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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
You are intentionally ignoring the point. Lack of health care does not kill you. Period.
You are intentionally making a fatuous point. Why is that? No one thinks it is witty. No one thinks it is relevant. Would you like to discuss the issue?

It is not intended to be witty.

It is a statement of fact.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri



Neat thing is that Eulero was stating that they see it as a right and their Constitution says it's a right. Perhaps that's where I get the idea that the Italian government is giving something? Nooooo, couldn't be that...

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

do we need insurance to take better care of ourselves?

By the same idiotic notion do we need insurance to cover our car in case of an accident?



Why is the cost of diagnostic services so much higher in the US?

Because they are being run for profit where as the ones in countries with socialised medicine it is not...Why was that so difficult to figure out?



The whole idea that needing insurance to pay for those things is ludicrous.

Insurance is ludicrous???
Care to explane this asanine concept?

If our costs were the same as they are in Germany, more people could afford to pay for them out of pocket, rather than requiring insurance for them to be affordable.

Anyone who is actually acquainted with the health care debate would know that the prices for medical care in countries with socialised medicine prices are fixed because of the socialised medicine...no profit = lower price.
Why is that such a difficult concept to understand?

Regardless of how health care services are paid for, what do you think the health care costs of the US would do if the cost of individual services and procedures was the same as those in Germany (not "set" by government, but as determined by the Market)?
Why do you think the prices for medical services in germany are set by the market?

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

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The point is, the costs in the US are rediculous and the fact that the US is the one first world country not to have a nationalized healthcare is idiotic.


What are the other first world countries?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
The whole idea that needing insurance to pay for those things is ludicrous.
Insurance is ludicrous???
Care to explane this asanine concept?

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If our costs were the same as they are in Germany, more people could afford to pay for them out of pocket, rather than requiring insurance for them to be affordable.
Anyone who is actually acquainted with the health care debate would know that the prices for medical care in countries with socialised medicine prices are fixed because of the socialised medicine...no profit = lower price.
Why is that such a difficult concept to understand?

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Regardless of how health care services are paid for, what do you think the health care costs of the US would do if the cost of individual services and procedures was the same as those in Germany (not "set" by government, but as determined by the Market)?
Why do you think the prices for medical services in germany are set by the market?

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Neat thing is that Eulero was stating that they see it as a right and their Constitution says it's a right. Perhaps that's where I get the idea that the Italian government is giving something? Nooooo, couldn't be that...

The u.s. constitution enumerates some rights does that mean that the u.s. govt gives us our rights?

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• Personal Responsibility
  
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ORIGINAL: Tkman117
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The point is, the costs in the US are rediculous and the fact that the US is the one first world country not to have a nationalized healthcare is idiotic. But, those thing aside, something needs to change in the US in terms of costs and availability of health care. I don't care and a lot of people dont care if some of you (DS), think that the ACA is the way to go. But you got to admit it's a change from the frustratingly high cost medical system. Maybe it's a good change, maybe it's a bad one, but either way it's gotten a ball rolling which down the road could lead to something everyone can agree on. For example making it an optional tax or something, and those who pay into the system are identified as those who have access to universal healthcare, thus not forcing people to pay for other people's health care when they don't want to. Whatever, it doesn't matter what the final outcome is. Most first world countries would agree this is a success for America (government shut down aside), and trying to stop the ACA will cause more damage than if they simply let it be. You might disagree with me, you might hate me, but this is one step the USA seems to be taking in the right direction. Good on you america, and DS, just thought I'd let you know it's always been conservative politics holding the world back, and no matter how hard you kick and scream, you'll always be forgotten and left in the dust

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• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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