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messaging subs - 1/10/2014 7:37:13 AM   
strangeautocrat


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Mes Ami,

Do you have any suggestions, philosophies, etc on opening conversations with subs on Collarme? I'm no stranger to the cold open when face to face but the vibe here's a little different.

Interested in hearing about the different ways one messages someone who's obviously experienced and knows what she wants out of her man vs. a potentially timid novice.

Thanks!
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RE: messaging subs - 1/10/2014 7:51:02 AM   
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A universal truth about women is that they appreciate being treated as individuals and love to be courted.

Which means a one size fits all approach rarely works. I'm very curious as to why you think a novice should get one type of message while an experienced sub should get another. Not that it matters.

Tailor your messages to the individual by asking a question or making a comment that makes it clear you read her profile. Be a charming and courteous gentleman. Don't make the message too long, a few short paragraphs will suffices, and make sure you leave the message open-ended. In other words, give her something obvious to comment on.



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RE: messaging subs - 1/10/2014 8:07:28 AM   
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>>they appreciate being treated as individuals
>>why you think a novice...
Well, because every message must be tailored for its recipient!

Many thanks, ChatteParfaitt.

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RE: messaging subs - 1/10/2014 8:40:42 AM   
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The first Dom I ever met from Collarme noticed that I mentioned gardening in my profile. He also did a lot of gardening so we began discussing our various garden projects. By the time we met he felt like a good friend.

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RE: messaging subs - 1/10/2014 8:48:16 AM   
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quote:

Interested in hearing about the different ways one messages someone who's obviously experienced and knows what she wants out of her man vs. a potentially timid novice.


You shouldn't tailor it for experienced vs novice because then you would be leading with kink and instead should comment on something vanilla in her profile.

If she has nothing but kink on her profile "she"'s probably a man.

(Yes, of course there are other possibilities, but that's the most likely one.)

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RE: messaging subs - 1/10/2014 8:55:33 AM   
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I like it when a guy has taken an interest in my journal. It shows that he's not in a rush, that he enjoys reading and is interested in what I think and have to say. Throw in a few questions to ensure I have something to reply to. Don't bother telling me who you are or what you're looking for, it reeks of marketing and a hasty chat up.

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RE: messaging subs - 1/10/2014 9:03:36 AM   
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All of this is for initial messages, obviously.

Be discerning. Only message someone if there is a good reason to think it's worth doing so. Something you have in common or a similar way of seeing the world. "Female", "local" and "submissive" don't count. By doing this, as opposed to going for a scattergun approach, you are able to spend a lot more effort on women where there's actually a reasonable chance of a reply. Once you get past being new and there being lots of women you haven't seen before, it's my view that if you're sending more than one new message a week you're probably being too general.

Don't be presumptuous. Don't give orders. Don't talk as if you're already in a relationship with them. And never, ever, address them as slut or whore as a greeting.

Don't talk about sex/kink. kalikshama has already mentioned this, but it's worth reinforcing. The only possible exception is those profiles which talk about nothing else. I wouldn't know though. I don't message those profiles.

Make sure your spelling and grammar is up to scratch. In a written medium its vital to making a good initial impression. Judging by your posts, you've already got this one covered.

If she rules you out in her profile (age restrictions, only looking for local doms, not looking for single males etc.) don't message her. You are not the exception. If you are, she'll message you.

Use your journal but use it well. Be funny or interesting or insightful. Don't pretend to be someone you aren't, but don't forget it's public facing either. Never use it to whine about not getting replies. (Please don't use the forums for that either. We get enough of that shit).

Quote some Morrissey lyrics. Chicks dig that sensitive stuff.

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RE: messaging subs - 1/10/2014 9:11:54 AM   
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smiles nice post

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RE: messaging subs - 1/10/2014 9:29:57 AM   
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Pretend they're a human being and work from there.

Seriously, approach them as you would a woman on any kind of dating site or in real life. The kink is almost secondary, regardless of their level of experience. If you're looking for something more than just a quick playdate and a shag, then show the woman that you're a man who values her and himself, and you'll be half way there

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RE: messaging subs - 1/10/2014 9:50:37 AM   
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I wouldn't bother to respond to anyone with a profile like yours.
You tell nothing about yourself except for some general kink.

Go on the assumption that anyone here has some interest in sex and kink. Lead with your vanilla interests. Because you spend more time with your clothes on in a relationship than with them off. If you're a film noir fan, state that. If you hike or bike then you need a partner who also enjoys outside activities, state that.

Give her something to respond to.

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RE: messaging subs - 1/10/2014 11:50:26 AM   
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Don't think of it as contacting "subs". They're women with lives, not naked meat shackled to a computer. They have jobs, hobbies, maybe kids, family. Greet them nicely, leave out the dirty talk, be respectful...be someone SHE wants to get to know. Say what you might say if you struck up a conversation with someone in real life that you would like to get to know. Don't treat the "subs" in here any differently until you get to know the real person they are. If you both find that there is mutual attraction about other things, the dirty stuff will find its way into the conversation, too.

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RE: messaging subs - 1/10/2014 12:01:01 PM   
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Okay, you need to understand that there to schools of approaching subs on this site. There is the apocolypso approach, as stated above, and the monastic approach. No need for me to explain the apocolypso approach, he covered it, so I'll get right to the monastic approach.

Step 1: fill your pics with cock shots, sex shots on the rankest hotel comforter you can find, and filthy toys... Especially insertables... Filthy shows them that yes you can and do use them.

Step 2: list all the girls you've banged out assigning them a star rating.

Step 3: list all the relationships you've been in, especially the ones that have detonated, imploded, and/or exploded, explaining in detail how it was never your fault.

Step 4: first contact should always be direct and to the point. A great first cmail would be:
On ur nkees bithc! I iz ur dominate!
Make sure all further and future contact stays within the theme, as above.

Step 5: shower her in compliments, such as: wow yer tits r awsome! Do u have a sister we can 3way with, cuz if her tits r like urs, I'm gunna fuk tha sluts outa both ov'ya.

Step 6: always work towards improving the health of her ego. Tell her wonderful things about herself, and always point out how there is room for improvement, because girl A in her friends list has better X, and girl B in her friends list has better X. Whatever quality you are admiring, admonish by friendly comparison. This will help her strive harder to become more pleasing.

See, six easy steps is all it takes for the monastic approach, and you too can achieve true enlightenment through the celibacy that accompanies the monastic approach.

YMMV

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RE: messaging subs - 1/10/2014 2:31:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant

Okay, you need to understand that there to schools of approaching subs on this site. There is the apocolypso approach, as stated above, and the monastic approach. No need for me to explain the apocolypso approach, he covered it, so I'll get right to the monastic approach.

Step 1: fill your pics with cock shots, sex shots on the rankest hotel comforter you can find, and filthy toys... Especially insertables... Filthy shows them that yes you can and do use them.

Step 2: list all the girls you've banged out assigning them a star rating.

Step 3: list all the relationships you've been in, especially the ones that have detonated, imploded, and/or exploded, explaining in detail how it was never your fault.

Step 4: first contact should always be direct and to the point. A great first cmail would be:
On ur nkees bithc! I iz ur dominate!
Make sure all further and future contact stays within the theme, as above.

Step 5: shower her in compliments, such as: wow yer tits r awsome! Do u have a sister we can 3way with, cuz if her tits r like urs, I'm gunna fuk tha sluts outa both ov'ya.

Step 6: always work towards improving the health of her ego. Tell her wonderful things about herself, and always point out how there is room for improvement, because girl A in her friends list has better X, and girl B in her friends list has better X. Whatever quality you are admiring, admonish by friendly comparison. This will help her strive harder to become more pleasing.

See, six easy steps is all it takes for the monastic approach, and you too can achieve true enlightenment through the celibacy that accompanies the monastic approach.

YMMV

Exiled



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RE: messaging subs - 1/10/2014 3:30:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: myotherself

Pretend they're a human being



spoilsport }:~D

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RE: messaging subs - 1/10/2014 9:54:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: strangeautocrat

Mes Ami,

Do you have any suggestions, philosophies, etc on opening conversations with subs on Collarme? I'm no stranger to the cold open when face to face but the vibe here's a little different.

Interested in hearing about the different ways one messages someone who's obviously experienced and knows what she wants out of her man vs. a potentially timid novice.

Thanks!


How do you do it when you first meet someone in real life? It's no different and bdsm doesn't make it any different either. Just talk to each other and get to know each other as people, not kink.



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RE: messaging subs - 1/11/2014 6:09:08 AM   
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I put this up a long time ago on another BDSM site as a comment (for a female friend who was having some issues) but I still find that it holds true today.
Here are what I term, for better or for worse, Kana's rules for contacting:

"What is with the influx of absurd one line comments that endlessly flow in on BDSM sites? Were it limited to a compliment that would be one thing, but to approach someone with a graphic or lewd sexual comment and expect a response that is positive is ridiculous to the point of stupidity. The same applies for making orders to someone who the sender has not even met yet. Where does this Neanderthal approach originate? I am aware that I am taking a stand against an ocean of banality, but damn it, Quixotian I will remain, tilting at windmills, someone has to try and maintain dignity and standards. Just because it is the Internet does not preclude basic human decency. How can one master another unless one has already mastered himself?

Can it possibly be that the sender actually believes that it will work to impress the recipient? I presume these are the same people who wear a dinosaur skin and bring a club to a singles bar so as to smack women unconscious and drag them back to their caves to do God knows what actions on them.

I am aware that there are basically two schools of domination, that of the iron fist with the other being the silken glove. Personally I tend towards a combination, an iron fist encased in a silken covering. To make the approach using nothing of subtlety, disregarding tact and nuance completely screams beware to me. Anyone who cannot grasp the details that make up a bound relationship in my mind has nothing to do with BDSM but has slid into the realm of misogyny. Plus, if the person is so totally incapable of attempting to have any compassion or feel for the other party, how in the world can they be trusted in heavy play? In BDSM, these things are huge, far more important than in the vanilla world because the physical, emotional and spiritual connections run so much deeper, thus making the capacity to grasp the tiny touches that can make or break interaction that much more important.

Take the time to really carefully read the profile to which you are responding. Check to make sure that you fit what they are looking for, then slowly craft a response based on what you see there. Let the person know through what you write that you are sending them something written only to them, make her feel special, this cannot be stated often or loudly enough. Trust is given and can never be taken; domination comes from respect, trust, love and desire. If you are incapable of making the effort to make a good first impression, then how should it be presumed that you will act in a week or a month or a year when you are now taking the other party for granted?

Try being honest and real, dropping the uber-dom nonsense and approaching her like you would any other human being whose respect you desire to win. Lead with your best foot; show some personal touches about yourself. No one spends their entire life in BDSM, we all have hobbies, families, hopes, desires and dreams, flush them out a bit, make yourself seem a whole person and not a caricature. Humor is always good, far too many people in internet BDSM take things way to seriously. Write something, then and this is huge, take the two seconds to spell check it. To not do so ruins hours of work right out of the gate, nothing says nimrod like someone who can't take the two minutes involved to ensure that the document is spell checked. You wouldn’t send a work document without checking it, so why not one of these?

With all that done, before you send your response, stop. Wait a while, like overnight, and then check it again. Ask yourself, "Am I showing myself the way I would like to be perceived? Am I being persuasive? Have I stuck to my boundaries or roamed all over the place? What would I think were I to receive this message?" When all those questions are answered to your satisfaction, then and only then send your response. It works I promise it does. It takes time and effort, but hey, on ALT men outnumber women about 30 to 1, do something to shift the scales in your favor and amazing things could happen for you. There are real people out here who know what they are doing; it is just sometimes a tedious process to find these diamonds in the compost heap. Personally I am thankful that the nimrods are so glaring in their extreme moron hood, they might be very dangerous if they were to get any brains about what they do. Instead it is like a form of social Darwinism, they eliminate themselves from the gene pool and also make the rest of us look much better in the process, simply by the virtue of not being them. That I must confess is a happy thought to end this little missive (or maybe I should say missile) with."



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RE: messaging subs - 1/11/2014 6:10:10 AM   
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Ya might also read Stephans thoughts here


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RE: messaging subs - 1/11/2014 7:20:09 AM   
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The others have pretty much covered it. I'd just like to add one thing.

Assume that all you are after is a pleasant conversation, nothing more. I've messaged one woman because she made some allusions to Esperanto that I was curious about. I've chatted with some people, asking how close my preconceived notions about their country were.

If it turns into more, cool. If it doesn't, you got a good discussion out of it.

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RE: messaging subs - 1/11/2014 9:40:59 AM   
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This is a quote from a profile I saw recently. It kinda made me laugh.

I am a highly virile, highly sexual Sir. My desires and needs have been pent-up for some time now. I will unleash those needs upon a slave with the fury of a primal storm.

To me, this translates as "I'm horny as hell and can't get laid." Saying it so prolifically really doesn't make it any more glamorous, or make you any more desirable. And I seriously doubt that you're any more virile or sexual than any other dude in here is or imagines himself to be.

When we say "What makes you stand out?", we're not talking about your fly.

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RE: messaging subs - 1/11/2014 11:57:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kana

Ya might also read Stephans thoughts here



Are you really sure we're not related?


ETA - My apologies. I did not address the OP.

Do yourself a favor. Stop messaging "subs" and start messaging people.

My golden rule of the internet. Talk to folks the way you would in real life and you'll be golden.



< Message edited by LadyPact -- 1/11/2014 12:03:50 PM >


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