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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/6/2014 11:26:52 PM   
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I see the intelligentsia are starting to pile in, so here's a twofer:

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

That's an appeal to authority logical fallacy piled on top of your earlier strawman fallacy.

I have no idea what straw man you think you're talking about, and I doubt you do either, but I never claimed that the proposition was true. I just showed that scientists with a lot more expertise in the field than the person calling me ignorant consider it tenable. That is not an Appeal to Authority fallacy.

An appeal to authority is an argument from the fact that a person judged to be an authority affirms a proposition to the claim that the proposition is true. ~Source

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the hypothesis of Panspermia, where earth was essentially "fertilized" by extraterrestrials.

Panspermia has nothing to do with freaking "extraterrestrials."

Panspermia ... is the hypothesis that life exists throughout the Universe, distributed by meteoroids, asteroids, comets and planetoids. ~Source

Further resources.

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/6/2014 11:52:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata

I see the intelligentsia are starting to pile in, ...

K.



I hear ya! If only the intelligent would show up, instead.





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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/7/2014 12:25:23 AM   
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All I'm hearing is semantics, and denial after the pedantic bluster ran out of hot air. Again. Whatever happened to taking personal responsibility?




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ORIGINAL: Kirata


~ FR ~

I see the intelligentsia are starting to pile in, so here's a twofer:

quote:

ORIGINAL: EdBowie

That's an appeal to authority logical fallacy piled on top of your earlier strawman fallacy.

I have no idea what straw man you think you're talking about, and I doubt you do either, but I never claimed that the proposition was true. I just showed that scientists with a lot more expertise in the field than the person calling me ignorant consider it tenable. That is not an Appeal to Authority fallacy.

An appeal to authority is an argument from the fact that a person judged to be an authority affirms a proposition to the claim that the proposition is true. ~Source

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

the hypothesis of Panspermia, where earth was essentially "fertilized" by extraterrestrials.

Panspermia has nothing to do with freaking "extraterrestrials."

Panspermia ... is the hypothesis that life exists throughout the Universe, distributed by meteoroids, asteroids, comets and planetoids. ~Source

Further resources.

K.




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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/7/2014 1:59:09 AM   
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It's kind of ironic that the amount of informations science knows confuses some people so much.

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/7/2014 2:59:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


~ FR ~

I see the intelligentsia are starting to pile in, so here's a twofer:

quote:

ORIGINAL: EdBowie

That's an appeal to authority logical fallacy piled on top of your earlier strawman fallacy.

I have no idea what straw man you think you're talking about, and I doubt you do either, but I never claimed that the proposition was true. I just showed that scientists with a lot more expertise in the field than the person calling me ignorant consider it tenable. That is not an Appeal to Authority fallacy.

An appeal to authority is an argument from the fact that a person judged to be an authority affirms a proposition to the claim that the proposition is true. ~Source

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

the hypothesis of Panspermia, where earth was essentially "fertilized" by extraterrestrials.

Panspermia has nothing to do with freaking "extraterrestrials."

Panspermia ... is the hypothesis that life exists throughout the Universe, distributed by meteoroids, asteroids, comets and planetoids. ~Source

Further resources.

K.


So I guess you don't know what a codon is and can't actually defend the nonsense you were peddling. how usual....

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/7/2014 3:07:17 AM   
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All I'm hearing is semantics... Whatever happened to taking personal responsibility?

That's exactly right. Semantics is the study of meaning. Now all you have to do is work on the second part.

I'll hold my breath.

K.

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/7/2014 3:11:42 AM   
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So I guess you don't know what a codon is and can't actually defend the nonsense you were peddling. how usual....

The only thing I'm "peddling" is the fact that your dismissal of a view that differs from own as ignorant is ill-informed.

How usual....

K.




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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/7/2014 6:51:29 AM   
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"I see the intelligentsia are starting to pile in"....


"dismissal of a view that differs from own as ignorant"


Food for thought....

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/7/2014 6:56:49 AM   
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The man-crush continues......



Step carefully there, Owner59. That homophobic gaybasher streak of yours is showing. You wouldn't want to lose you OFA gig, would you? In this economy?



How Freudian....


Besides.....I can`t possibly be homophobic..... according to republican-bigot-rules.....I have some gay friends....

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/7/2014 8:29:35 AM   
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Tappity tap tap tapitty.
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Semantics is commonly used to refer to a trivial point or distinction that revolves around mere words rather than significant issues: “To argue whether the medication killed the patient or contributed to her death is to argue over semantics.”

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I haven't advanced a position, I don't have to do anything, except point out blatant logical fallacies and watch the predictable reactions.



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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: EdBowie

All I'm hearing is semantics... Whatever happened to taking personal responsibility?

That's exactly right. Semantics is the study of meaning. Now all you have to do is work on the second part.

I'll hold my breath.

K.




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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/7/2014 10:47:17 AM   
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Debate implies that there are two positions which can be stated and defended using logic and facts.

There is no debate over faith, since it can shape the parameters of its dogma in infinite ways without having to back up any of them.

Hey wait a minute now. I have a right to create my own god and a right to say...what he tells me to do and how much faith I have in him.

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/7/2014 10:49:24 AM   
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FR

I tried watching but lacked the patience for the 13-minute countdown.

I doubt it would have been worth it even if you had had the patience. Evolution/Creation debates seem invariably to descend into one side proclaiming theology as fact and the other side proclaiming theory as fact. In short, a pissing contest between priests.

Frankly, the notion that all life evolved from a single common ancestor has always struck me as likely to be no less a made up story than Genesis. If life arose once, why not more than once, in different forms in different niches? I could see all plants having a common ancestor, for example, but while natural selection works fine to explain speciation it seems increasingly inadequate when called upon to account for the phyla and kingdoms.

Superficially, these arguments appear to center on a literal interpretation of Genesis, i.e., a God who is "outside" nature "creating" the world and its creatures. But in most of the debates, evolution is just being used as a stalking horse for abiogenesis, i.e., "spontaneous generation" dressed up in a new clown suit, just like Creationism changed costumes to become "Intelligent Design."

Which brings us back to the pissing contest between priests. Meanwhile, of course, it's possible to view the universe as a manifestation of Deity, in which case there's no conflict between evolution and believing in God as the source of all life. But then, of course, the clergy couldn't have any fun.

K.


Except that evolution in species is no longer a theory...it is fact and has been proven in the science of the laboratory. Scientists have bacteria evolve right before our eyes.

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/7/2014 11:29:17 AM   
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Uh, folks, I really hate to be the bearer of bad news, but some scientists believe that we could be a part of a very huge computer simulation, and there for we were created by a software publisher.

.....and there are others who say we are a mutation of the bipedal species designed only to be smart enough to mine gold for the Anunnaki. For example, the bible has relatively few words about Adam & Eve but the Sumerians wrote a whole chapter with instruction to not only be fruitful and multiply (and they did hey) but near the end of which telling Adam to go south young man...go south.

What was south ? Well if you keep going almost directly south...you find what was 75,000 gold mines from which this 'brand new' huge labor force was to mine gold...for the Gods and where even today in certain yet limited areas you lose your GPS and then cell communications. This is also an area very restricted and a place where avenues are blocked, holes filled in and whose artifacts have already been 'cleaned up' by the south African govt. Geee...I wonder why.

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/7/2014 11:38:03 AM   
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maybe we could re-institute the old roman games again on a bigger scale and send as many as possible to discuss our unbelief, face to face with their god. If they can find it of course

We already have our 'Roman' games...it's called football.

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/7/2014 11:39:24 AM   
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LOL..................it's gonna be damned crowded if all the non-christians are all packed in there along with the politicians, judges, lawyers and bent cops !!!......................I hope nobody drops a few a-bombs or they will all be lining up to get in there at the same time.


Dude, you dont have to be christian to get to heaven, you just have to live a good life.

As for those I put in bold, the Devil already said they give sinning a bad name. They going to Centralia PA.

I thought it was Dayton.

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/7/2014 12:10:20 PM   
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If science was just willing to discover exactly what all the different religious folks mistakenly believe, there would be no conflict.

Or

If religion would just stay out of science...


Of the two, which is actually possible? And, key, to accomplish that, would we have to do more than take away someones' power? The power to tell YOU that belief is more valuable than fact. Ahem, ...THEIR belief, not yours.

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/7/2014 12:28:24 PM   
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Uh, folks, I really hate to be the bearer of bad news, but some scientists believe that we could be a part of a very huge computer simulation, and there for we were created by a software publisher.

.....and there are others who say we are a mutation of the bipedal species designed only to be smart enough to mine gold for the Anunnaki. For example, the bible has relatively few words about Adam & Eve but the Sumerians wrote a whole chapter with instruction to not only be fruitful and multiply (and they did hey) but near the end of which telling Adam to go south young man...go south.

What was south ? Well if you keep going almost directly south...you find what was 75,000 gold mines from which this 'brand new' huge labor force was to mine gold...for the Gods and where even today in certain yet limited areas you lose your GPS and then cell communications. This is also an area very restricted and a place where avenues are blocked, holes filled in and whose artifacts have already been 'cleaned up' by the south African govt. Geee...I wonder why.



Do you mind posting links to any scientist that actually believes this and is taken seriously?

This Ancient Aliens crap is really a load of bs.

Sorry but if aliens did seed this planet and created humans for slaves, where are they now?

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/7/2014 1:21:30 PM   
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They're already here, I mean with conservatives trying to take away people's rights and keeping the minimum wage low if not get rid of it completely, sounds like an alien enslavement plot to me

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/7/2014 1:58:52 PM   
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They're already here, I mean with conservatives trying to take away people's rights and keeping the minimum wage low if not get rid of it completely, sounds like an alien enslavement plot to me


No, that is more of a religious theocracy with a bit of Eugenics thrown in for fun, add to that the need for the christian right to make sure than sinners dont sin, you get secret religious police and a modern version of the Spanish Inquisition.

Of course, those of us like me, who are against organized religion will form "Heresy" militias and fight for the rights of the Sadist, Masochists, Gays, furries, and junk food junkies.

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RE: Evolution/Creation debate - 2/7/2014 1:58:53 PM   
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So I guess you don't know what a codon is and can't actually defend the nonsense you were peddling. how usual....

The only thing I'm "peddling" is the fact that your dismissal of a view that differs from own as ignorant is ill-informed.

How usual....

K.

So you made a bunch of claims about a subject which you know nothing about. That's called the argument from ignorance and is yet another logical fallacy.

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