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DesideriScuri -> RE: End ABSTINANCE "education"! ( Since it's not science and all... ) (1/3/2014 12:13:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsMJAY
Because, what you call sex is vastly different from what someone else may call it. Much like what I call practicing religion is vastly different from what some other person may call it. According to the individual's beliefs and interpretation, they may be abstaining. Even on this site, every time the question comes up about whether or not BDSM is sex, we get lots of different answers. We can't get adults on a kink site to all agree on what is or is not sex. That gives us an idea how society in general will also have different interpretations of it.


Seriously?!? You're going to trot out this bullshit defense?!? Who do you think you are, Bill Clinton?!? [8|]

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ORIGINAL: MsMJAY
Use to use, abstinence is definitely NOT more effecting than other forms of birth control. Because in between abstinence use, they will be having unprotected sex. Use to use is exactly how people practicing abstinence are getting pregnant.
Coming from the state with the highest STD, Pregnancy and infant mortality rate, I want my daughter to be fully educated on how to protect herself. As long as she is of legal age of consent and protects herself, I am not overly concerned about when she chooses to have sex. Its something I know I cannot control.


"In between abstinence use..." means that they aren't abstaining from sex. You can't blame abstinence for someone getting pregnant when they are having sex (aka, not abstaining).

As far as you wanting your daughter to be fully educated on how to protect herself, we actually completely agree, which is something I've been saying for a week now?



MsMJAY -> RE: End ABSTINANCE "education"! ( Since it's not science and all... ) (1/3/2014 1:42:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: MsMJAY
Because, what you call sex is vastly different from what someone else may call it. Much like what I call practicing religion is vastly different from what some other person may call it. According to the individual's beliefs and interpretation, they may be abstaining. Even on this site, every time the question comes up about whether or not BDSM is sex, we get lots of different answers. We can't get adults on a kink site to all agree on what is or is not sex. That gives us an idea how society in general will also have different interpretations of it.


Seriously?!? You're going to trot out this bullshit defense?!? Who do you think you are, Bill Clinton?!? [8|]


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ORIGINAL: MsMJAY
Use to use, abstinence is definitely NOT more effecting than other forms of birth control. Because in between abstinence use, they will be having unprotected sex. Use to use is exactly how people practicing abstinence are getting pregnant.
Coming from the state with the highest STD, Pregnancy and infant mortality rate, I want my daughter to be fully educated on how to protect herself. As long as she is of legal age of consent and protects herself, I am not overly concerned about when she chooses to have sex. Its something I know I cannot control.


"In between abstinence use..." means that they aren't abstaining from sex. You can't blame abstinence for someone getting pregnant when they are having sex (aka, not abstaining).

As far as you wanting your daughter to be fully educated on how to protect herself, we actually completely agree, which is something I've been saying for a week now?



You call it bullshit and you can call me Bill if you like. I call it to each his own. And I did not "trot out" anything; I mentioned earlier in this thread that people (especially teenagers) can have different definitions for what "sex" and "abstaining" mean.

How many different answers do we get on these boards when someone asks "Is BDSM sex?" For reference here is the most recent thread I can find where that question is addressed http://www.collarchat.com/m_4594174/mpage_1/tm.htm

You say they are not abstaining. They may say they are abstaining. It is THEIR belief system.

That is what everyone has been trying to get you to understand. It is not a birth control method. It is a philosophy of life based on personal beliefs. As such people (even people on a BDSM site) can and do interpret "sex" and "abstaining" in many different ways; as they do with any belief system....yes, seriously.



DesideriScuri -> RE: End ABSTINANCE "education"! ( Since it's not science and all... ) (1/3/2014 1:59:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsMJAY
You call it bullshit and you can call me Bill if you like. I call it to each his own. And I did not "trot out" anything; I mentioned earlier in this thread that people (especially teenagers) can have different definitions for what "sex" and "abstaining" mean.
How many different answers do we get on these boards when someone asks "Is BDSM sex?" For reference here is the most recent thread I can find where that question is addressed http://www.collarchat.com/m_4594174/mpage_1/tm.htm
You say they are not abstaining. They may say they are abstaining. It is THEIR belief system.
That is what everyone has been trying to get you to understand. It is not a birth control method. It is a philosophy of life based on personal beliefs. As such people (even people on a BDSM site) can and do interpret "sex" and "abstaining" in many different ways; as they do with any belief system....yes, seriously.


I will call it bullshit, because it is.

How is it you can't understand that by choosing to not have sex, you are preventing pregnancy? It's a choice. It's very effective.

Birth control doesn't require that one is actively engaging in sex. That's your misunderstanding. And, not surprising to me, we'd likely agree on methods of making sex safer and less risky.



SlipSlidingAway -> RE: End ABSTINANCE "education"! ( Since it's not science and all... ) (1/3/2014 2:18:35 PM)

People seem to be hung up on two things here: the term "sex" and the fact that each instance of "intercourse" is a separate encounter.

So, let's change "sex" to "intercourse". Does anyone here really think that abstinence is less effective at causing pregnancy during "intercourse" than condoms?

The moment you engage in "intercourse" abstinence ceases to be a form of birth control during that particular encounter (equally, employing condoms for birth control is not condom usage IF you don't use it during a particular encounter). Sure, you can certainly go back to practicing abstinence (or using a condom) AFTER the fact, but during the act, if you are not utilizing some other method, you are engaging in 100% unprotected sex which can, and does, lead to pregnancy.

Take it from the parent of a "one hit wonder" (who I don't regret for a moment and consider a blessing)- only ONE instance of not abstaining doth occasionally a baby make.



Apocalypso -> RE: End ABSTINANCE "education"! ( Since it's not science and all... ) (1/3/2014 2:23:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
I doubt you can seriously show that licentiousness leads to greater teenage graduation; math or literary achievement.


True, but I can absolutely show that comprehensive sex education from a young age both reduces the rate of teenage pregnancy and raises the average age teenagers have sex.

Both are true of the Dutch; the Netherlands has the lowest rate of teenage pregnancy in Western Europe.

So let's look at what they're doing, as it obviously works. They provide sex education in schools from ages 5 upwards (which you'd previously said you're against). That includes the physical side of sex and things like how to put on a condom. That's actually a pretty small part of the Dutch model though, although it's what gets attention in the international press. More importantly, they encourage discussion and debate on the moral and emotional implications of sex.

And, to repeat, it works. And abstinence education (as opposed to empowering young people with the right to choose to say no) has repeatedly been shown not to. So, if we want to reduce teen pregnancies, this is what we need. Obviously, you may still not be happy with the idea of sex education, especially for such young students. But then we at least have to accept that you're placing ideological considerations over reducing teen pregnancy. Which then, in my book, means you don't really have the right to claim that you care about the latter.



DomKen -> RE: End ABSTINANCE "education"! ( Since it's not science and all... ) (1/3/2014 2:48:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
But you continue to argue that abstinence is effective at stopping pregnancy and the spread of STD's despite overwhelming evidence that it is not. The only way it is is if the people who claim to be abstinent are 100% perfect and honest. However when the same statement is made about condoms you are more than happy to bring up improper usage and people failing to actually use a condom when they claim they use it.
So why the double standard?

Where have I brought up people failing to actually use a condom?
When you use a condom during intercourse, the risk of the condom breaking or it's not being used properly goes with the territory. You can choose to use a condom, and, through no choice of your own, the condom breaks, and you have an increased risk of pregnancy and/or STD transmission.
Compare that with abstinence. If you are abstaining from intercourse, there is nothing that goes wrong without your choice. I acknowledge there is still a risk of STD transmission because kissing isn't considered sex, and STD's can be transmitted via saliva.
So, please show me how abstaining from sexual intercourse results in more pregnancies than any other non-sterilizing form of birth control.

Because, just like condom usage, practicing abstinence is not perfect. That is the point people have been making to you for many pages now.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/birth-control/abstinence-4215.htm
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    How Effective Is Abstinence?
    Used continuously, abstinence is 100 percent effective in preventing pregnancy. It also prevents STDs.[/quote

http://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-control/birth-control-condoms?page=2
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    How Effective Are Male Condoms at Birth Control?
    Condoms are about 85% effective for birth control. With careful use, they are even more effective. Keep in mind that the best way to avoid getting pregnant is to not have sex (abstinence).

Note the bolded phrases. Note how that makes my point that you claim to be disputing.


They don't make your point. They support my point, even.

If you have sex, you aren't abstaining from sex. Period. There is no other way that can be decided on. As soon as you have sex, you aren't abstaining and your "continuous use" is no longer there. How do you not get this?

Also note that I have never questioned that proper condom use is a very effective method of pregnancy prevention. According to a box of condoms I have, less than 2 women out of 100 will become pregnant over the course of a year will become pregnant with correct and consistent use of a condom.

Apply that to abstinence, and just how quickly does your basis vanish (though your argument won't vanish, I'm sure)?

Right now, you're arguing that not having sex is less effective at preventing pregnancy than having sex. I can't even fathom how someone arrives at that notion.

And if I am using condoms as my BC method and fail to wear one....



eulero83 -> RE: End ABSTINANCE "education"! ( Since it's not science and all... ) (1/3/2014 2:52:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

"Age of consent" doesn't necessarily mean that a person has matured enough to be an adult. Moving on from that, who is responsible for a pregnancy stemming from two people who aren't ready to deal with the potential consequences of sex?

This is where the "personal responsibility" thing comes in. I want my boys to be ready to deal with a pregnancy before engaging in the activity that could result in a pregnancy. They don't have to be materially set for life, or be married, or have the nursery all ready to go. The responsibilities that go along with a pregnancy are such that I want my boys to be mature enough to handle them. This is one area too many men in the US weren't raised properly, imo. I went to school with a gal that had a son out of wedlock. She has raised the boy (to this point) alone and without any help from the father. From my point of view, that is a failing on his part. If my boys get a girl pregnant, I expect them to be supportive and involved in the results of that fertilization (while I hope they don't choose to abort, I will expect them to be supportive in that process, too, if it is the one chosen).

Perhaps you're okay with your kid getting pregnant (or getting a girl pregnant) and dealing with the consequences yourself. That's great; for you. I'd rather one of my kids not put me, his mom, her mom/dad, or families in that situation.

I expect my sons to accept the responsibilities of their actions. That doesn't mean I won't help them through tough times, but it does mean I'd rather them be ready for the responsibility and have reasoned their actions out ahead of time.


Age of consent means you understand what you are doing, so you are not to be trated like a pet when it comes to sex. And from my experience and the one of all the people my age I know, I'm aware you can avoid a pregnancy even without practising abstinence with effective birth control methods, so if I'll have kids I won't be so naive to suppose they won't have sex before marriage, so if I'll have a daugther paying for her contraceptive pill, I'll be more warried when they will begin to drive.
If a pregnancy will occuor than than yes I'll give them all the help I can, but with proper birth control use it is not so easy to get a pregnancy.



eulero83 -> RE: End ABSTINANCE "education"! ( Since it's not science and all... ) (1/3/2014 3:06:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Many cultures strongly dissuade sex before marriage; and sex while young. I don't think you can make the statistical case the the residents of these nations are more or less psychologically stable, well adjusted, or happy.



Not a statistic but I won't say that high violent crime rates, high incarceration rates, high drug abure rates, teenagers that try to slaughter their fellow students on a monthly base are sympthoms of a happy and well adjusted society...



Phydeaux -> RE: End ABSTINANCE "education"! ( Since it's not science and all... ) (1/3/2014 3:08:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Apocalypso


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
I doubt you can seriously show that licentiousness leads to greater teenage graduation; math or literary achievement.


True, but I can absolutely show that comprehensive sex education from a young age both reduces the rate of teenage pregnancy and raises the average age teenagers have sex.



Actually, I doubt you can show that.
For the record, I have no doubt that you can show that countries that have comprehensive sex education have lower rates of teen pregnancy.

What I dispute is the causality. That comprehensive sex education CAUSES lower rates of teen pregnancy.

It is pretty widely noted that pregnancy rates go down as women enter the workforce and as a country develops. I suspect that both sex education and teen pregnancies are trailing indicators; ie., that they both are co-related symptoms of things like labor force participation; population density; etc.

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Both are true of the Dutch; the Netherlands has the lowest rate of teenage pregnancy in Western Europe.

So let's look at what they're doing, as it obviously works.

Not so obvious to me.

I'm not sure that reducing your pregnancy rate to below the replacement rate is actually a long-term viable solution. It *seems* to be a recipe for the elimination of an active, vital, dutch culture and its replacement with something else. For example a muslim culture.

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They provide sex education in schools from ages 5 upwards (which you'd previously said you're against).


I think a better summation of my position is that I'm opposed to AMERICAN schools, with a proven track record of failure, providing sex education.
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That includes the physical side of sex and things like how to put on a condom. That's actually a pretty small part of the Dutch model though, although it's what gets attention in the international press. More importantly, they encourage discussion and debate on the moral and emotional implications of sex.

And, to repeat, it works. And abstinence education (as opposed to empowering young people with the right to choose to say no) has repeatedly been shown not to.


I'll not repeat my points merely because you've restated yours. See my previous objections.







MsMJAY -> RE: End ABSTINANCE "education"! ( Since it's not science and all... ) (1/3/2014 3:23:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: MsMJAY
You call it bullshit and you can call me Bill if you like. I call it to each his own. And I did not "trot out" anything; I mentioned earlier in this thread that people (especially teenagers) can have different definitions for what "sex" and "abstaining" mean.
How many different answers do we get on these boards when someone asks "Is BDSM sex?" For reference here is the most recent thread I can find where that question is addressed http://www.collarchat.com/m_4594174/mpage_1/tm.htm
You say they are not abstaining. They may say they are abstaining. It is THEIR belief system.
That is what everyone has been trying to get you to understand. It is not a birth control method. It is a philosophy of life based on personal beliefs. As such people (even people on a BDSM site) can and do interpret "sex" and "abstaining" in many different ways; as they do with any belief system....yes, seriously.


I will call it bullshit, because it is.

How is it you can't understand that by choosing to not have sex, you are preventing pregnancy? It's a choice. It's very effective.

Birth control doesn't require that one is actively engaging in sex. That's your misunderstanding. And, not surprising to me, we'd likely agree on methods of making sex safer and less risky.



Of course you can call it bullshit. There are people who think your belief system is bullshit as well.

How can you not understand that choosing abstinence is not birth control but entirely belief (or faith) based?

I have no misunderstanding about birth control. I probably understand it better than you. I have used just about every form of it available and have never once had an unwanted pregnancy or an STD.



Hillwilliam -> RE: End ABSTINANCE "education"! ( Since it's not science and all... ) (1/3/2014 3:29:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux




Actually, I doubt you can show that.
For the record, I have no doubt that you can show that countries that have comprehensive sex education have lower rates of teen pregnancy.

What I dispute is the causality. That comprehensive sex education CAUSES lower rates of teen pregnancy.

It is pretty widely noted that pregnancy rates go down as women enter the workforce and as a country develops. I suspect that both sex education and teen pregnancies are trailing indicators; ie., that they both are co-related symptoms of things like labor force participation; population density; etc.



Fascinating. When you are talking climate change, you DEMAND causality.


When you are talking teenage pregnancy rates, you pooh pooh the demonstrated causality that others produce.

Hypocrisy much?

Bottom line kids.

Abstinence education keeps kids from having sex as much as drivers ed keeps em from speeding.



Phydeaux -> RE: End ABSTINANCE "education"! ( Since it's not science and all... ) (1/3/2014 3:40:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: eulero83


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Many cultures strongly dissuade sex before marriage; and sex while young. I don't think you can make the statistical case the the residents of these nations are more or less psychologically stable, well adjusted, or happy.



Not a statistic but I won't say that high violent crime rates, high incarceration rates, high drug abure rates, teenagers that try to slaughter their fellow students on a monthly base are sympthoms of a happy and well adjusted society...


So when a man in norway slaughters 80 teens its a proof that sex education in action eh?



eulero83 -> RE: End ABSTINANCE "education"! ( Since it's not science and all... ) (1/3/2014 3:50:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: eulero83


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Many cultures strongly dissuade sex before marriage; and sex while young. I don't think you can make the statistical case the the residents of these nations are more or less psychologically stable, well adjusted, or happy.



Not a statistic but I won't say that high violent crime rates, high incarceration rates, high drug abure rates, teenagers that try to slaughter their fellow students on a monthly base are sympthoms of a happy and well adjusted society...


So when a man in norway slaughters 80 teens its a proof that sex education in action eh?



"on a monthly base" and "rates" not one episode



Phydeaux -> RE: End ABSTINANCE "education"! ( Since it's not science and all... ) (1/3/2014 3:58:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux




Actually, I doubt you can show that.
For the record, I have no doubt that you can show that countries that have comprehensive sex education have lower rates of teen pregnancy.

What I dispute is the causality. That comprehensive sex education CAUSES lower rates of teen pregnancy.

It is pretty widely noted that pregnancy rates go down as women enter the workforce and as a country develops. I suspect that both sex education and teen pregnancies are trailing indicators; ie., that they both are co-related symptoms of things like labor force participation; population density; etc.



Fascinating. When you are talking climate change, you DEMAND causality.


When you are talking teenage pregnancy rates, you pooh pooh the demonstrated causality that others produce.

Hypocrisy much?

Bottom line kids.

Abstinence education keeps kids from having sex as much as drivers ed keeps em from speeding.


Duh.

Global warming is an assertion that human emitted Co2 is causing the world to get warmer. That question is one of causality; it is a discussion of proof therefore the argument is one of data, proof, causlity etc.

Comprehensive sex education (in the us) is a suggested policy.
When you state that this as a prescription for social policy I will debate whether we *should* do it.

Ie., societally, I accept that comprehensive sex education promotes sexuality, and is correlated with a delay in onset of being sexually active. Should we?

Personally, I don't think this should be a federal solution. Liberal groups are going to want to push comprehensive sex education and I think that should be an option in some areas. Religious groups want to preach their religious values. That should be possible as well.

In other words, I don't see a compelling federal interest, that remove the decision from the laboratories of the states etc.

Now, when one takes the argument out of what we *should* do, and into the province of "does comprehensive sex education reduce teen pregnancy rates" then it once again becomes a question of causality. I initially posted only to dispute the posting that abstinence has never been shown to work. Factually inaccurate. Other than that I had no real interest at first.






freedomdwarf1 -> RE: End ABSTINANCE "education"! ( Since it's not science and all... ) (1/3/2014 3:59:35 PM)

FR~

It is also interesting as a side-issue, those countries that are less religion-centric, socially more open, and teach some form of sex education at younger ages, have lower teen pregnancies and also lower rape crimes.

The two highest-rated countries where religion clouds sex education into obscurity and general thinking appear to want abstinance observed and sex swept under the carpet are.......
TADA!!!   India and the US.
And guess who is #1, top of the list with rape crimes?
The US of A no less.

From the site
"...This super power is at the first position in the race of rapes. Males are majorly the rapist holding a proportion of 99%. Out of all the victims, 91% are females while 9% are males. Out of all, only 16% of the total cases are reported. Outdoor rape is not common in USA rather most of the rape cases takes place inside homes. Girls in the villages are at risk more than those living in populated cities. Almost the quarter of the college girls are reported to be the raped ones mostly at the age of 14"

Source: http://listtoptens.com/top-10-countries-with-highest-rape-crime/

Thailand, a very sexual country where just about anything goes, including child sex, is only 10th.
Sweden, one of the most sexually liberal of first-world countries comes a lowly 7th.
Canada comes in at #5.
The UK rolls in at #3.



PeonForHer -> RE: End ABSTINANCE "education"! ( Since it's not science and all... ) (1/3/2014 3:59:59 PM)

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Abstinence education keeps kids from having sex as much as drivers ed keeps em from speeding.


. . . In the same way that telling kids that cigarettes are bad for them stops them smoking.

It's almost endearing, in a way. There's this picture of a world, held by crinkly coffin-dodgers who wear spotless white blouses and shirts and ties (though smelling of piss), in which it's fondly imagined that children look up to their elders - to their teachers, to their church ministers, and to their government - and absorb this deepest wisdom that's purveyed by such sages.

This world only exists in the minds of certain silly old rightie farty minds. Oldie-Righties are forever concerned about the 'message that is being sent out' (by government, etc, etc.). Heads up: kids don't listen to the message that said old farties send out. They never *have* done. Tell kids that x is a forbidden and evil delight, and they will go right out and *do* x. That is what kids *do*.





Phydeaux -> RE: End ABSTINANCE "education"! ( Since it's not science and all... ) (1/3/2014 4:00:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: eulero83


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: eulero83


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Many cultures strongly dissuade sex before marriage; and sex while young. I don't think you can make the statistical case the the residents of these nations are more or less psychologically stable, well adjusted, or happy.



Not a statistic but I won't say that high violent crime rates, high incarceration rates, high drug abure rates, teenagers that try to slaughter their fellow students on a monthly base are sympthoms of a happy and well adjusted society...


So when a man in norway slaughters 80 teens its a proof that sex education in action eh?



"on a monthly base" and "rates" not one episode

But you missed my point.

Do you really think there is a significan correlation betweeen comprehensive sex education and violence.
Really?



eulero83 -> RE: End ABSTINANCE "education"! ( Since it's not science and all... ) (1/3/2014 4:20:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: eulero83


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: eulero83


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Many cultures strongly dissuade sex before marriage; and sex while young. I don't think you can make the statistical case the the residents of these nations are more or less psychologically stable, well adjusted, or happy.



Not a statistic but I won't say that high violent crime rates, high incarceration rates, high drug abure rates, teenagers that try to slaughter their fellow students on a monthly base are sympthoms of a happy and well adjusted society...


So when a man in norway slaughters 80 teens its a proof that sex education in action eh?



"on a monthly base" and "rates" not one episode

But you missed my point.

Do you really think there is a significan correlation betweeen comprehensive sex education and violence.
Really?


it is not what I was saying, I correlated to general happiness



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: End ABSTINANCE "education"! ( Since it's not science and all... ) (1/3/2014 4:22:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Do you really think there is a significan correlation betweeen comprehensive sex education and violence.
Really?

For sexual violence, yes.

I don't think general violence has any correlation whatsoever with sex education.



MAINEiacMISTRESS -> RE: End ABSTINANCE "education"! ( Since it's not science and all... ) (1/3/2014 4:38:27 PM)

WHOA! We taxpayers were PAYING to promote that bullshit??? I thought it was just a universal church effort toward guilting the younger generations into so-called abstinence.

It has certainly increased the practice of oral sex (to preserve "virginity"/prevent pregnancies) and therefore increased the incidences of oral STD infections (and HPV-related throat cancers). WAY TO GO Christian Right wingers!


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

This is big. PUSHBACK against all the crazy religious nuts.

I don't know if it'll get any traction and go anywhere, but I like the cut of her jib!
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Congresswoman Barbara Lee (D-CA) has introduced a bill - Repealing Ineffective and Incomplete Abstinence-Only Program Funding Act of 2013 (HR 3774) - this week that would end federal funding of abstinence-only programs and support comprehensive sexuality education.

"We need to get serious about educating our young people about sex," said Lee. "Abstinence-only programs fail to address the challenge of unplanned pregnancies and sexually-transmitted infections among our youth, which have reached a critical level. We must ensure that we provide comprehensive sex education programs that have been proven to work, instead of throwing money away on programs that don't."


http://msmagazine.com/news/uswirestory.asp?ID=14772




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