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ORIGINAL: Paladinagain

actually the FACTS lean toward creationism.

The "facts" of evolution are totally erroneous.

Those promoting evolution rely on the fact that most people do not have the technical background to realize what bullshit it is.

There are twice as many scientists that would support creationism than evolution, but the established political machinery of today’s "scientific community" attempts to crush all who would oppose the lie.

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Stupid is too strong I guess...I was just looking forward to the type of debate Tyson could bring.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Paladinagain

actually the FACTS lean toward creationism.

The "facts" of evolution are totally erroneous.

Those promoting evolution rely on the fact that most people do not have the technical background to realize what bullshit it is.

There are twice as many scientists that would support creationism than evolution, but the established political machinery of today’s "scientific community" attempts to crush all who would oppose the lie.

Bullshit.

Present any facts you think support creationism.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b
I watched the debate live and, aside from the rambling about bow ties in the beginning, I thought Bill Nye did a fantastic job. He was honest enough to admit when science has yet to come up with an explanation for something

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The problem is the Gish Gallop.
The creationist will throw out lies at a ferocious pace on a wide variety of scientific topics that no single scientist could possibly be prepared to refute.
An example by the "creator"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx6UKslLPso
which is why most people involved in the science education side of this think these "debates" are a waste of time.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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The problem is the Gish Gallop.
The creationist will throw out lies at a ferocious pace on a wide variety of scientific topics that no single scientist could possibly be prepared to refute.
An example by the "creator"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx6UKslLPso
which is why most people involved in the science education side of this think these "debates" are a waste of time.

I'm well aware of the creationist tactics designed to hide the fact that they're full of shit. I am also aware that many in the scientific community consider debating creationists to be giving them a credibility they don't deserve.
But the fact remains that far to many Americans don't understand why creationists are idiots when they say things like "evolution is only a theory," or "evolution can't explain the origins of life." The scientific community
needs to be more proactive in educating the public about science and the scientific method. This is a battle that needs to be waged in the schools, the courts, and the public sphere (to be fair, many are already waging this battle but things need to be stepped up).
Debates would be part of that battle. All of it broadcasted live.

The debate I would like to see? Three of the top (good debaters as well as scientifically brilliant) scientists - Tyson, Dawkins (if he can be convinced), and ? - versus three "top" creationists. Each team would have three backup members - Aron Ra, ?, ? - with access to the internet
and whatever research ("research" in the creationists case) they desire. This would not leave the burden of having to be omnipotent on one person. A three hour long debate (with a midway break of course) with opening statements, questions to each other, questions from the audience,
and closing statements.

And one more thing . . . no mercy for the creationists. Exposes them liars and idiots they are.

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I think you will find that no creationist will agree to that sort of debate. They want the sort that happened between Nye and Ham. 2 guys behind podiums with a time limit and no ability to research the others claims. The scum over at answersingenesis
(Ham's group) are claiming victory even now because the fools who send them money believe them when they tell them that every thing Nye couldn't refute is true.

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I was in Calcutta many years agao and for some weird reason, one of the crew I was with wanted a bible............He got a lot of blank looks from the locals and most asked "What is a bible ?" until one a little more knowledgeable than the others said "It is a
story book written by the christians"................Kinda like "Winnie the Pooh" I guess, but slightly less believable.

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

LOL..................it's gonna be damned crowded if all the non-christians are all packed in there along with the politicians, judges, lawyers and bent cops !!!......................I hope nobody drops a few a-bombs or they will all be lining up to get in there at the same time.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
The creationist will throw out lies at a ferocious pace

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

The man-crush continues......