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RE: so, medicare, or cal i can't remember which, will n... - 1/2/2014 5:12:09 AM   
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As the judge said to my brother's lawyer, "It's all about the beds." Meaning lack thereof. My brother is less functioning than the OP and is having a hard time getting committed to a DMH facility for long term care. Private hospitals tweak his meds and send him home in less than a week.

My mother has a MSW from Smith College and is having a hard time navigating the mental health system on my brother's behalf. For months, she's been putting in a good 20 hours per week case managing for him.

And then there's the cost of the first lawyer, and then the second lawyer and forensic psychologist needed to get him out of the facility "for those whose sanity is being evaluated for the criminal justice system" which is supposed to take 40 days but took 8 months, and did not include any treatment other than medication management, but did include bullying by the guards. At the end, this facility decided that he had an anti-social personality disorder, and was not eligible for treatment at a DMH facility, despite his 20 plus year history of diagnosis of schizo-affective disorder and NVLD.

I see many unrealistic expectations of the OP in this thread.

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RE: so, medicare, or cal i can't remember which, will n... - 1/2/2014 5:28:43 AM   
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Everyone needs to remember that each state is different in treating mental health patients. I have not been to the hospital for mental issues because the mental hospital in Tennessee FINALLY found the right drugs for me to take. If I have to go to a regular hospital, it is for medical procedures (the nerve burning and the shot in my back, MRIs). I have both Medicare and Medicaid so I seldom get bills except for my leg brace and some radiology charges. I pay for my Medicare part D so I can have low co-pays on my medicine.

Tomorrow I have to see a new doctor (I fear my regular one had a stroke) so I can get my pain killers. I hate switching doctors but it has to be done.

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RE: so, medicare, or cal i can't remember which, will n... - 1/2/2014 6:32:49 AM   
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I don't think it is unrealistic to have the OP make some phone calls and get a case worker. Even going to the Department of Social Services can be of help. Options are not out of the ballpark. However if you have noncompliance Medicare and the individual plan will eventually not pay for coverage.

I just recently went to the ER- in November it was life threatening. I NEVER GO to the ER. I had to have emergency surgery. My bill was over $50,000 every cent was paid by my plan including the ER bill. I pay for my own coverage and I know what my benefits are and what they are not. I also use my primary doctor for everything.

Yes every state handles mental health differently but consumers who use the ER system for medical care or mental health will find themselves with large bills for noncompliance and for going AMA (Against Medical Advice). The OP has been coming to CM speaking about psychosis, hallucinations, and the like...there is no way that a hospital will allow her to go home if she is a real psychiatric or medical emergency unless someone is saying, "I don't need hospitalization."


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RE: so, medicare, or cal i can't remember which, will n... - 1/2/2014 6:46:51 AM   
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800 dollars is a far cry easier to loan than 3-4 k.


Is this an actual bill or an anticipated bill due to the changes the clerk told you about?

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RE: so, medicare, or cal i can't remember which, will n... - 1/2/2014 10:41:40 AM   
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last two times i went in, i wasn't let out. I told them 100 percent honestly that i would if left to my own devices hurt myself and i had a plan on how to yes. I was sent to psychiatric care programs. I stayed at one place for 2 weeks in September, and a week the last time before that at sierra vista* shudders at that place* The one place it was a short term crisis center, and people could only stay max a month. If they had more theraputic structure in place, it wouldnt be a bad place to be, they also have long term places one a active farm, but you have to be a yolo county resident .

unfortunatly a lot of places here, they won't give you a bed unless you're committed against your will. they see it as well if you are seeking help and willing to be put in a facility you;re not screwed up enough. they have such limited space they save the beds for the ppl who are mandated to go.


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so you keep getting 5150d. How the hell are you getting out each time? Usually they won't let you out unless they feel you are not suicidal and that you are better. You're obviously not better and any doctor would be able to see that after questioning you for about 10 mins. I mean, I'm not a doctor and I notice each time you come on here. It doesn't take much to see and I think most would agree.

If I were your boyfriend I'd be telling the docs exactly what's been going on at home and how many you have been committed. If they refuse to keep you in, if I were your boyfriend I'd be finding new docs to talk to about you. But it really doesn't seem you have anyone at all who is taking care of you at all since you are not able to do so on your own. I wish there was some way you could get that help but it seems you can't do that and you have fallen through the cracks of the system.




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RE: so, medicare, or cal i can't remember which, will n... - 1/2/2014 10:46:41 AM   
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I imagain it'd be 3 or 4 k, but i don;t know how much it actually would be, it might be much cheaper, since when you're going in for intervention of self harm, they don't do medical tests, but they do have to supply the meds you take when you go in, cuz for some stupid reason they never will give the meds a client has brought in with them. i guess cuz who knows if they're tampered with. And then since they're putting you in a special room, and putting a guard at your door and required to feed you, unlike if youre in the ER cuz you're sick or something.



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800 dollars is a far cry easier to loan than 3-4 k.


Is this an actual bill or an anticipated bill due to the changes the clerk told you about?



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RE: so, medicare, or cal i can't remember which, will n... - 1/2/2014 11:37:52 AM   
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I have actually asked a lot about being assigned a case worker, Kaiser therapists say we don't do that, and nami when i called said we don't do that, i don't know who told you that we do, and i asked alta arden regional cuz a x friend when she was a friend had a case worker there, and they said we don't give services to people unless yo're mentally retarded* which i am not* or you have some kind of issue like cerebral palsy* which i don't*


I called the adult access team's local number and asked and they said no, we don't do that.

I'v googled programs for adults with disabilities to get educational help, or advocacy for aults with mental health issues, and i just really haven't found anything that would be along the lines of appointing an advocate or case worker to help someone who's fallen through the cracks to get un fallen through if they don't understand the system.

I take my meds the way my dr wants me to, i go to therapy, i do the things i am supposed to , to care for myself as best as i can, and it doesn't get better. And sometimes its getting worse, and as i told james, it's not fair( i know the word doesn't operate on it's not fair) and things shouldn't keep getting worse mentally, when you're doing whatcha posta be doing.

now i can see if i wouldn't take meds, or wouldn't take them right, but i do take what i am supposed to.
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I don't think it is unrealistic to have the OP make some phone calls and get a case worker. Even going to the Department of Social Services can be of help. Options are not out of the ballpark. However if you have noncompliance Medicare and the individual plan will eventually not pay for coverage.

I just recently went to the ER- in November it was life threatening. I NEVER GO to the ER. I had to have emergency surgery. My bill was over $50,000 every cent was paid by my plan including the ER bill. I pay for my own coverage and I know what my benefits are and what they are not. I also use my primary doctor for everything.

Yes every state handles mental health differently but consumers who use the ER system for medical care or mental health will find themselves with large bills for noncompliance and for going AMA (Against Medical Advice). The OP has been coming to CM speaking about psychosis, hallucinations, and the like...there is no way that a hospital will allow her to go home if she is a real psychiatric or medical emergency unless someone is saying, "I don't need hospitalization."





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RE: so, medicare, or cal i can't remember which, will n... - 1/3/2014 3:52:15 PM   
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Sweetanise,

Sorry but you are clueless here. I don't know where you live but most places social services doesn't provide caseworkers to the mentally ill just to help them navigate the system.. in most cases social service personnel can't help those that ARE part of their caseload navigate the system.

For people who have medicare/medicaid there are few otpions on medical care. In NJ, if you had medicaid plan G you were lucky if you could find a primary care provider, never mind specialists. It also didn't include ANY hospitization, you had to apply for charity care with the local hospital.

Have a mental health problem? You go on a waiting list unless you are in immediate danger of hurting yourself or others, and then you are admitted to local hospital psych unit THROUGH THE ER. When you do find a program, you will be lucky if you get to see the psychiatrist for meds once a month, usually its every three months, and because they are taking medicaid, they are usually pretty sucky to begin with.

Long term mental health in patient facilties are hard to find and harder to get into unless someone is paying big out of pocket costs. Medicare/medicaid patients are looking at state facilities which leave a lot to be desired.

Sadly a "5150" means that you will be commttited, but basically for "stablization of medication and release", nothing mor

Chris, I really have to agree with lw on this. You need long term inpatient care. What you are getting isn't cutting it. I've been watching you go steadily downhill for a while. Neither your parent or James have the necessary skils or desire to truly help you, I'm sad to say. I know the facilities you have been in for longer term care have not been very good, but you need to keep trying. You even admit yourself things are getting worse, not better. That's not good.

Maybe you should find a way to move to yolo county so you can work on getting into that farm you mentioned. Whatever you do, just keep trying to find the help you need. I know how frustrating making what feels like a million phones calls and being rejected over and over again can be. Set some time limits to work on it each day to lessen the frustration, like ninety minutes a day. Make calls for ninety minutes with a notepad and when places say no,ask if they know of somewhere that might offer what you are looking for and then write it down to call next..

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RE: so, medicare, or cal i can't remember which, will n... - 1/3/2014 10:10:20 PM   
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I know you said you called a couple of these places but these are links to further information that may be useful to you.Read over them and at least educate yourself so you can maybe have more information at hand and find other places to contact.

http://www.namisacramento.org/resources/locallinks-saccounty.html

http://www.dhhs.saccounty.net/BHS/Pages/Adult-Mental-Health/SP-Inpatient-Hospitalization.aspx

http://www.dhhs.saccounty.net/BHS/Pages/Adult-Mental-Health/SP-Psychiatric-State-Hospitalization.aspx

http://mydoctor.kaiserpermanente.org/ncal/facilities/region/southsacramento/area_master/departments/south-sacramento/ssc_inpatient_psychiatry.jsp



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RE: so, medicare, or cal i can't remember which, will n... - 1/4/2014 7:54:08 PM   
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Actually for a while there i was doing really good when i got back from safe harbor, i was hitting all my target goals, i was on a schedule and everything, and then even trying to maybe see about cooking more, and i had really good self confidence going on for a while, and i was dressing nice and looking nice, and i am now really struggling really hard to make any of my goals. my progress has stalled out almost completely. And im on Geodon, and Dr B said you ha ve to eat a meal of at least 400 calories, or the pills won't work right. So that throws my scheduel right out the door. I'm l am going to get some premade meals or do some cooking and freezing and stuff that are healthy enough so i can eat and take all my pills at once. I so have no interest in cooking something just so i can take a pill.

I don't know that the farm house would be right for me because I at this point am not capable of the work load they would expect clients to have, but they do have programs where they set people up in housing and , they set you upally close to the safe harbor so you can go there and see your med dr and stuff, and get mental health help and talk to qualified people should you need it. And I'd be really interested in a program where you're responsible for your own bills and cooking and stuff but if you can't cook and shop because you don't know how or are unable to, they set you up with help for that.

I'd even consider a local group home of sorts or something if i could take calley may with me. I know, it seems like my priorities are off that the one thing i make a sticking point of going in p is having calley may with me, but and i know other people won't understand, and that's ok with me but i will not leave her behind, where i go she has to come too. or i won't go. She did not ask me to adopt her and bond her to me, when i went away for the 2 weeks it was really hard on her, n me too I will not do that to her/ me but mostly her again, if i can help it. Everybody else i can kind of do with out, daily, if i can see them weekly and talk to them everyday.

I read somewhere medicare or cal i can't remember which will only cover 190 days for the life time of the recipient, inpatient health care for mental illnesses, so i don't know if i could even afford these places if i would go in p with out calley.


Yes, every morning i make a list of people i need to call, and then i list it by priority. So I was a day early for getting my bus pass, and that's good cuz the first they wouldn't have been open,


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Long term mental health in patient facilties are hard to find and harder to get into unless someone is paying big out of pocket costs. Medicare/medicaid patients are looking at state facilities which leave a lot to be desired.

Sadly a "5150" means that you will be commttited, but basically for "stablization of medication and release", nothing mor

Chris, I really have to agree with lw on this. You need long term inpatient care. What you are getting isn't cutting it. I've been watching you go steadily downhill for a while. Neither your parent or James have the necessary skils or desire to truly help you, I'm sad to say. I know the facilities you have been in for longer term care have not been very good, but you need to keep trying. You even admit yourself things are getting worse, not better. That's not good.

Maybe you should find a way to move to yolo county so you can work on getting into that farm you mentioned. Whatever you do, just keep trying to find the help you need. I know how frustrating making what feels like a million phones calls and being rejected over and over again can be. Set some time limits to work on it each day to lessen the frustration, like ninety minutes a day. Make calls for ninety minutes with a notepad and when places say no,ask if they know of somewhere that might offer what you are looking for and then write it down to call next..



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RE: so, medicare, or cal i can't remember which, will n... - 1/4/2014 10:24:15 PM   
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I am somewhat lost. What does a bladder infection have to do with psych costs?

ERs are the most expensive of all medical treatment options. First, many of us on here are on some type of psych med (me...Adderall for ADHD but I have heard of some with Bi-Polar & Depression...). Protocol is that you have a doctor that prescribes the meds and he/she should be monitoring you on a regular basis... If you are having those types of mood swings then your doctor should see you monthly if not more... Not a squeezed in emergency visit but what is called a "prescription maintenance " visit that is regularly scheduled. If an emergency occurs outside of normal hours or you become a threat to yourself...then the police &/or EMT would decide but most insurance companies cover the "Patient First" or the CVS Walk-in clinics...

For a medical condition like a bladder infection...did you not have any symptoms? Again, the first place to go is not an ER but a primary care provider or, again, a walk-in urgent care facility. Granted...I was just hospitalized and needed emergency surgery but my first stop was still an urgent care (I was violently ill on the a weekend, had excruciating pain in my right side & starting peeing blood). They did the blood work and immediately shipped me off to the ER but...trust me, my insurance company would have been thrilled to pay just that bill had I just needed antibiotics!!!

What. I am getting at is that, if you knew something was wrong you don't wait for the critical onset to get it checked out and, even in a case of a weekend or an acute onset...there are options.

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RE: so, medicare, or cal i can't remember which, will n... - 1/4/2014 11:40:11 PM   
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I don't think you need long term in patient care.

I think what you need is an intensive day program or what is also called a partial hospital program.
You go in the day and get all the group therapy and art therapy etc, and then you come home in the afternoon.
Perhaps you could call safe harbor and ask if there is something like that and how to get in.



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RE: so, medicare, or cal i can't remember which, will n... - 1/5/2014 2:43:37 AM   
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It has to do with well if that cost almost 3 k i shudder to think what going in for a pych Er visit would cost.

With Kaiser once a month,you get a 30 ish minute appointment with the person who prescribes your meds for regular well being checks, and then if you're in crisis and you need to talk to them any sooner they will fit you in when they can get to you, or have you talk to their nurse, who will take a message, talk to the dr, then call you back with what the dr said and you go from there with out ever hearing from the dr himself. They don't do any visits frequency * at least at the one i go to, others maybe different.* any sooner than once a month.

Yup i was telling my dr all the time i don't feel good and i am nauseous all the time and i have cramps and stabbing pains and all this other stuff and every time I would go in they would just write it off as well we don' know why you don't feel good, you prolly have IBS, keep your diet bland, with out even looking at me just a phone appointment, One dr told me that all my pain was from needing to poop and being constipated, take a laxitive. I've had dr's tell me one thing ,go in a week laterbecause the original issue is worse, and you see a diff dr than the one before, they tell you another thing and then tell you there's nothing can be done and you go in a month later mention the same issue and the dr is like well those dr's were bone heads, there absolutely is something that can be done. i have very little faith in Kaiser any more, and I was so fed up with them, in fact i was trying to change from them to Mercy, when i went in patient in September, whic kind of put a stop to trying to jump ship, because when i am in the middle of a break down, it's the last thing on my mind. changing providers.

I went to the obgyn that day cuz i was having issues with incontinence, i would go from don't have to pee, to peeing myself in minutes, and you can't get jack shit done if you're about to piss yourself every 10 minutes, and the pee was the color of coke.which later nobody could explain, so after all the other dr's who blew me off Dr S finally said well we're doing a urine sample, and the test results would be back in 24 hours, than that evening the pain kicked up worse an worse and the confusion got worse, so bad i forgot how to boil eggs, literally i thought you brought the water to a boil then you put the eggs in. like you do for making spagettie:/

, When i went into the ER I was dizzy, confused, and throwing up and having the worst stabbing pains, like someone was repeatedly knifing me in the belly you couldn't touch any of my abdomen sides or pelvis area with out making me want to squeal like a stuck pig, they took my vitals and I had a fever of 105, was dehydrated, and they had to run a bag of fluids into an iv in my arm, give me two nausea meds, a pain med, and then milk of magnesia cuz the other two meds irritated my stomach or something and i was vomiting yellow crap that burned when i vomited.

then when i got home 3/4 hours later and got comfy to go to bed the vomiting of bile kicked back in. That's a special brand of fun right there being almost asleep then waking up to bile searing it's way up your nose and you almost christen the pillow cuz you're puking in your sleep . and you just barely wake up before spewing .
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ORIGINAL: TieMeInKnottsss

I am somewhat lost. What does a bladder infection have to do with psych costs?

ERs are the most expensive of all medical treatment options. First, many of us on here are on some type of psych med (me...Adderall for ADHD but I have heard of some with Bi-Polar & Depression...). Protocol is that you have a doctor that prescribes the meds and he/she should be monitoring you on a regular basis... If you are having those types of mood swings then your doctor should see you monthly if not more... Not a squeezed in emergency visit but what is called a "prescription maintenance " visit that is regularly scheduled. If an emergency occurs outside of normal hours or you become a threat to yourself...then the police &/or EMT would decide but most insurance companies cover the "Patient First" or the CVS Walk-in clinics...

For a medical condition like a bladder infection...did you not have any symptoms? Again, the first place to go is not an ER but a primary care provider or, again, a walk-in urgent care facility. Granted...I was just hospitalized and needed emergency surgery but my first stop was still an urgent care (I was violently ill on the a weekend, had excruciating pain in my right side & starting peeing blood). They did the blood work and immediately shipped me off to the ER but...trust me, my insurance company would have been thrilled to pay just that bill had I just needed antibiotics!!!

What. I am getting at is that, if you knew something was wrong you don't wait for the critical onset to get it checked out and, even in a case of a weekend or an acute onset...there are options.



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RE: so, medicare, or cal i can't remember which, will n... - 1/5/2014 2:51:15 AM   
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kiaser has iop intensive outpatient, but it's for people just getting out of pych hospitals, but there's a wellnesss center on Marconi, they have social activities and like, anger management classes and stuff, and life practice has support groups for people with bipolar and stuff. Sacramento has a whole shit ton of meetup.com groups for mental health and mental health exercises and retreats, and meditation groups. you could never not be home, if you wished.I bought a monthly bus pass , so i can go to as many things as i want and not have to worry about the 10 dollar every time i ride.
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I don't think you need long term in patient care.

I think what you need is an intensive day program or what is also called a partial hospital program.
You go in the day and get all the group therapy and art therapy etc, and then you come home in the afternoon.
Perhaps you could call safe harbor and ask if there is something like that and how to get in.





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RE: so, medicare, or cal i can't remember which, will n... - 1/5/2014 2:19:33 PM   
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kiaser has iop intensive outpatient, but it's for people just getting out of pych hospitals, but there's a wellnesss center on Marconi, they have social activities and like, anger management classes and stuff, and life practice has support groups for people with bipolar and stuff. Sacramento has a whole shit ton of meetup.com groups for mental health and mental health exercises and retreats, and meditation groups. you could never not be home, if you wished.I bought a monthly bus pass , so i can go to as many things as i want and not have to worry about the 10 dollar every time i ride.
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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

I don't think you need long term in patient care.

I think what you need is an intensive day program or what is also called a partial hospital program.
You go in the day and get all the group therapy and art therapy etc, and then you come home in the afternoon.
Perhaps you could call safe harbor and ask if there is something like that and how to get in.






Were you offered that after your stay at Safe Harbor?
If not, why not and if so why did you turn it down.

I am thinking you may be able to get into it.
Reason being: it is much less expensive than being readmitted to an in patient place.

The problem I can see you running into is that if it is a self-directed activity then you won't have the motivation to follow through.
If it is a program and you know you are supposed to go, you would have a much easier time attending.


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RE: so, medicare, or cal i can't remember which, will n... - 1/5/2014 11:45:13 PM   
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Personally I don't see the day ones working for the op simply because eventually she will find an excuse to not go back. If she is inpatient, she won't have a choice. She's stuck there. There have been many times where she has mentioned day type stuff and she has gone once or twice but after that she stopped because she couldn't get out of bed or whatnot. So I don't think just getting herself there all the time is going to work and no one else in her family is going to make sure she goes.


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RE: so, medicare, or cal i can't remember which, will n... - 1/6/2014 2:03:25 AM   
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If she can go and come home to her dog every day, I think she may have the incentive to go and keep up with it.

The down side is that all the dysfunction that is around her will be there when she comes home; the plus side of that is that if it is there all around her when she comes home she can begin to work on how she can function better and well, while still living in a dysfunctional setting.
Group therapy is great for that.



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RE: so, medicare, or cal i can't remember which, will n... - 1/6/2014 7:25:30 PM   
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Or you could be responsible and seek help in legitimate avenues before you "come unglued", I am fairly sure that psychiatric crisis' don't arrive fully blown. They slowly (or not so slowly) escalate.


and yes this sound snarky. Its meant to be. I worked in the ER for a decade and put up with people abusing the system the whole time. There are very few "emergencies" that couldn't have been better handled at the doctors office - but that would have entailed cash up front, or being put out a bit.


That's not always possible.

I have a very negative position about unions...it's one of those "don't get me started" kind of topics.

It sounds like you have an extremely valid reason for your opinion, and I know it wasn't focused at all towards the mentally ill but, for those that the cogs don't always connect effectively for....I wish them well and, I wish I had a better solution than what's available to many of them.

There are some things that just don't make sense to or for some people.

I swear, I can't pick up my socks (this is not an attempt to be funny). I'm somewhat thankful I'm single because, I run a few small to medium sized firms, and my staff is so incredible...they remember everything, but finding my butt sometimes is a surprisingly difficult task on occasion..

Everyone has a thing....mine is finding my keys (among other things), but most people (other than my Mom) think I'm fairly normal (my Mom's crazy, by the way, so I only listen to her when she speaks in tongues).

I sure hope these people in crisis get the help they need.

< Message edited by LookieNoNookie -- 1/6/2014 7:32:12 PM >

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