Mxybunny
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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
"It's positively staggering that so many people made this same response. Really? Did none of you think it through at all?"
You might want to think about that statement for a bit. Maybe they know a bit more about what they are saying than you think they do.
That insinuation is utterly meritless without some kind of substantiation behind it. If a hundred dumbasses ask me directions to the place they are already at, I'm not going to infer from the pattern of questioning that I'm the one doing something wrong. It is entirely possible that there are simply a lot of people too insecure when it comes to this topic to really pay attention to what's being said. If you think I'm wrong, JUSTIFY it, using more than snide little remarks like this.
Two possible positions:
"I want to relieve my male burdens"
"women have no burdens"
I don't care how many people get hopelessly confused between the two, you're never going to find a way to satisfactorily explain why the onus is somehow on me when I made the FIRST position exactingly clear, and it doesn't even IMPLY the latter position, let alone resemble it in any way.
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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1
Mxybunny, you've still given almost no specifics about why you have the fetish, though you took a lot of time to call most of the people in this thread unintelligent.
Is that right? Well let me just say quote:
it's about LOSING masculinity.
Eh? What was that? Anyway, as I was saying...quote:
we love humiliation, and losing our sexual (gender) identity itself is the ultimate form of that There it is again... what is that?quote:
Emasculation, as a fetishistic desire, is about losing your masculinity. Gaahquote:
Others prefer a shift to the opposite end of the gender spectrum. It's hard to get more emasculated than by becoming a female. Gggurglequote:
The emasculation itself is the source of the pleasure, the clothing, the acting - that's just the means. quote:
We get off on being made into a girl because it lifts the burden of manhood and, like all forms of control play, allows us to liberate ourselves from the expectations and responsibilities that every day life imposes upon us. ...quote:
The crossdressing fetish contains elements of trans-fluidity. **Gaaaaasp**quote:
I am combining a humiliation fetish with a mild transsexual inkling. In that respect, it's absolutely no different from non-fetishistic crossdressers who also don't completely identify as female. I'm sorry I ...quote:
I am relinquishing the burdens of manhood by abandoning, temporarily, that gender. ... can't talk over ...quote:
The male stereotype is less forgiving because it calls for behavior that squashes emotional expression. This is another reason I find it liberating to abandon the male role. ... all the quotes... quote:
I get to become a woman, and that means I get to be openly honest about feelings like vulnerability and desire for affection. ... of me saying ...quote:
We do not look down on women even subconsciously, we idolize them to the point of emulation. ... All the things ...quote:
It's an imprinted erotic fixation. Something that brings joy and excitement to those who participate in it. ... that you claim I haven't expanded on at all...quote:
There are stereotypes across the board. We roleplay them because we desire to step out of our own stereotype and into another. That's the basis of all fantasy play.
Oh is it over? Phew! That was weird, huh? Maybe some cataclysmic force of nature was drawn in by your complete and utter disregarding of every single thing I spent two very thorough and detailed posts explaining with the blithe dismissal of a runaway train intent on finding the quickest way to crash it possibly can. For the record, I'm not snippy with everyone, just people who clearly have no interest in taking someone seriously while at the same time trying to goad responses out of them just so they have something new to not pay any attention to.
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What burdens of manhood are you relinquishing please? Is this right? Men pay for dates, women don't have to. Men have to make the first move and get rejected, women don't have to. Men have to succeed in a career instead of staying home, women don't have to. Men have to spend lots of nights alone, women can have sex whenever they want. What else?
No, no. Please. Do go on, Mrs. "no dog in the fight", please continue to regale me with your psychoanalysis of the modern male and your narrow-minded presumptions on all the petty little first-world privileged problems we must be burdened by, in a thread about sexual discrimination.
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What exactly are you escaping from, and why does dressing you like a sissy grant you that escape hatch?
Look, you actually CAN phrase a sensible question without injecting a bunch of venomous baggage into it! Well then, I'd better take the opportunity while it is available.
Men can't be pretty. We can be good-looking, "handsome" (whatever that means) and sexy, sure, but we can't simply explore that sugar and spice the way women can. We can't be as open about our emotions because life ingrains in us a certain stoicism that becomes so heavily conditioned that even when we want to, it's difficult to break out of that behavior. Men can't dance in those vivid, empowering and stunningly sexy ways that women can, at least not without getting a lot of funny looks. We simply can't experience the kind of strong, confident yet feminine beauty that is readily available to you.
If you think there aren't differences between the sexes, then you're a fool. It doesn't matter how you classify it, gender, gender identity, sex. Whatever. And I'm not saying there are only TWO to choose from (In fact those like me would be another point on that spectrum, but I don't want to confuse you so let's not get into that). But nevertheless, there ARE men, and there ARE women in this world. You can't deny that, and you can't acknowledging it without at the same time conceding that there are behaviors and traits which are specific to each gender. Those traits by which we can IDENTIFY a distinction.
So what do I want liberation from? Take your pick. You know in your own mind what makes a man, a man. So instead of trying to corner me into providing you with a check-list of things for you to argue against, why don't you tell ME what makes a man, and then you know exactly what the expectations are of my gender. You expect them too. And then you KNOW what I want to escape from sometimes. Not because it is any more burdensome than your own gender's traits, but simply because I live in a world where I can be whatever I want - why SHOULD I limit myself to just one gender? Why do I have to justify WANTING to escape the norm and be something different?
All this talk about gender equality and women chiding men like me because it's "not a big deal" when they wear boy clothes but it is when we wear girl clothes, etc. When does it finally sink in that that's the POINT. The feminine stigma is long dead. Not to say sexism doesn't still exist against women, but people don't give a crap any more how you look or how you act. We still have to live under the mandate of those restrictions, and sometimes I am TIRED of being restricted. Up until the 70's it was ILLEGAL even in the developed world for a man to dress as a woman. In some parts of the world, it's still an offense punishable by stoning.
I want to explore my feminine side, and I'm sick of being accused by FEMALES who I adore to the point of emulation that I am somehow wrong or prejudice for wanting to BE MORE LIKE THEM.
Re: your more recent post, I will give you some points for having some levels of basic understanding of fetishistic desire. Yes, they do imprint at an early age (usually) and yes they are often a coping mechanism. I was probably imprinted with humiliation fetish due to bullying at school. My gender fluidity however is no different than any trans person, I was born that way and exhibited signs of this before I even knew what bullying was. My crossdressing is NOT a sickness! Not everything is a scar. Nature and nurture both play a role in the formation of our sexual identity.
The fact is I enjoy the sensation of being female. It allows a vulnerable, more emotional side of me to come out to play. I get to be a different person for a short time and that's the best feeling ever. Yes I have a humiliation fetish, and who KNOWS where those come from? I don't fully understand fetishes any more than you do. Where do foot fetishes come from? What the fuck is up with vore? Or scat? It's so easy to judge something when you don't understand it, isn't it? Wherever they come from they are sparkling little glimmer of pure sexual joy that you learn to share with those you trust completely, and for me that's humiliation. I don't care if you don't understand it, or anyone else for that matter. At the end of the day, when I'm in that frame of mind, I'm just a girl who likes being made a slut. That's my kink, and I don't have to apologize for it.
Thank you for your time, and good day.
I'll keep this last minute response brief as I'm pretty much done feeling judged and disgusted for the day.
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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt
Mxybunny: You admit that forced fem is humiliating because you lose your masculinity. In other words, you gain femininity at the *cost* of masculinity. That you don't see that this has roots in misogyny is hugely obtuse of you.
I'm sorry you can't see the simple distinction I've been explaining over and over. But for the last time, it is by STRONG FEMALES I wish to be dominated. So if you're going to proposition me to justify how I can have this fetish without it being misogynistic, then I post the same dilemma to you. How can I be subservient to and adoring of women if I think they are lesser? All of this double talk is an attempt to hide one continuing contradiction.
If I am a woman, I have the right to be a pretty girly sub.
If I am a man, I don't have the right to be a pretty girly sub.
Which one of us is being sexist here, again?
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And before you go telling me I don't understand your kink, I've been involved with cds, the transgendered, and males who want to be feminized in some way for almost 40 years. The humiliation side to this as a kink (b/c mostly it's not kink, it's an issue with gender being so binary in most people's eyes), is *always* about a deep feeling of being lesser. And that *always* has it's roots in thinking females are somehow lesser.
Well I see your credentials are in order. I suppose I have nothing else I can say but... you DON'T understand my kink, and I can only surmise your unforgiving attempt at mind-reading my true motivations is the very same reason you've shockingly come to the conclusion that all the sissies you've dealt with in your 40 witch hunt were closet sexists. How surprising!
Guess what? You do NOT know what goes on in my mind, and when your best response to me telling you what IS going through my mind effectively boils down to "you're wrong cos I know better", you lose any claim to authority and all credibility in the discussion, irrespective of how many people happen to be backing your corner. You can't provide an actual argument why your view is right, only suspect anecdote about what you CLAIM to know about the thoughts of other people.
But at the end of the day you're coming here asking me what my personal views are and then telling me I'm wrong when I answer. It's amazing I've responded to this same proposition several times already without simply saying "you know what? Screw you."
< Message edited by Mxybunny -- 11/25/2013 6:51:36 AM >
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RE: Forced fem - Dommes what do you like about it?? - 
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