At least when they're doing it right.) That's better for everyone, not just the disadvantaged.

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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 2:51:11 PM   
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As a male, I do not see any major issues. With some females there may be some issues,


You're obviously more blind than blind freddy himself.

It never ceases to amaze me how people (men and women) will just totally dismiss and ignore any evidence of male discrimination. Even if strong irrefutable evidence is glaring them right in the face, they will still say stupid crap like what I quoted above.

It always makes me laugh how people claim women are treated as the underclass. But looking at attitudes like I see above, clearly indicates blatant female favouritism. Women have a hell of a lot of social power. Even that this social power is very evident in every thread regarding gender issues, people will still ignore this and claim that women are treated as the underclass.

In any thread where male issues come up, I can bet my bottom dollar that it will soon be hijacked with the "what about the women" posts.




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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 2:52:13 PM   
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Sure, there are some things that might be unjust, but usually feminism is the very thing to solve that issue.


Sure, look at male issues and what feminism does about it.

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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 2:55:49 PM   
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What they do is make the world a fairer place.


Utter crap. Feminists in general marginalise any opinion that veers towards focusing on male issues. That isn't making the world a fairer place, that's only looking at one side of the problem in regards of gender issues while totally ignoring the other.


It's absolutely impossible for a movement "to be about equality" when they have different attitudes depending which gender is being discriminated against.

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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 2:57:47 PM   
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The funniest thing about this is that people don't consider such bigoted attitudes to be sexist.

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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 3:01:52 PM   
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I'm gonna play my starry-eyed idealism card here. What they do is make the world a fairer place. (At least when they're doing it right.) That's better for everyone, not just the disadvantaged.

There is no special interest group that is trying to make things 'fair'.

By their very definition, special interest groups wish to make things advantageously slanted toward themselves and to hell with everyone else.

If they aren't doing that, they're not doing their job properly.

The best one can hope for is that it all comes close to evening out.

Those who claim that "only my group needs help because this group always oppresses us" are to be highly suspect.

The above is original thought, not something found on the net that looks profound and PC.

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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 3:05:24 PM   
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Those who claim that "only my group needs help because this group always oppresses us" are to be highly suspect.


And that's what I hear from feminists far too often.

Do a google search on the keywords "what about teh menz".....the typos are made in purpose as that's how it's supposed to be.

With that phrase, add the word "feminism".

You will then see 1000s of results on how feminists don't give a flying fuck about the male gender.

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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 3:08:59 PM   
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Those who claim that "only my group needs help because this group always oppresses us" are to be highly suspect.


And that's what I hear from feminists far too often.

Do a google search on the keywords "what about teh menz".....the typos are made in purpose as that's how it's supposed to be.

With that phrase, add the word "feminism".

You will then see 1000s of results on how feminists don't give a flying fuck about the male gender.

it's not just feminists, nick. It's virtually ALL of the so-called downtrodden activist groups.
Don't be so hung up on feminists. There are many worse groups to worry about and virtually all of them don't look nearly as good naked (I KEEEED ok folks ).

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