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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Study after study shows conservatives give more than "bleeding heart liberals" to charity.

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• Help for the truly needy
  
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

FR,

What would happen if the Federal Government, through the IRS decided that $75k was the minimum annual salary necessary? No taxes would be levied - at all - on your first $75k of income; no FICA, no SSI, nothing. Anything after that, though, would be taxed.

And, if you didn't make $75k, you'd have "refunds" to take you up to that amount.

Would this be an idyllic country, or would there be breakdowns in the social structure?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
FR,
What would happen if the Federal Government, through the IRS decided that $75k was the minimum annual salary necessary? No taxes would be levied - at all - on your first $75k of income; no FICA, no SSI, nothing. Anything after that, though, would be taxed.
And, if you didn't make $75k, you'd have "refunds" to take you up to that amount.
Would this be an idyllic country, or would there be breakdowns in the social structure?

Nixon tried a reverse income tax, what you are proposing but at a lower income level, it worked pretty well in the 4 pilot programs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_income_tax#Implementation
Basically working families, and you had to work to get the money, took 2 weeks vacation each year since they didn't need to work every day to reach the poverty level.
Even today we have the Earned Income Tax Credit which serves to the same basic purpose.

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• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie
An incentive for an entrepreneur is one thing.
At what point does it morph into an organizational cancer of mindlessly spiraling ever upward, that cannot be realistically sustained?

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• Limited Government
  
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

You see lucy lastic - thats exactly the problem. You talk the talk but you don't walk the walk.
No one is stopping you putting $.50 cents in the tip jar.

Study after study shows conservatives give more than "bleeding heart liberals" to charity.

Which reminds me of the old chestnut: "Remember when being liberal meant being generous with your OWN money?"

Liberals don't want to cough up money for social causes - they want to make *others* do it.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Study after study shows conservatives give more than "bleeding heart liberals" to charity.

Actually when you remove church giving from those studies, and most churches only qualify as a charity because of laws making them (most do little to no actual charity work), conservatives give less to charity.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2148033

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Study after study shows conservatives give more than "bleeding heart liberals" to charity.

Actually when you remove church giving from those studies, and most churches only qualify as a charity because of laws making them (most do little to no actual charity work), conservatives give less to charity.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2148033

Two attacks on your ridiculous opinion.

1. "Most churches only qualify as charity because of laws making them." (same as any charity actually).

Got any cite for your myopic opinion that most churches do no charity work?

2. So essentially you're saying, if you exclude any charity that *you* don't agree with, conservatives give less.

A page right out of Odummo's page book. You know, where he is trying to prevent conservative groups organizing as charities.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie
An incentive for an entrepreneur is one thing.
At what point does it morph into an organizational cancer of mindlessly spiraling ever upward, that cannot be realistically sustained?

Profits? Profits are mindlessly spiraling ever upward? Do tell.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Study after study shows conservatives give more than "bleeding heart liberals" to charity.

Actually when you remove church giving from those studies, and most churches only qualify as a charity because of laws making them (most do little to no actual charity work), conservatives give less to charity.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2148033

Two attacks on your ridiculous opinion.

1. "Most churches only qualify as charity because of laws making them." (same as any charity actually).

Got any cite for your myopic opinion that most churches do no charity work?

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Study after study shows conservatives give more than "bleeding heart liberals" to charity.

Actually when you remove church giving from those studies, and most churches only qualify as a charity because of laws making them (most do little to no actual charity work), conservatives give less to charity.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2148033

Two attacks on your ridiculous opinion.

1. "Most churches only qualify as charity because of laws making them." (same as any charity actually).

Got any cite for your myopic opinion that most churches do no charity work?

2. So essentially you're saying, if you exclude any charity that *you* don't agree with, conservatives give less.

A page right out of Odummo's page book. You know, where he is trying to prevent conservative groups organizing as charities.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Study after study shows conservatives give more than "bleeding heart liberals" to charity.

Actually when you remove church giving from those studies, and most churches only qualify as a charity because of laws making them (most do little to no actual charity work), conservatives give less to charity.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2148033

Two attacks on your ridiculous opinion.

1. "Most churches only qualify as charity because of laws making them." (same as any charity actually).

Got any cite for your myopic opinion that most churches do no charity work?

No church has ever been on this groups list of researched and vetted top charities:
http://www.givewell.org/

You can also spend some time on
http://www.charitynavigator.org/
And you will find very few churches or religious organizations with high ratings.

At the individual church level, the donations pay for the church employees and upkeep of the church and the minister's residence none of which strikes me as charity work.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Study after study shows conservatives give more than "bleeding heart liberals" to charity.

Actually when you remove church giving from those studies, and most churches only qualify as a charity because of laws making them (most do little to no actual charity work), conservatives give less to charity.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2148033

Two attacks on your ridiculous opinion.

1. "Most churches only qualify as charity because of laws making them." (same as any charity actually).

Got any cite for your myopic opinion that most churches do no charity work?

No church has ever been on this groups list of researched and vetted top charities:
http://www.givewell.org/

You can also spend some time on
http://www.charitynavigator.org/
And you will find very few churches or religious organizations with high ratings.

At the individual church level, the donations pay for the church employees and upkeep of the church and the minister's residence none of which strikes me as charity work.

Our church sets aside a portion of what's collected for missions and charities. If you want your whole donation to go to that you just write it on the envelope. Same goes for those I have gone to in the past I find it hard to believe they are the only ones.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Study after study shows conservatives give more than "bleeding heart liberals" to charity.

Actually when you remove church giving from those studies, and most churches only qualify as a charity because of laws making them (most do little to no actual charity work), conservatives give less to charity.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2148033

Two attacks on your ridiculous opinion.

1. "Most churches only qualify as charity because of laws making them." (same as any charity actually).

Got any cite for your myopic opinion that most churches do no charity work?

No church has ever been on this groups list of researched and vetted top charities:
http://www.givewell.org/

You can also spend some time on
http://www.charitynavigator.org/
And you will find very few churches or religious organizations with high ratings.

At the individual church level, the donations pay for the church employees and upkeep of the church and the minister's residence none of which strikes me as charity work.

Our church sets aside a portion of what's collected for missions and charities. If you want your whole donation to go to that you just write it on the envelope. Same goes for those I have gone to in the past I find it hard to believe they are the only ones.

Missions are simply a recruiting tool. I don't see that as charitable either. As to directed tithing, do you really believe that if the all the church goers did so that the church would stop paying the minister and maintaining the church and the minister's residence?

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
As to whether or not you consider missions to be charity or not they people receiving the assistance seem very happy with it and I doubt they care what you call it.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
As to whether or not you consider missions to be charity or not they people receiving the assistance seem very happy with it and I doubt they care what you call it.

You mean the people they convert and then tell you about appreciate it. The rest? I get a visit at least once a quarter from Mormon missionaries and I can assure you I do not appreciate it.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
As to whether or not you consider missions to be charity or not they people receiving the assistance seem very happy with it and I doubt they care what you call it.

You mean the people they convert and then tell you about appreciate it. The rest? I get a visit at least once a quarter from Mormon missionaries and I can assure you I do not appreciate it.

I've never met a mormon missionary so I can't speak about those. You seem to be under the impression that all mission programs only help people who are willing to convert and that is far from the truth. Maybe you should do some research and find out what you are talking about before you judge them. But I won't hold my breath.

and Ron is right, this has nothing to do with minimum wage and as far as I am concerned the thread drift is over.