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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/22/2014 4:36:54 PM

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Lol

Whoops I didn't mean for you to think I meant that toward you Vincent.
I didn't mean that at all. I just responded using a reply with your post. My apologies. You were quite respectful in your response.

Thank you, cb. I am much relieved.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/22/2014 5:55:27 PM

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I gave a definition that was summarily dismissed by GotSteel and was given definitions that were no more "correct" than what I had given.

I have to ask why is it you aren't questioning his dismissal of my definition or whether his definitions were any more apropos than mine?

*face palm*
This is just sad, I shouldn't have to explain how communicating works to adults.

Ok here goes, he isn't contesting MY statements about the content of MY position BECAUSE it's MY position.

I get to inform YOU about what the contents of MY positions are.

You do NOT get to inform ME what the contents of MY position are.

Are you able to understand that?

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/22/2014 6:15:38 PM

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The child was on its death bed before the pronouncement was made thus God was not responsible for his illness or its result, death.

Where did you get that kool-aid?

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/22/2014 6:30:20 PM

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Because I choose to burden myself with dealing in factual reality, instead of taking the too easy Alice in Wonderland way out by pretending that anything and everything that can be claimed is equally true by making up definitions and rules to suit myself..

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Is that what's known as 'false witness' in Scriptural circles? The 'most commonly used' definition has absolutely zero controlling property of any usage.

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Uh, learn about dictionaries before you blather on about that shit, the nuances of the definitions contain no primary or secondary or tertiary definitions.

the definition marked 2007 is as valid and useable as the one marked one. (there could be some quibble if it is marked (archaic) but no, one does not favor another.

Milesn miles it seems like I owe you an apology over my claim that you were bending things. My reasoning involved the premise that you had at least an elementary school level of ability at operating dictionaries. Bad assumption on my part, sorry.

I didn't realize so many had no idea how a dictionary works, so I will repeat it.

When you look up a word in a dictionary, the first or #1 definition is the primary or most often used definition of the word in question. Which is what I said. I did not say that the other definitions were wrong or could not be used, just that they are not what is considered by that dictionary to be the primary definition or the way the word is used most often.

That is why when you get to the "2007th" definition, you have no clue the word could be used that way because you have never seen or heard it used that way and that way will never be listed as #1. ;-)

I gave a definition that was summarily dismissed by GotSteel and was given definitions that were no more "correct" than what I had given.

I have to ask why is it you aren't questioning his dismissal of my definition or whether his definitions were any more apropos than mine?

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/22/2014 6:34:23 PM

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More like we are talking human sacrifice as an agreed upon social good codified and put into action by religious dogma, and protected by not being criminalized.

Mores are pretty damn flexible...

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Ask the Aztecs...

Are we talking baby smashing for Jesus?

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/23/2014 2:43:47 AM

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According to Yahweh he caused the illness that killed the good child, he's certainly claiming credit for it anyway.

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I understand that reading is difficult for you so I will explain one last time.

The child was on its death bed before the pronouncement was made thus God was not responsible for his illness or its result, death.

So you're saying now that God is not in control of everything He created? God is not omnipresent??
Not even the disease he directed/allowed to infect the child? God who created everything is not responsible for his own creations?

just asking....

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/23/2014 3:49:02 AM

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You do not know what you are talking about.

Like we say in The Netherlands: You have heard the bell ring, but you do not know where the clapper is.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/23/2014 6:35:36 AM

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The child was on its death bed before the pronouncement was made thus God was not responsible for his illness or its result, death.

Yahweh made the pronouncement that "every male descendent" was being destroyed WHILE the good child was being destroyed AND as a response to the mothers quest to find out why her child was on his death bed.

But you think these things are unrelated....

Did you get this rationalization somewhere or come up with it yourself?
Have you looked to see what more main stream christian scholarship thinks?

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/23/2014 10:50:47 AM

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Yahweh made the pronouncement that "every male descendent" was being destroyed WHILE the good child was being destroyed AND as a response to the mothers quest to find out why her child was on his death bed.

But you think these things are unrelated....

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10 therefore, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam. I will cut off from Jeroboam every male, both bond and free in Israel, and will consume the house of Jeroboam, just as one burns up dung until it is all gone. 11 Anyone belonging to Jeroboam who dies in the city, the dogs shall eat; and anyone who dies in the open country, the birds of the air shall eat; for the Lord has spoken.’
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

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10 Therefore, look, I am about to bring disaster upon the house of Jeroboam, and I will cut off males[d] from Jeroboam, bond or free, in Israel. I will burn after the house of Jeroboam as one burns after the manure, until it is finished. 11 He who dies for Jeroboam in the city, the dogs will eat. He who dies in the open field, the birds from the heavens will eat, for Yahweh has spoken it.
Lexham English Bible (LEB)

The ruling pagan god by the means of his prophet Ahijah here announces that he will send a military force against Jeroboam and that his property will be set afire and that he will lose his soldiers and servants.

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14 Moreover the Lord will raise up for himself a king over Israel, who shall cut off the house of Jeroboam today, even right now![a]
15 “The Lord will strike Israel, as a reed is shaken in the water; he will root up Israel out of this good land that he gave to their ancestors, and scatter them beyond the Euphrates
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14 Yahweh will raise up a king for himself over Israel who will even now cut off the house of Jeroboam this day. 15 Yahweh will strike Israel as one shakes the reed plant in the water, and he will root Israel up from this good land that he gave to their ancestors.[e] He will scatter them beyond the River
Lexham English Bible (LEB)

The ruling pagan god is saying that he is priming - today, right now - a successor king who will put an end to the rule of Jeroboam.

In my opinion, despite not knowing any Hebrew, both translations are faulty in asserting that the rule of Jeroboam will end that very day and moment. In my opinion the time applies not to the end of the rule of Jeroboam, but refers to the priming of the new king.

It is suspicious that the wife of Jeroboam is not refered to by her own name in this text.

In any case she had quite a distance to travel to get back home, requiring at least five loaves of bread and some cakes for her return journey by foot.

Thus in contrast to GotSteel's assertion, the quoted text does not say anything about destroying every male descendant of Jeroboam. Nor that the military attack will happen while the ill child is dying. In fact later on he says that there will be time to bury the child, so the military attack will happen - a not mentioned time - after the burial:

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12 Therefore set out, go to your house. When your feet enter the city, the child shall die. 13 All Israel shall mourn for him and bury him; for he alone of Jeroboam’s family shall come to the grave
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12 As for you, get up. Go to your house. When your feet enter the city, the child will die. 13 All of Israel will mourn for him, and they will bury him. This one alone will come to a tomb for Jeroboam
Lexham English Bible (LEB)

I doubt that GS will read this post, as he has got my posts on Hide: he never could win in any discussion with me.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/24/2014 10:13:25 PM

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Religion for me has always been about control. For quite a while, it was even illegal to read the bible once it went into print.

Knowledge is however, something we must search out rather than learn everything by mere osmosis. Knowledge is something that leads to discovery for example that the Christian bible has but a few lines but the Sumerians wrote a whole chapter about their story of Adam & Eve.

The last part of which was to go south young man all of the way south. Why ? Well that's where the 75,000 gold mines are that we want you and your children and their children...to mine for us.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/27/2014 4:28:12 PM

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religion is a tool created to control people

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/27/2014 8:34:58 PM

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