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At the conclusion of the War of Independence, in 1949, all of the Arab countries who invaded Israel signed cease fire agreements with Israel

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ORIGINAL: herfacechair

EnglishDomNW: Hezbollah did not steal the land. Israel did.

Israel did not steal the land that Hezbolla raided to try to kidnap Israelis standing guard at their northern border.  Now, if you take my statement, which you quoted, you will see that I mentioned Israel’s northern positions, and the fact that Hezbollah attacked Israel’s northern positions prior t this mess happening. 

Your point about who stole what is a non issue, here is why:

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1948to1967_land_1948.php

These lines were agreed upon by the combatants:

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At the conclusion of the War of Independence, in 1949, all of the Arab countries who invaded Israel signed cease fire agreements with Israel

No stealing going on here, the border with Lebanon was restored to its previous line. 

Now, which side of Israel did Hezbollah attack from? Which side of Israel are their troops amassing on?

The agreed upon territorial boundary with Lebanon perhaps?

Also, the Palestinians had an opportunity to have more than what they currently have, but they blew it when they - and their Arab allies - attacked Israel.

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EnglishDomNW  Israel knows what it needs to do too.

That is as asinine as saying that the U.S. knows “what it needs to do” to prevent Al-Qaeda from attacking it again, you know, starting with our mass conversion to Bin Laden’s version of radical Islam.

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Saying that Israel “knows what it needs to do too” is like saying that the U.K. knew what it had to do to prevent Germany from attacking its shipping - like surrendering to the Nazis right off the bat. 

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Now that they are on a roll, that they have the upper hand, THEY are the ones that set the terms for when THEY stop.  Hezbolla has no other recourse but to meet Israeli demands, or continually get attacked. 

EnglishDomNW  The Palestinians are entitled to make demands. 

ROTFLMFAO!  That is like someone saying that kids have a right to set demands to their parents!  They could make demands all they want, the Israelis are entitled to dismiss their demands, especially when it threatens Israel’s existence.  All they have to do is recognize Israel’s right to exist, and be satisfied with just the occupied territories. 

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EnglishDomNW  It's their land Israel is squatting on.

No it is not, it belongs to Israel. 
 
Their borders not including the occupied territories are internationally accepted as Israel’s borders.  Even the surrounding Arab countries recognize their borders.  Had the Palestinians and the surrounding Arab countries accepted the UN proposal, they would have had more than just the occupied territories.  Keep in mind that both Jews and Arabs lived in Palestine and considered themselves Palestinians.  When Israel was established, many of the next generation started to see themselves as Israelis.

EnglishDomNW: Curious that Hamas has no intentions of recognising Israel's right to exist.  The Torah refuses to recognise the same thing.  The Jewish religion itself refuses to recognise Israel's right to exist.  In fact, Israel's very existence today carries with it a very grave response from God Himself just by existing.  He will lead the Jews back to Israel, not the Zionists.

Do you see how you pawned yourself here?

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First, there is a difference between something being said in a book that not everybody takes literally, and a charter law that is used to dictate ongoing official organization policy. 

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Hezbolla, Hamas, etc, could rectify this problem by NOT using ambulances as military transport. 

Quoted again.  Enjoy reading
 
If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" - David Ben Gurion.
 
Finally, let me ask you to answer a direct question with a direct answer.  That means with a Yes or a No.
 
Does the Torah forbid the state of Israel to exist in its current form, Yes....or No.  Answer in one word please. (I bet you won't)  

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The problem with your argument is that 750,000 Arab Christians and Muslims were expelled from their homes and lands in 1948 by Zionists. To start anywhere else in the history of this conflict is futile because the other side can always point to some incident before the one you choose to start at.

The idea was that the land was supposed to be split by agreement. The Zionist refused to wait for an agreement and started expelling Arabs before the British had even left Palestine. More shame on the British and it is shameful now that Blair is cheering Israel on while refusing to acknowledge the wrongs that the Zionists did and the culpability of the British in the plight of the Palestinians.

My best friend's father, mother and his two eldst siblings were expelled from their home at gunpoint by Zionists and made to walk 40 miles or so with his children on his back and what few belogings he could carry. He was lucky because he had contacts and managed to get a British passport and went to Britian and on to Canada where he made a success of himself. However, he still died an angry man and he said he was not angry because of what was taken from him but the fact that the Zionists have never been big enough to admit what they did while demonizing those innocent people they stole the land from.

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado 

So pointing out the Holocaust is futile?  Or you''ve been ignoring it because it makes your cherry picked starting point pale by comparison?

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ORIGINAL: irishbynature

Chicks Go Platinum

 

This might be my fault, I buy their CD every time herfacechair makes me laugh. 

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It wasn't the Arabs that were guilty of anti-semeticism or of the holocaust, they will be only bothered about their homes and land stolen from them.

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You need to take your 'arguments' over to Stormfront, they are familiar material there..

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His anti-British and anti-Semitic venom found a receptive audience among a rising Palestinian middle class, ironically an offspring of economic activity stimulated by Jews, who looked to the Mufti for political leadership. He directed squads of hit men to attack Jewish settlements and assassinate moderate Arabs who urged compromise, men increasingly marginalized by the recrudescence of Islamic fundamentalism. As President of the Supreme Muslim Council, the most authoritative Palestinian religious body, the Mufti controlled appointments to Muslim schools, courts, and significant trust funds that he used, among other things, to spread his message in Iraq and Syria, and to purchase arms.

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There is also evidence the mufti advised and assisted his German hosts in the destruction of European Jewry. His importance “must not be disregarded,” insisted Adolf Eichmann’s deputy Dieter Wisliceny in 1941. “The Mufti had repeatedly suggested to the various authorities with whom he was maintaining contact, above all to Hitler, Ribbentrop, and Himmler, the extermination of European Jewry.” At the Nuremberg Trials, Wisliceny was even more explicit: “The mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan. He was one of Eichmann’s best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say that, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chamber of Auschwitz.” On this visit to Auschwitz, al-Husseini reportedly “admonished the guards running the gas chambers to work more diligently.”

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According to documentation from the Nuremberg and Eichmann trials, the Nazi Germany SS helped finance al-Husseini's efforts in the 1936-1939 revolt in Palestine. Adolf Eichmann actually visited Palestine and met with al-Husseini at that time and subsequently maintained regular contact with him later in Berlin.
In 1940, al-Husseini requested the Axis powers to acknowledge the Arab right "... to settle the question of Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries in accordance with the national and racial interests of the Arabs and along the lines similar to those used to solve the Jewish question in Germany and Italy.".....

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In the annual protest against the Balfour Declaration held in 1943 at the Luftwaffe hall in Berlin, the Mufti praised the Germans because they "know how to get rid of the Jews, and that brings us close to the Germans and sets us in their camp is that, up to today."
Echoing Muhammad after the battle of Badr, on March 1, 1944 the Mufti called in a broadcast from Berlin:
"Arabs! Rise as one and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history and religion. This saves your honor."  

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  The roots of the Muslim Brotherhood — and, in many ways, the Nazi-Muslim axis — go back to the organization's formation in Egypt in 1928.
Marking the start of modern political Islam, or what is often referred to as "Islamic fundamentalism," the Brotherhood from the outset envisioned a time when an Islamic state would prevail in Egypt and other Arab countries, where the organization quickly established local branches.
....Advocating a pan-Islamic insurgency in British-controlled Palestine, the Brotherhood proclaimed their support for the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin Al-Husseini, in the late 1930s.
The Grand Mufti, the preeminent religious figure among Palestinian Muslims, was the most notable Arab leader to seek an alliance with Nazi Germany, which was eager to extend its influence in the Middle East.
Although he loathed Arabs (he once described them as "lacquered half-apes who ought to be whipped"), Hitler understood that he and the Mufti shared the same rivals — the British, the Jews and the Communists.
Indicative of the old Arab adage, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend," they met in Berlin, where the Mufti lived in exile during the war.
The Mufti agreed to help organize a special Muslim division of the Waffen SS. Powerful radio transmitters were put at the Mufti's disposal so that his pro-Axis propaganda could be heard throughout the Arab world.
.....Johannes von Leers, one of the Third Reich's most prolific Jew-baiters, who converted to Islam and changed his name to Omar Amin after he took up residence in Cairo in 1955.
"If there is any hope to free the world from Jewish tyranny," Amin wrote Thompson, "it is with the Moslems, who stand steadfastly against Zionism, Colonialism and Imperialism."
Formerly Goebbels' right-hand man, Amin became a top official in the Egyptian Information Ministry, which employed several European fascists who churned out hate literature and anti-Jewish broadcasts.
Another German expatriate, Louis Heiden, alias Louis Al-Hadj, translated Hitler's Mein Kampf into Arabic.
The Egyptian government also published The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the infamous anti-Semitic forgery that purports to reveal a Jewish master plan for taking over the world.
A staple of Nazi propaganda, the Protocols also are quoted in Article 32 of the charter of Hamas, the hard-line Palestinian fundamentalist group that is supported by the Muslim Brotherhood

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One influential Islamic leader, Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, was so obsessed with his hatred of Jews that he became a close friend of the Third Reich. Spending much of World War II in Germany, al-Husseini collaborated with the architects of the Holocaust, recruited Muslims to the SS, and served as a spokesman for Hitler on Arabic radio, telling his listeners, “Kill the Jews wherever you find them.”
After the collapse of Nazi Germany, Timmerman reports, al-Husseini was indicted for war crimes but fled to France and later to Egypt. Although living in exile, he continued in his role as unofficial leader of the Arab nationalist movement and became, not surprisingly, a fierce opponent of the state of Israel. Upon his death in 1974, he was succeeded by his nephew, disciple, and protégé, a young man who came to be known to the world as Yasser Arafat. As recently as last year, Arafat referred to al-Husseini as “our hero.”