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In theory, that should cover the "nut jobs", as you put it.

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Will there be unstable people that slip through cracks, probably... sadly, there are so many gun laws on the books that we should live in a crime free nation.

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman
Proof, please. I'm not a Republican by a long shot, but I'll be damned and assigned to hell having mine taken away on technicalities. Show me the proof.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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In theory, that should cover the "nut jobs", as you put it.

Not in any theoretical model that remotely resembles reality. Time and again these mentally unstable shooters were well known to be bat shit crazy to every one around them and yet they could still legally get guns. Take the recent Naval Yard shooter, it's not like the cops wanted to say good luck with that after Alexis told them that he was being followed and attacked by microwaves. Saddly laws have been crafted which prevented the police from getting him the help he so desperately needed (thanks republicans). So no the laws which have been crafted and continue to be crafted to make it unreasonably difficult to take guns away from the mentally ill "don't cover the 'nut jobs'".

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Will there be unstable people that slip through cracks, probably... sadly, there are so many gun laws on the books that we should live in a crime free nation.

There will never be a perfect system but some systems do work a great deal better than others. The name of the game is mitigation and not perfect absolute prevention. We have a system of laws in place which is social engineering the epidemic of mass shootings. We shouldn't ever expect to live in a crime free nation but we can do a whole lot better than this, after all every other first world country does.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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In theory, that should cover the "nut jobs", as you put it.

Not in any theoretical model that remotely resembles reality. Time and again these mentally unstable shooters were well known to be bat shit crazy to every one around them and yet they could still legally get guns. Take the recent Naval Yard shooter, it's not like the cops wanted to say good luck with that after Alexis told them that he was being followed and attacked by microwaves. Saddly laws have been crafted which prevented the police from getting him the help he so desperately needed (thanks republicans). So no the laws which have been crafted and continue to be crafted to make it unreasonably difficult to take guns away from the mentally ill "don't cover the 'nut jobs'".

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Will there be unstable people that slip through cracks, probably... sadly, there are so many gun laws on the books that we should live in a crime free nation.

There will never be a perfect system but some systems do work a great deal better than others. The name of the game is mitigation and not perfect absolute prevention. We have a system of laws in place which is social engineering the epidemic of mass shootings. We shouldn't ever expect to live in a crime free nation but we can do a whole lot better than this, afterafternoon all every other first world country does.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
So if we were all Democrats everything would be hunky dory?

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
So if we were all Democrats everything would be hunky dory?

I'm not a fan of one party systems but I do think we'd be a lot better off without a party that's so determined to keep the mentally ill out of treatment and armed to the teeth.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
So if we were all Democrats everything would be hunky dory?

I'm not a fan of one party systems but I do think we'd be a lot better off without a party that's so determined to keep the mentally ill out of treatment and armed to the teeth.

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ORIGINAL: DsBound
I was responding to the article you posted... which would lead some, without reading the bill, to believe the mentally ill are being issued licences.

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ORIGINAL: DsBound
You cant put everyone into that category... I know people who've voluntarily entered hospitals for marijuana, food, alcohol... none of which I would deem mentally unstable.

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I'm not claiming that every idea in the bill is unreasonable just it's arm the unstable nutbars provision.

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ORIGINAL: DsBound
I was responding to the article you posted... which would lead some, without reading the bill, to believe the mentally ill are being issued licences.

Yes that is exactly one of the things the bill accomplishes. More fruit loops with guns.

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ORIGINAL: DsBound
You cant put everyone into that category... I know people who've voluntarily entered hospitals for marijuana, food, alcohol... none of which I would deem mentally unstable.

Once again and please read what I actually said this time:

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I'm not claiming that every idea in the bill is unreasonable just it's arm the unstable nutbars provision.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

I'm not claiming that every idea in the bill is unreasonable just it's arm the unstable nutbars provision.

^^^^Thank you.

In theory, that should cover the "nut jobs", as you put it. Will there be unstable people that slip through cracks, probably... sadly, there are so many gun laws on the books that we should live in a crime free nation. However, there are people that choose, for whatever reason, to violate the rights of others and those people are determined, non life respecting individuals. No amount of laws are going to change that.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
I think we're witnessing part of the issue, right here where I've highlighted in red.

To a lefty, if you're mentally ill, you're worthy of compassion. However, if you're mentally ill and choose to own a gun, smoke, oppose abortion, or vote republican, you're a "nutbar".

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

It's the moving goalposts of morality, again.

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman
Proof, please. I'm not a Republican by a long shot, but I'll be damned and assigned to hell having mine taken away on technicalities. Show me the proof.

Which claim are you looking for validation on? The link I posted explains my comments about arms for the unstable.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Imported from another thread, discussing a family tragedy, and some thugs with badges.

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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

This smells of some gun-sociopath going off on the cops.

Now here we have a charming example of why firearms discussion is so difficult. "Gun-sociopath."

According to popular statistics, 80 million Americans own guns. Is that, in itself, a determining factor of mental illness?

DNAV is perfectly happy, at least on a thread where his shit can hide from appropriate response, to fling a slur at anyone who dares to disagree with his brainwashing and bullshit. He's perfectly happy to take a tragedy, and use a dead teenage girl as a club to push his ideological POV. (Of course, the whiners will go whining, when someone takes a mass murder that involves a different tool than firearms, and shoves the tactic back in their faces, but hopefully that won't be an issue here.)

People will point out that guns are a more effective means of suicide than pills, but they will happily ignore the even higher success rate of jumping from high places, or stepping in front of a train.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Imported from another thread, discussing a family tragedy, and some thugs with badges.

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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

This smells of some gun-sociopath going off on the cops.

Now here we have a charming example of why firearms discussion is so difficult. "Gun-sociopath."

According to popular statistics, 80 million Americans own guns. Is that, in itself, a determining factor of mental illness?

DNAV is perfectly happy, at least on a thread where his shit can hide from appropriate response, to fling a slur at anyone who dares to disagree with his brainwashing and bullshit. He's perfectly happy to take a tragedy, and use a dead teenage girl as a club to push his ideological POV. (Of course, the whiners will go whining, when someone takes a mass murder that involves a different tool than firearms, and shoves the tactic back in their faces, but hopefully that won't be an issue here.)

People will point out that guns are a more effective means of suicide than pills, but they will happily ignore the even higher success rate of jumping from high places, or stepping in front of a train.

I suggest you read this, suicide by a shot gun is 99% lethal, train is 96.2% and jumping 92.3%. In fact cyanide is 97%.

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/statistics-most-lethal-methods

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Maybe those who wish to read left wing nutcases claiming that the second amendment was meant to protect something that wasn't even particularly controversial at the time should read Federalist paper #46.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_No._46

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Maybe those who wish to read left wing nutcases claiming that the second amendment was meant to protect something that wasn't even particularly controversial at the time should read Federalist paper #46.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_No._46

Like other Virginia statesmen in the slave society, he was a slaveholder who inherited his plantation known as Montpelier, and owned hundreds of slaves during his lifetime to cultivate tobacco and other crops. Madison supported the three-fifths compromise that allowed three-fifths of the enumerated population of slaves to be counted for representation. He also had trouble making up his mind it seems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Madison

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Maybe those who wish to read left wing nutcases claiming that the second amendment was meant to protect something that wasn't even particularly controversial at the time should read Federalist paper #46.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_No._46

Like other Virginia statesmen in the slave society, he was a slaveholder who inherited his plantation known as Montpelier, and owned hundreds of slaves during his lifetime to cultivate tobacco and other crops. Madison supported the three-fifths compromise that allowed three-fifths of the enumerated population of slaves to be counted for representation. He also had trouble making up his mind it seems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Madison