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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/21/2014 10:37:07 AM

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Sorry. It is not possible to be more moral than God.

That depends on the pagan god.

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God cares more what happens to your soul than your body.

Fuck all that. That pagan god was irate that Jeroboam went against his directives.

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God cares more what happens to his chosen people than pagans.
For the wages of sin is death...

That pagan god had lots of chosen peoples all over the world.

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But finally, the covenant of the old testament is not the covenant of the new.

Quite.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/21/2014 2:12:50 PM

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Sorry. It is not possible to be more moral than God.

*Sigh* and so we've come to the point in the discussion where Christians assert that slaughtering good children in a murderous rage is the height of morality.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/21/2014 6:30:19 PM

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http://www.merriam-webster.com/help/dictnotes/def.htm
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/436518/The-Oxford-English-Dictionary-OED

So, order is as a matter of tradition, first known use, and the next, and so on, usually (there be miasmas even there).

It would be interesting, and I am sure they are out there, a dictionary ordered by statistical usage, but......again, such temporal slang as michael jackson bad, versus freddy krueger bad, would have the dictionaries falling out of round nearly every hour, and that would be an expensive and untenable situation.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/21/2014 6:34:25 PM

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Ask the Aztecs...

Then again, their god turned out to pretty puny after all.

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Sorry. It is not possible to be more moral than God.
Any deviance (having a different point of view) makes you less moral, not more.

God cares more what happens to your soul than your body.
God cares more what happens to his chosen people than pagans.
For the wages of sin is death...

But finally, the covenant of the old testament is not the covenant of the new.

Are you saying then that there is no intrinsic morality? Nothing is good because it simply is? If god were to command: 'thou shalt kill' would murder be the moral position of goodness or would murder still be intrinsically immoral?

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/21/2014 7:29:39 PM

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Ask the Aztecs...

Are we talking baby smashing for Jesus?

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/22/2014 9:35:26 AM

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People, people, doesn't anyone know how a dictionary works?

So you're surrounded by numerous well educated people more than one genius among them but you're the one, THE ONLY ONE who knows how to use a dictionary....there's no reality denial going on there

In an English dictionary, the most common meaning is usually placed first where there are multiple meanings.
http://www.wikihow.com/Use-a-Dictionary

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/22/2014 9:45:45 AM

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Is that what's known as 'false witness' in Scriptural circles? The 'most commonly used' definition has absolutely zero controlling property of any usage.

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Uh, learn about dictionaries before you blather on about that shit, the nuances of the definitions contain no primary or secondary or tertiary definitions.

the definition marked 2007 is as valid and useable as the one marked one. (there could be some quibble if it is marked (archaic) but no, one does not favor another.

Milesn miles it seems like I owe you an apology over my claim that you were bending things. My reasoning involved the premise that you had at least an elementary school level of ability at operating dictionaries. Bad assumption on my part, sorry.

I didn't realize so many had no idea how a dictionary works, so I will repeat it.

When you look up a word in a dictionary, the first or #1 definition is the primary or most often used definition of the word in question. Which is what I said. I did not say that the other definitions were wrong or could not be used, just that they are not what is considered by that dictionary to be the primary definition or the way the word is used most often.

That is why when you get to the "2007th" definition, you have no clue the word could be used that way because you have never seen or heard it used that way and that way will never be listed as #1. ;-)

I gave a definition that was summarily dismissed by GotSteel and was given definitions that were no more "correct" than what I had given.

I have to ask why is it you aren't questioning his dismissal of my definition or whether his definitions were any more apropos than mine?

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/22/2014 9:51:58 AM

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No I can not.

This is why I believe it's very important people read and find their very own paths. We all have individual destinations. Sometimes you have to be the sheep in wolves clothing. Know when to follow and know when not too. If you were in a meadow even a well fed wolf would prefer the sheep in the meadow rather then wolves. Wolves are predators and will eat their own if let to their own devices. But sheep would starve and it would never occur to them to eat their own.
That's the difference between animals and humans. We have superior choices to be either a wolf or a sheep and the intellect when to be either with the right knowledge.

What you say is commendable and accurately reflects the conflicts individuals face when constrained by their learned morals. Well said. However, history is replete with the collaborative evil of priests and princes that exploited the innocent and defenseless. My point is that the structural power for evil of that collaboration answers the question posed in the OP. Sadly, it continues. Now Islam persecutes Christians. Bummer.

In the Garden of Eden there was no right or wrong, only right existed until wrong was chosen. The Biblical story shows, naked was not wrong, because there was no wrong until the devil tricked man. Even in the place of perfection, the devil existed, tempting from even the beginning. If you are a believer, and you have to believe, to have a fear of God. The devil is a very powerful existing temptation that has always existed. Mankind was spared, because good prevaled over evil. John 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy: I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
The devil, if you believe in such a thing, is powerful, and can come in many forms, in any misguided place, or person. At any opportunity waits for an opening into peoples minds or any organization including radical religion were it is not meant with pure of heart.
Watching a wrong, and doing nothing, is as bad as doing the act, if you are knowing doing so. If someone honestly doesn't know any better, then they cant be held accountable until they know better.

There are a lot of non believers and that is a choice. WHat I write is just my own personal believes, I ask God to direct. I do not try to make people believe what they don't want too. We all have the choice.
I try to respect others decisions, even if I don't agree with them. I see a lot of disrespect of God, or peoples believe in God in this thread.

A sad thing to me that people attack what is sacred to others. Turn the other cheek.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/22/2014 9:56:20 AM

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According to Yahweh he caused the illness that killed the good child, he's certainly claiming credit for it anyway.

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I understand that reading is difficult for you so I will explain one last time.

The child was on its death bed before the pronouncement was made thus God was not responsible for his illness or its result, death.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/22/2014 11:53:50 AM

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There are a lot of non believers and that is a choice. WHat I write is just my own personal believes, I ask God to direct. I do not try to make people believe what they don't want too. We all have the choice.
I try to respect others decisions, even if I don't agree with them. I see a lot of disrespect of God, or peoples believe in God in this thread.

A sad thing to me that people attack what is sacred to others. Turn the other cheek.

Whoa! Nowhere did I attack your beliefs. This forum provides an open discussion of the beliefs of the religious and the non-religious as well. The principle rule is that we do not attack each other personally. Any belief or opinion posted by any person here is open to rebuttal. You don't get to play the sacred card. If my reaction seems harsh it is because I was mindfully courteous in my previous responses and I am a little chagrined at your accusation.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/22/2014 12:17:59 PM

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The principle rule is that we do not attack each other personally.
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Now that's funny.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/22/2014 12:22:58 PM

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The principle rule is that we do not attack each other personally.
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Now that's funny.

If you feel you were attacked personally, report it to the Mods. They will take action if they agree with you.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/22/2014 12:23:51 PM

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If you see any personal attacks as defined here (specifics start October 2013): http://www.collarchat.com/m_3863025/tm.htm or here: http://www.collarchat.com/m_4246625/mpage_6/key_/tm.htm#4248463 please use the Report button on that post.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/22/2014 12:28:32 PM

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If you see any personal attacks as defined here.

I know this is a bit off topic, but I didn't want to start a thread just to get one teeny tiny answer, but... I know people pull out a sock puppet to support their posts. What if your sock puppet doesn't really like you and attacks you personally, is still a personal attack or a cry for psychiatric help?

Jus wondering
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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/22/2014 12:31:41 PM

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Lol

Whoops I didn't mean for you to think I meant that toward you Vincent.
I didn't mean that at all. I just responded using a reply with your post. My apologies. You were quite respectful in your response.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/22/2014 12:45:02 PM

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If you see any personal attacks as defined here.

I know this is a bit off topic, but I didn't want to start a thread just to get one teeny tiny answer, but... I know people pull out a sock puppet to support their posts. What if your sock puppet doesn't really like you and attacks you personally, is still a personal attack or a cry for psychiatric help?

Jus wondering
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One may report PAs by one's sock puppet. Furthermore, while it ok to have more than one profile, they may not both participate in the same thread, so one can report one's sock for stalking as well.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/22/2014 12:48:12 PM

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If you see any personal attacks as defined here.

I know this is a bit off topic, but I didn't want to start a thread just to get one teeny tiny answer, but... I know people pull out a sock puppet to support their posts. What if your sock puppet doesn't really like you and attacks you personally, is still a personal attack or a cry for psychiatric help?

Jus wondering
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One may report PAs by one's sock puppet. Furthermore, while it ok to have more than one profile, they may not both participate in the same thread, so one can report one's sock for stalking as well.

Good to know. Perhaps this should be put in the newbie survival guide ;)

Jus sayin
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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/22/2014 12:53:27 PM

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According to Yahweh he caused the illness that killed the good child, he's certainly claiming credit for it anyway.

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I understand that reading is difficult for you so I will explain one last time.

The child was on its death bed before the pronouncement was made thus God was not responsible for his illness or its result, death.

I understand that reading is difficult for you so I will explain one last time.

10 “‘Because of this, I am going to bring disaster on the house of Jeroboam. I will cut off from Jeroboam every last male in Israel—slave or free. I will burn up the house of Jeroboam as one burns dung, until it is all gone. Dogs will eat those belonging to Jeroboam who die in the city, and the birds will feed on those who die in the country. The Lord has spoken!’
12 “As for you, go back home. When you set foot in your city, the boy will die.

and again:
“in the day that you eat from it you shall surely die.”

So, yeah, according to his word, god killed the motherfucker.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/22/2014 2:54:10 PM

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Here is my suggestion, to add to Chi's. If someone is posting in a manner which causes you to lose self-control and violate the TOS or Community Guidelines, I suggest you use the "Hide" feature, which is located at the bottom left of a post. This will keep staff from having to place you into a timeout situation and should make your forum experience more enjoyable.

If you are going to report posts, report them based on them being an actual personal attack and not just because you were offended by them.

If there are any questions please contact me or Chi, and do not reply to us in this topic please.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/22/2014 3:02:47 PM

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Additionally, if you are going to report posts, have an off site email attached to your collarchat profile and monitor it, because you'll need to see our replies to your reports.

If there are any questions please contact me or Gamma, and do not reply to us in this topic please.

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