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RE: BSDM Plantations? - 11/5/2013 11:40:43 AM

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If you want some true plantation education read the book "The Making of a Slave." by Willie Lynch. It is only 43 pages and guess what the word lynching came from the author's last name! He taught those Masters how to get and keep a slave for generations to come. Now that is some real plantation education for you.

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RE: BSDM Plantations? - 11/5/2013 11:43:50 AM

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I believe there is a thin line between exploration and exploitation. I believe this is on the line of exploitation.

Great for you, I have no problem whatsoever with you believing that as long as you:

A) realize that you believing it's so doesn't mean a thing, and there are tons of other people who absolutely don't share your belief
B) understand that despite you believing its exploitation these people have every right to engage in this behavior
C) acknowledge that believing that what they're doing is wrong doesn't give you the right to attempt to intervene
D) grok with all your being that you can sit on the sideline and judge all you want, but it's the sideline where that judging belongs
E) aren't offended that other people -both people engaging in the behavior in question, as well as those like me who have no interest in the behavior in question- don't give a fuck that you believe that other people's sexual habits are wrong

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RE: BSDM Plantations? - 11/5/2013 11:57:11 AM

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UllrsIshtar this conversation wasn't about what I thought. It was a conversation about a BDSM plantation that for some are finding controversial. Just so happens my visit to the movies on Sunday and hearing about this provoked a thought- to have a conversation about it with open-minded people on CM. I am sorry you cannot decipher between a intelligent conversation and personal opinion, and I don't mean that to insult. Just that;s what my post was about a controversial topic for discussion.

Now let me address my thoughts about it since I did put it out there. I do have thoughts about it. They are real- I am human and therefore have real thoughts about the topic. However, you misjudge the thoughts and reaction to the content with what I was trying to post.

If this topic makes you uncomfortable or you don't wish to speak about it with civility that is fine. But please don't ruin it for everyone. Thank you and have a nice whateverish.

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RE: BSDM Plantations? - 11/5/2013 11:58:35 AM

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If you want some true plantation education read the book "The Making of a Slave." by Willie Lynch. It is only 43 pages and guess what the word lynching came from the author's last name! He taught those Masters how to get and keep a slave for generations to come. Now that is some real plantation education for you.

I've read the book.Wanna play horsie? LOLOLOL.

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RE: BSDM Plantations? - 11/5/2013 12:01:26 PM

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mnottertail ROTFL as long as it is safe, sane, and consensual.

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RE: BSDM Plantations? - 11/5/2013 12:26:36 PM

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UllrsIshtar this conversation wasn't about what I thought. It was a conversation about a BDSM plantation that for some are finding controversial.

That's the thing though darling, this wasn't a conversation from the start, because you didn't pose the OP in a way to leave room for any conversation that didn't fit the agenda.

You basically said: I saw this movie and then read this article and think this is bad, what do you think?

When I then gave you my thoughts, and stated that I don't think it's a big deal, you went on to mischaracterize the subject of the article by claiming that the plantation is no limits, when it's very clearly and specifically stated that the complete opposite is the case. You then continued on that you find no limit play disturbing. To finally for good measure add the completely inaccurate statement that nobody would feel comfortable exploring Holocaust play erotically.

So your point through all this has been: "eeeeeew there are types of sexual behaviors other people engage in that make me feel uncomfortable!!!!" With the unwritten undertone of "make them stop!" -as is evident by your word choices exploitation, and your blatant and deliberate mischaracterization of the type of limits used.

Sorry that your dismissal of other people's sexual freedoms isn't going over well on a kink site.

If this stuff bothers you so much, the easiest solution is to not read about it. Hell, I have a foot phobia, and you don't see me deliberately looking up articles about foot-worship to then complain that it makes me feel uncomfortable and I find it disturbing.

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RE: BSDM Plantations? - 11/5/2013 12:54:40 PM

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mnottertail ROTFL as long as it is safe, sane, and consensual.

Ja, we got some trouble there, nothin I do is sane. Ask around.

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RE: BSDM Plantations? - 11/5/2013 1:11:28 PM

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He's lying. Ron's the lone voice of reason around here.

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RE: BSDM Plantations? - 11/6/2013 1:13:10 AM

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................. more than a century old. Better to get something like this. Or Google Lehman's. They sell a lot of old-timey articles like scythes and bucket yokes, plantation-grade gear.

That looks like it would be hard for a human pony to pull. What does 7HP translate to in people power?

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RE: BSDM Plantations? - 11/6/2013 4:27:49 AM

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Oh, dear....you had to ask:

http://sensorymetrics.com/2009/04/07/people-power-vs-horsepower/

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RE: BSDM Plantations? - 11/6/2013 12:52:27 PM

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Oh, dear....you had to ask:

http://sensorymetrics.com/2009/04/07/people-power-vs-horsepower/

Thank You!!

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RE: BSDM Plantations? - 11/6/2013 4:27:31 PM

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................. more than a century old. Better to get something like this. Or Google Lehman's. They sell a lot of old-timey articles like scythes and bucket yokes, plantation-grade gear.

That looks like it would be hard for a human pony to pull. What does 7HP translate to in people power?

The calculator is both right and wrong. The unit ships at what I recall is 184 pounds, which is probably (a lot) more than it weighs for a number of reasons. They recommend a 7HP or better tractor to pull, but remember, that tractor also has to propel itself at the same time it's pulling the mower with an estimated 200lb operator too. Most garden tractors tip the scales anywhere from 3-500 pounds alone. It wouldn't be easy for a human pony to do, especially with a 'rider' and the necessary mods for a seat, etc., but it wouldn't be overly difficult either. Obviously, they'd need 'practical' footwear for this exercise, as opposed to the kinds you see in the porn pics/videos, but that's a minor point.

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RE: BSDM Plantations? - 11/10/2013 7:41:00 PM

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No limit isn't technically no limit... The reality is there's always a choice, even subjecting yourself to a no limit situation is a choice.

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RE: BSDM Plantations? - 11/16/2013 11:46:30 AM

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I believe there is a thin line between exploration and exploitation. I believe this is on the line of exploitation.

Maybe some people are more aroused by edge play and are happy to be exploited. In fact consent to being exploited. There is a thin line between "play" and "for real." It is possible for some that safe, sane, consensual is vanilla-bdsm. Maybe for some abuse is desirable? Are you (generic) content to be a pretend masochist or a pretend slave?

I was interested in this paragraph from the article:

how do we separate more “healthy” types of race play from those encounters that are rooted in disdain for the Other and white supremacy. Are these just inter-personal contracts or do these types of sexual relationships gain power (and are made erotic) precisely because of how they signal to larger societal taboos?

Two good questions. Is it "unhealthy" if some people do not wish a separation? And to the second question: yes, precisely. They gain power because they signal larger societal taboos. That is the essence of wiitwd, I think. Otherwise, isn't bdsm role play just a charade?

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