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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 3:16:20 PM   
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As a male, I do not see any major issues. With some females there may be some issues,


You're obviously more blind than blind freddy himself.

It never ceases to amaze me how people (men and women) will just totally dismiss and ignore any evidence of male discrimination. Even if strong irrefutable evidence is glaring them right in the face, they will still say stupid crap like what I quoted above.

It always makes me laugh how people claim women are treated as the underclass. But looking at attitudes like I see above, clearly indicates blatant female favouritism. Women have a hell of a lot of social power. Even that this social power is very evident in every thread regarding gender issues, people will still ignore this and claim that women are treated as the underclass.

In any thread where male issues come up, I can bet my bottom dollar that it will soon be hijacked with the "what about the women" posts.


Favoritism? Yeah right. That is your projection, and I notice your claim anytime something disagrees with your views. I usually only favor females for collars and on their knees. That is where I favor most but I do not demand anything from them, unless they are mine. I am often declared a sexist or misogynist because of my personal views, but the difference is that I am not trying to push any of my personal views on others. So your statement of me showing female favoritism is dumbassery .


I have no issues. Have not run into any issues. If they are so rampant then why have I not run into issues?

I have issues with some females, and so I address the issue with those females. I tend to handle issues directly.

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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 3:22:56 PM   
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Many feminists, too many feminists, actually believe that men aren't entitled to complain because of the logical fallacy of male privilege and patriarchy.

I don't know if I agree with this. SOME feminists are like that. And those feminists nowadays tend to be pretty vocal in the blogosphere and the like. Yes, I've seen some truly and seriously egregious examples of this (for instance, a feminist group actively trying to stop a male abuse program because they didn't like one of the checklist items). I'm unprepared, however, to say either "many" or "most". There are lots of women (and men) on ALL of your many threads who do not agree with your proposition yet self-identify as feminists.


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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 3:23:11 PM   
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I have no issues. Have not run into any issues. If they are so rampant then why have I not run into issues?


The same applies for any female issue. Not all women are victims, but people will say that anyway due to the social trend of "poor oppressed women"...hyperbole galore.

The fact of the matter is that, yes, gender issues do exist. Is every person from that gender a victim? No

That said, I am sure many males have faced discrimination from women simply because they have a penis. Far too often, men are deemed as potential rapists, sleazebags, users, until proven otherwise.

For what? For having a fucking penis!

This is a very important gender issue that most people just totally ignore. Bigotry is bigotry, there is no excuse for it.

Speaking of prejudice just for having a penis, this video is a great example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fL9RmVtMP0

This type of discrimination isn't isolated. It's something I see far too often.




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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 4:13:08 PM   
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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 4:14:04 PM   
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It appears to turn some men into endlessly crying whinebags.

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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 4:29:15 PM   
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Must be a hard question.


Nope, just a boring one.

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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 4:43:51 PM   
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Those who claim that "only my group needs help because this group always oppresses us" are to be highly suspect.


And that's what I hear from feminists far too often.

Do a google search on the keywords "what about teh menz".....the typos are made in purpose as that's how it's supposed to be.

With that phrase, add the word "feminism".

You will then see 1000s of results on how feminists don't give a flying fuck about the male gender.


Yes, but your definition of 'feminism' is shit, Nick. It's the lowbrow, brainless result of over a hundred years of propaganda. All you've done is accepted the standard right wing, tabloid definition of feminism, which has been pumping the same nasty old bollocks since the days of the suffragettes. This has it that a) feminists want to take things from men, with no motive other than selfishness, in order to give to women to make their lives peachier at our expense, b) that any woman who has ever called herself a feminist must therefore *be* a feminist, and anything she does is 'feminism in action', no matter how crap it is and c) all feminists are to be characterised by the worst and most despicable thing that any self-declared feminist, ever, has said or done.

You arselick the powers that be, Nick - those same people who tell us that, as men, our feelings don't matter, that we have no sensitivities, that we don't have any desire to be in contact with our children; that we're instead powerful, heroic, ultimately-strong beings - and indeed the sorts who'll be glad to get ourselves slaughtered in war after war after frigging war . . . but bash the feminists who, at worst, are utterly irrelevant to all that and at best have helped us against it.

You've picked the wrong enemies and the wrong allies, Nick. The fat rich righties that you support and whose opinions you keep retailing here, as purveyed by the nasty little tabloid papers which are their tools and which you obviously lap up, just think you're a dick and a useful fool. You help them in their age-old strategy of getting the minions to fight each other instead of stopping to think and to realise that it's they, those at the top, who are actually the people who fuck things up for all the rest.




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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 4:59:49 PM   
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Zonie, how is feminism about equality when consideration for female issues overrides men's issues?


I was just speaking of feminism in its more basic form, advocating equality and civil rights for women (just as men have and will continue to have as long as the Constitution remains in force).

What you're talking about are the exceptions, the anomalies, the disgruntled radicals who seem hellbent on revenge against the entire male gender for millennia of inequality. But I don't think there are that many of them. That seems to be your main problem here, when you take a few isolated incidents and try to make it as if all feminists are like that.

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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 5:12:04 PM   
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It appears to turn some men into endlessly crying whinebags.



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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 5:46:44 PM   
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Yes, but your definition of 'feminism' is shit, Nick.


Disagree all you want.

Keep this in mind: What feminists do is what feminism is.

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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 5:51:01 PM   
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Yes, but your definition of 'feminism' is shit, Nick.


Disagree all you want.

Keep this in mind: What feminists do is what feminism is.


And what men do is what they are? So we can use the lowest form of manliness any society has to offer and measure you all by that standard?

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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 5:51:46 PM   
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Yes, but your definition of 'feminism' is shit, Nick.


Disagree all you want.

Keep this in mind: What feminists do is what feminism is.


No, what feminism is is what decides who is and isn't a feminist. Try to get that in your mind, then keep it there.

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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 5:52:41 PM   
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http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m154u7mWe91qivflno1_500.jpg


Sure, not every feminist is the same but ALL feminists do have the same type of belief system due to what the powers that be of feminism spews out on a daily basis. The people at the top make money out of feminism while the gullible suckers who support their claims keep the business running.

I think it wouldn't be easy to find a feminist who doesn't have this faulty belief that everything negative in the world is the fault of patriarchy and this evil invisible patriarchy force is keeping women down.




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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 5:53:05 PM   
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Because straight, rich, healthy white men don't need help.

That constitutes a tiny fraction of a percentage of the population but some folks seems to lump anything with a penis into that group.


Did you even read the whole post, or did you disregard it because it wasn't in bold like this sentence? This is a deliberate way to effectively get my point across, not a claim that all men are white, healthy, straight and rich...

Yes I did. There are problems indeed. The simplistic analogy has a few holes in it though.
It works on an oval track but do you still run the stagger on a straight track? There are many who insist that the stagger is needed regardless or that the stagger should even make the outer route shorter than the inner.

Maybe pay piggies don't need help because they have disposable income but some people do and it has less to do with gender than you may think.

The bolded part of the post I quoted showed the prejudices of someone who found it on the net and copypasta'd without thinking or having an original thought.

(reposted with corrections because either someone whined to the mods or someone else had too much time on their hands and pulled the original)

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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 5:56:30 PM   
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Oh, what the fuck. One line answers for posts of some paragraphs? You're just a troll, old boy. Waste of time.

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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 6:00:53 PM   
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In feminist literature, is anything ever the women's fault?

That's an interesting question about feminism.

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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 6:02:37 PM   
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhh Nikki....

And what men do is what they are? So we can use the lowest form of manliness any society has to offer and measure you all by that standard?

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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 6:58:24 PM   
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Sure, not every feminist is the same but ALL feminists do have the same type of belief system due to what the powers that be of feminism spews out on a daily basis.

And with that you have lost me again... back on ignore.

Honestly Nick, you need to ponder my reactions to you because I AGREE WITH YOU. To be blunt, I think Peon's comment "Yes, but your definition of 'feminism' is shit, Nick. It's the lowbrow, brainless result of over a hundred years of propaganda. All you've done is accepted the standard right wing, tabloid definition of feminism, which has been pumping the same nasty old bollocks since the days of the suffragettes. " is so blinded from reality that I think he's lost in some sort of fantasy land of his own making. Yet STILL I don't want to deal with you.

Ponder that. It may help you.

Goodbye and good luck.


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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 7:31:38 PM   
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In feminist literature, is anything ever the women's fault?

That's an interesting question about feminism.

In any [insert term here] ist literature, is it ever the [insert name here] fault?

That's an interesting question about any [-------]ist group

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RE: What does contemporary feminism do for men? - 9/5/2013 7:45:28 PM   
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In related stupidity, what has the civil rights movement done for lobsters?

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