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That's pretty much the standard across the board.
People who aren't convicted felons, but who are 'criminal' (such as misdemeanors) should get due process.
People who aren't adjudicated a danger, but who do have a mental issue (bulimia, agoraphobia, Tourrette's) should get due process. People who are blind, but fall in the 'legally blind range of 'correctable to 20/40', should get due process.
The propaganda to deny due process to people by smearing them with the broader label of 'nutjob', or 'crook', or 'handicapped', and conflate the whole category with a small section of it, is a denial of basic equality.
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I'm not claiming that every idea in the bill is unreasonable just it's arm the unstable nutbars provision.
(2) No weapons carry license shall be issued to...(J) Any person who has been involuntarily hospitalized as an inpatient in any mental hospital or alcohol or drug treatment center or adjudicated by a court to be in need of involuntary outpatient mental health treatment within the five years immediately preceding the application... HB 512
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I would like to point out something "by a court", Cho, Alexis, Hoimes. Loughner were ever involuntarily hospitalized or adjudicated by a court prior to their shootings. One reason they got their guns legally.
This from a man who spent several pages on another thread declaring that mental health information cannot be used because it would violate privacy.
A patient's medical history is between them and their doctor. This includes the mental and emotional health. HOWEVER, if someone treating the patient believes the person in question is about to do something destructive to themselves or others, they can notify authorities. This usually takes the form of the patient explaining enough details of motive, situation, experience, and time table to establish to their doctor/therapist that the danger is immediate or very close to it.
Understand this, the grand majority of Americans have not even an ounce of understanding of mental or emotional issues when they need a pound! Most people have no understanding of Depression for example. Effects millions of people, yet, many informed on the deadly illness suspect twice the population is effected by it. Ranging from mild to severe condition. We individuals without advanced medical or psychology degrees are poorly equipped to make informed judgments on whether a person has Depression or not. And it takes a while to determine the issue. Unfortunately even a mild case of real Depression can lead an individual down a very dark road. There are plenty more mental or emotional issues than you really realize.
But scapegoating mental or emotional suffering individuals for spreading mass shootings does more damage than it helps. For starters, someone that might have such an illness will be LESS likely to seek help than to find enough courage to seek out proper help. Right now, there are no tests to determine one's sanity level like there is with physical health (his leg is obviously broken for example). Even if one is found to have some issue, how do we as a society deal with any and all firearms they own or have access to?
Over on another thread, some 16 year old girl shot herself in the head. While the OP and several others focused on events five or ten minutes after then event, the unanswered question remained: why did she do it? Mental or emotional illness doesn't care which political party your in, your age, economic status, how big your dick is, whether you have kids or not, the cars you drive, sport teams you cheer for, or plenty of other things. But such a condition is an ever present danger the longer it goes on for; with access to firearms, they are many times more likely to be used for suicide rather than deal with an intruder. Unlike other suicide methods, a firearm is quick, easy, and 90% chance of success.
Our collective 'do nothing' attitude will not stop or lessen the mass shootings in the future. Singling out one group of people for mob justice will not help the issues we face either. Dealing with the issue of firearm access, the mental/emotionally ill, laws, and treatment are no simple hurdles to over come.
< Message edited by joether -- 10/1/2013 1:35:28 PM >
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