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RE: School seizes kids' lunches over past due balances - 2/1/2014 7:55:40 PM

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You don't know that...I don't know that...but like I said if as reported then the blame is not with the kids but with school policy and the parents that put the school in that situation.

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RE: School seizes kids' lunches over past due balances - 2/1/2014 8:23:49 PM

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You don't know that...I don't know that...but like I said if as reported then the blame is not with the kids but with school policy and the parents that put the school in that situation.

The responsibility of paying for the lunches was in the hands of adults.

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RE: School seizes kids' lunches over past due balances - 2/1/2014 8:42:47 PM

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But Marc... what if the parents were giving the kids lunch money and they were spending it somewhere else?...what if the school had notified both children and parents on more than one occasion that they would not be given free lunches?... what if the children knew they were not to get free lunches but filled their trays anyway...more than once?,,, what if the kids were to make and take lunches to school and did not do it... what if what if... Can you not see where there is at least a chance that some of these children deserved some of the blame?

I am perfectly willing to agree with the possibility that it is strictly the adults fault...but I can also see other possibilities that the reporting new soutlet would think would not sell as well.

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RE: School seizes kids' lunches over past due balances - 2/2/2014 3:01:22 AM

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But Marc... what if the parents were giving the kids lunch money and they were spending it somewhere else?...what if the school had notified both children and parents on more than one occasion that they would not be given free lunches?... what if the children knew they were not to get free lunches but filled their trays anyway...more than once?,,, what if the kids were to make and take lunches to school and did not do it... what if what if... Can you not see where there is at least a chance that some of these children deserved some of the blame?

I am perfectly willing to agree with the possibility that it is strictly the adults fault...but I can also see other possibilities that the reporting new soutlet would think would not sell as well.

The story refers to a school lunch "tab" so it sounds like an account that the parents would pay into. But that doesn't matter. Even if some of the children bore some responsibility it still does not justify how they were treated.

There was no reason for the public humiliation. There was no reason to take food away from hungry children and throw it out in front of them and everyone else. It would not have busted the school district to let them have those meals and contact the parents later.

Even if the school authorities had difficulty contacting the parents and/or if the children bore some responsibility, they could have taken the children aside after lunch and explained the situation. Humiliation does not solve the problem, it only creates a god awful memory that will be with them for life.

This is a case adults bullying children, nothing more.

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RE: School seizes kids' lunches over past due balances - 2/2/2014 4:53:39 PM

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But Marc... what if the parents were giving the kids lunch money and they were spending it somewhere else?...what if the school had notified both children and parents on more than one occasion that they would not be given free lunches?... what if the children knew they were not to get free lunches but filled their trays anyway...more than once?,,, what if the kids were to make and take lunches to school and did not do it... what if what if... Can you not see where there is at least a chance that some of these children deserved some of the blame?

I am perfectly willing to agree with the possibility that it is strictly the adults fault...but I can also see other possibilities that the reporting new soutlet would think would not sell as well.

Butch

No, no, and NO!

Are the children under 18? Why yes, I think that they are.

Can they enter into contracts?

Why no, I do not think that they can.

Are they allowed to go to work for wages?

Why no, they are not allowed to.

Who is responsible for what these children do legally?

Why, I think that the parents are.

Sorry, KD, you can say that they are not old enough to enlist or own a gun or to drink, and that is fine. But you cannot say in the same breath that they are old enough to take responsibility for their school lunch tab bill.

Either they are old enough to take care of such things, or they are not. And legally, they are not.

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RE: School seizes kids' lunches over past due balances - 2/2/2014 5:22:15 PM

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My grandson is 8 and he is responsible enough NOT to get a lunch without money... those kids are not too young to be responsible. All I am saying is we do not know if they had been warned before...you are making assumptions I will not make.

But I am not defending the school I am just saying we just do not know all the facts...and I will not jump on a fire the bad school officials until I do.

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RE: School seizes kids' lunches over past due balances - 2/2/2014 8:09:17 PM

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But heaven forbid that the multi-millionaire politicians and redundant layers of education executives should miss a dime... or that all of these cuts over the last few years should see a single penny go back to the taxpayers.

That's just crazy talk, right?

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RE: School seizes kids' lunches over past due balances - 2/2/2014 9:56:08 PM

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http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57472249-78/district-lunch-lunches-students.html.csp

This is an outrage. There is an investigation of this, but apparently, some kids went through the cafeteria line, got their lunches, but then someone realized they had a negative balance on their account, so they took their lunches and threw them in the trash. They gave them a piece of fruit and some milk instead.

No news here. This is after all...America, land with the multi culture of money, profits and greed.

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RE: School seizes kids' lunches over past due balances - 2/4/2014 11:34:06 PM

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I think it's terrible that they treated kids this way. If they were going to let them take a free lunch from the line, then let them take it. When I was in school, you had to have the money with you or you got nothing, and I don't think that was a great policy, but if you're not going to do that, if you're going to let people get lunch on credit, then don't give it to them and then go back and take it away again.

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RE: School seizes kids' lunches over past due balances - 2/5/2014 12:02:47 AM

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Wow whats next, will they have Operation Repo or Lizzard Lick Towing repo the lunches right under these kids faces. When I was in school the cafeteria ladies would get mad when the kids did not eat their veggies, they said once it left the kitchen, it could not be put back in. My elementary school made great home cooked meals, by middle and high school the quality sucked.

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RE: School seizes kids' lunches over past due balances - 3/5/2014 7:19:38 PM

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This lovely story brought the thread to mind.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/year-olds-heart-gold-helps-pay-off-students/story?id=22756619

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RE: School seizes kids' lunches over past due balances - 3/5/2014 7:29:00 PM

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Has something happened to the reduced and free lunch programs? There used to be programs that got poor kids school meals for reduced fees or for free. Did those programs get shut down?

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RE: School seizes kids' lunches over past due balances - 3/5/2014 8:11:54 PM

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There is another quite probable scenario that no one has mentioned. And, I know a kid that pulled the stunt.

Mama gives the kids lunch money for the week that is supposed to be given to the cafeteria.

Kit spends the money at the convenience market and tells the teacher his mama never gave him any money and begs a credit lunch off the cafeteria.
After a while, the bad judgement finally comes to roost.

In the case I was witness to; Mama told them to make him go hungry because he WAS given money for the weekly lunch fee and never give him a credit lunch again without calling her.

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RE: School seizes kids' lunches over past due balances - 3/5/2014 9:02:06 PM

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There is another quite probable scenario that no one has mentioned. And, I know a kid that pulled the stunt.

Mama gives the kids lunch money for the week that is supposed to be given to the cafeteria.

Kit spends the money at the convenience market and tells the teacher his mama never gave him any money and begs a credit lunch off the cafeteria.
After a while, the bad judgement finally comes to roost.

In the case I was witness to; Mama told them to make him go hungry because he WAS given money for the weekly lunch fee and never give him a credit lunch again without calling her.

In the case you mentioned that was a parental decision. And the right one based on the kids action. Sent the right message. Spend your food money and you starve. Let the consequences teach their own lesson.

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RE: School seizes kids' lunches over past due balances - 3/7/2014 8:37:31 AM

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"Let them eat cake" has morphed into "Let them eat fruit." In evolutionary terms, this is just one proud moment for humanity.

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RE: School seizes kids' lunches over past due balances - 3/8/2014 2:33:19 AM

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I seriously doubt anyone is going to be bothered for life because someone in the cafeteria threw out their lunch and gave them fruit instead.

Still, that doesn't excuse embarrassing the kids, wasting food, and having an inefficient and problem-ridden payment system in the first place. When I was in elementary school, you either brought a lunch, were on the free lunch list, or the teacher collected your cash BEFORE you went to lunch. If you didn't bring a lunch or money and you weren't on the free lunch list, you got a plain peanut butter sandwich and milk. (I guess they had an alternative for kids with peanut allergies. There weren't any in my class so I don't know exactly how that was handled.)

They could have the students take the extras that can be put back (extra milk cartons or juice, etc.), then pay the cashier, then get their meals, so anyone whose account is negative puts the extra stuff back and gets a bland but adequate alternate meal instead.

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RE: School seizes kids' lunches over past due balances - 3/8/2014 7:38:49 AM

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I'm gonna catch hell for this but, what else is new?

I think that since we require children between certain ages to go to school, the food should be provided by the school system/Board of Education/Municipality/County ... what the fuck ever.

Then, stuff like this would never happen. To shame a young child because their parents either can't or won't pay is visiting the sins of the father upon the son.

I actually agree with you.

And to treat a child this way is unconscionable -- it's bullying, by people who should know better.

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RE: School seizes kids' lunches over past due balances - 3/8/2014 9:02:04 AM

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If you actually look at the budget for a school district you will find that all school lunches are subsidized but a portion is required to be paid by the persons being fed unless granted a waiver by application claiming poverty. It varies regionally and some areas there are no hot lunches but the kids bring their lunch in a lunchbox.

Most areas that do provide hot lunches for students do so on a no margin at cost manner out of the cheapest low bid ingredients they can get. (I still have nightmares about school lunches. I can't even look at rutabega after being forced to eat a school lunch serving of them that smelled like fermented sweatsocks.)

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RE: School seizes kids' lunches over past due balances - 3/8/2014 9:08:46 AM

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. . . and the point sails over his head, while he chews on a tangent.

Maybe the sun's in his eyes.

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RE: School seizes kids' lunches over past due balances - 3/9/2014 3:11:24 AM

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And to treat a child this way is unconscionable -- it's bullying, by people who should know better.

In other food news, this just in:

2-year-old suspended from daycare for cheese sandwich

Yeah, you read it right.

K.

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