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RE: Kali, some help here... - 2/20/2014 6:47:07 AM

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We try to keep it at $400..

I spend $200 a month and eat a lot of organic, so it is entirely possible for the two of you to eat a healthy diet for $400 a month.

However, none of my food dollars go towards soda, McNuggets, or fast food in general. I eat a lot of chicken and eggs and tend to limit red meat to once per month as it costs more and has more fat.

Processed food costs a lot more and is less healthy than food you buy in bulk and make from scratch. Real food takes longer to make, but you'll be burning calories while you're cooking :)

How far away are you from a big health food store like Whole Foods or Trader Joes? I go once per month and stock up on non-perishable bulk staples.

I hafta agree with this.
Processed food - all of it - is unhealthy and expensive.
Since being diagnosed with diabetes in 1999 I have completely changed my eating habits and saved a small fortune in the process.
We cook just about everything from scratch and with fresh ingredients.
I'm not keen on beans/pulses/lentils and stuff generally in health food stores etc

but we use fresh veggies.
Sometimes our budget for food shopping is as little as £8 ($13) for the week for 3 adults.
Generally, its about £20 ($32) and yes, we make it work!!

We never ever buy those processed foods.
Rarely eat fried stuff and don't buy pre-packaged or frozen foods.
Sometimes cheat with ready-made (butcher's own recipe) sausages - not supermarket brand stuff.
We don't buy take-outs or ready meals and certainly never any shit like soda or chips or other kiddie snacks.
Kids want a drink?? Plenty of water in the tap!

We have it better here in that we don't allow GM products to get into our food chain or animal feeds.
Whole food or healthy eating shops are waay out of our price range.
If we had as much as $400 a month for food shopping - we'd be living like kings!
We don't buy any fruit unless it's dirt cheap cuz the budget don't stretch that far.
Stuff like hamburger meat (prepacked) is just stupid and expensive.
Seriously Shahar, you are still buying the wrong stuff to eat sensibly on a tight budget.
And bear in mind, our general cost of living is 3x more than in the US.

ETA: We couldn't afford 'organic' foods - way too expensive for us.
Organic is at least double the price of 'regular' fresh foods here.

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RE: Kali, some help here... - 2/20/2014 7:08:52 AM

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Actually, the price of food in the US is much much more expensive than in the UK in general, in case you want to avoid GM food, it becomes even more expensive, as for the water, like in the US I can't drink tab water, tastes awful, like I'm trying to drink from the public swimming pool. Seriously, the idea that food shopping is much cheaper in the US is a myth, clothes, phones, electrics, yes, certainly, but food I found dreadfully expensive.

I'm pretty much into healthy foods (I don't eat meat, OH does), the only meat we buy is free ranged, I tend to eat a lot of fruit and veg, and with 2 people I budget around £100 a week for 2 adults, and I do check the reduced sections pretty regularly and time my shopping, including going to Aldi. Everything is made from scratch, no processed foods, but if you want halfway decent quality, it does cost and since I only have this one body, I might as well take care of it.

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RE: Kali, some help here... - 2/20/2014 7:23:00 AM

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Actually, the price of food in the US is much much more expensive than in the UK in general, in case you want to avoid GM food, it becomes even more expensive, as for the water, like in the US I can't drink tab water, tastes awful, like I'm trying to drink from the public swimming pool. Seriously, the idea that food shopping is much cheaper in the US is a myth, clothes, phones, electrics, yes, certainly, but food I found dreadfully expensive.

I'm pretty much into healthy foods (I don't eat meat, OH does), the only meat we buy is free ranged, I tend to eat a lot of fruit and veg, and with 2 people I budget around £100 a week for 2 adults, and I do check the reduced sections pretty regularly and time my shopping, including going to Aldi. Everything is made from scratch, no processed foods, but if you want halfway decent quality, it does cost and since I only have this one body, I might as well take care of it.

Sorry, don't agree.
At least not for NC (Raliegh) and FL (Jax & Tampa) where I lived for 8 months.
I think the only exceptions were potatoes and bread.
Everything else was much cheaper.
And.... eat all you like for $5 (£3.12) a head? Where can you do that in the UK??
Certainly nowhere around here that's for sure.
That said, with the current dreadful weather in Cali and other places, it'll probably rocket in price.

£100 a week for food?? Jeez! We don't have that for a whole month for 3 of us.

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RE: Kali, some help here... - 2/20/2014 7:37:49 AM

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I can feed myself in South Florida and South of Boston for $200 a month, which includes organic for the produce most pesticided, Cabot or organic dairy, and meat that's humanely raised.

I spend more on these items, but have more money available due to never buying many of the items the OP and her mother eat, such as soda and McNuggets.

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RE: Kali, some help here... - 2/20/2014 7:45:48 AM

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When was the last time you were in the US? I regularly spend a few months in LA, and it takes time to get used to the prices of food there. If you eat out, that's cheaper than in the UK, but possibly not the healthiest food and processed to hell and back (and $5 for all you can eat, I wouldn't dare to go near that stuff, then you add the tax and the tip and it's not $5 anymore), but just buying general food, I was seriously shocked, even Trader Joe's that's considered quite cheap over there is rather expensive compared to Tesco and Sainsbury.

I have a ton of allergies, so I buy mainly organic, let me put it this way, if I'm sick and can't work because I'm getting eczema and asthma, it's going to cost me a lot more, so it makes sense to avoid pesticides and not doing so would be false economy. Hubby eats meat on occasion, I don't think the mass produced stuff is healthy, so he rather has less meat but free ranged meat from the butcher. We run our own company, if we get sick it's loss of income and possibly losing clients, you can't expect your body to work well if you're filling it up with crap fuel. Additionally, hubby was putting on a lot of weight, he was never dainty (ex rugby player with a very solid build) and the risk for heart diseases is higher for guys who happen to be barrel chested, so we made quite a few changes in our diet. In my teens and twenties my body could deal with crap food, not sure if it still could, but simply not willing to put it to the test.

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RE: Kali, some help here... - 2/20/2014 9:19:19 AM

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Kali, I'm fascinated by the possible link between bipolar and the keto diet. My daughter has recently made drastic changes to her diet following gall bladder surgery, and is seeing a difference in her illness. Thank you for that link.

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RE: Kali, some help here... - 2/20/2014 9:30:43 AM

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I always find going to the local butcher's is far cheaper than let's say Publix. I can get 5 large packs of meat for $20 or 40 lbs of chicken for $40. At Publix so much of our food budget would go in getting a handful of items.
I love to cook so it enables me to eat as healthy as I want. No precooked meals unless REALLY in a hurry. Otherwise I cook the meat, rice, beans, veggies etc from scratch. And the meal can last two days. My food budget even for two people is very low usually because I check the circulars and I'm extremely frugal when it comes to such things.
The keto diet looks great, however I would consume more protein than fat, and you can train your body to use fats the way it does carbs with a lessened carb, increased fat intake.
I just had reese's puffs cereal though (LOL) so I'm definitely not anal retentive of my diet 24/7 but if I have a fitness/aesthetic hurdle to overcome or goal to reach, then yes, definitely.
I like having an extremely defined back for example even on my small frame.
Something I found interesting was when people asserted apple cider may help people with diabetes and even their skin and possibly overall health.
WebMD might have some more answers pertaining to that.

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RE: Kali, some help here... - 2/20/2014 9:35:50 AM

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I'm thinking she must have celiacs disease or diverticulitis, right?

If that is the case http://www.dadamo.com

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RE: Kali, some help here... - 2/20/2014 9:55:09 AM

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I always find going to the local butcher's is far cheaper than let's say Publix.

Out here a butcher is a boutique store, so they're more expensive. We do have a chain of grocery stores called Fresh and Easy, and their meat is very reasonable. We also have a store called Sprouts, which is tons cheaper than Whole Foods..and of course we have Trader Joes. The upside is that we have wonderful farmer's markets and food co-ops because a lot of the fruits and veggies are grown nearby.

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RE: Kali, some help here... - 2/20/2014 10:08:29 AM

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Yes, I got amazing quality and priced produce at farm stands last year and was really sad when they closed for the season, which happens here in New England.

There's a year round overpriced yuppie farmer's market that I avoid to my east and a reasonable one to my west that closed after Christmas but is reopening this month.

http://www.localharvest.org/
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RE: Kali, some help here... - 2/20/2014 12:53:01 PM

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My brother has tilled up most of his property and I tried to plant onions this morning until my back started to act up. Damn fool brought too many to plant which tells me he wants to start selling at farmer markets. I am getting squash seeds on the 28th unless I find them cheaper...got to have fresh green beans. I just got my Burpee catalog so I am ordering some tomato plants. This year, we are hitting the farmer markets as well because we are running out of plum jelly. It is just too early for the markets at this time. If I had a greenhouse, I would be raising organic vegetables. I am trying to save up money for an anime con this year in August with Lizard (who want the plum jelly as well...)

Tonight we are having butterfly pork chops. We finish cutting them in half and have 4 perfect chops at the right size. I avoid getting the assorted pork chops because of the bones and fat. Green beans and mixed green salad (my favorite with regular ranch dressing w/out HFCS and bacon bits). Maybe some winter mix with pepper...

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RE: Kali, some help here... - 2/21/2014 9:31:24 AM

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Whole Foods is over 150 miles away from us and Mom swears she will never drive in Dallas, Houston or Austin (too many crazy drivers). When the local markets open up in the next month or so, we will hit them. That is when the peaches and strawberries start coming out.

Don't knock the lean hamburger...with 7% fat, we can drain it and have several meals from it. The low fat actually does not affect my IBS at all. I am cooking some with Hamburger Helper tonight. I am thinking of slow cooking a roast on Sunday for a family dinner...I'll bring that idea up to Mom when she gets back from the hospital.

Mom is getting shots in her back today and I get to see the same doctor Monday (I knew they were going to call me yesterday). I had to use bio-freeze on my legs this morning. I got a feeling that I will get the shots again this year to help eliminate the back pain (I get back pains when I get up in the mornings and most of the time have to put on a back brace for an hour or two). Mom and I can't stand too long...I timed mine at 30 minutes, Mom a little bit longer. She is able to walk in the stores while I have to use a motorized cart because I get spasms after a certain time period (15 to 20 I think).

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RE: Kali, some help here... - 2/21/2014 10:49:46 AM

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Ya, I mentioned to you in another thread how wearing Asics Gel sneakers lets me avoid pain while walking in big box stores.

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RE: Kali, some help here... - 2/21/2014 11:36:13 AM

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I looked at their website...finding something on my budget in my size is hard. I don't trust the sellers on eBay (half the shoes look worn, missing laces...). I also have to deal with edema so the shoes has to be Velcro to allow for swelling.

I just found out my brother brought 1,000 baby onion plants! I swear that Humvee hit his head when it rolled over on him...I am content with a large tomato plant and some herbs...

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RE: Kali, some help here... - 2/24/2014 5:49:49 PM

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I am getting a procedure done on Friday. Saw the doctor today and I asked him to write down the diet he wants Mom and me to be on.

IT IS THE PALEO DIET, LIKE I WAS ASKING ABOUT MONTHS AGO!!!

So we are going through the pantry tomorrow. I am tired right now...had a gout attack before dinner. I don't think Mom wants me to run around the trailer half naked with my brace on.

The desk clerk told me to get the Almond Milk, not the soy milk. Sams sells the 3 pack for $7...no plans to go out of town now, need to get my gout meds in the next day or two.

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RE: Kali, some help here... - 2/24/2014 6:04:21 PM

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Don't buy soda for the kids. They don't need it and will be much healthier without it. Use the savings for healthy foods.

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RE: Kali, some help here... - 2/24/2014 6:20:45 PM

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If money was an issue and I needed to eat super healthy I'd be getting rid of most animal proteins and work in a lot of plant proteins. Much less expensive. I refuse to buy soda.......EVER. Most of what we drink is iced green tea I brew and keep in a pitcher in the fridge. I drink a lot of water as well. Generic Dude puts a little lemon juice in his water. I often have some when I get up in the morning as well.

We've both realized that, as we've gotten older our bodies are more sensitive to lactose (no more milk), processed carbs (just worthless calories anyway) and red meats ( only once or twice a week now ).

My weakness is totally.......... cheese. And chocolate is the 5th major food group. But even chocolate is a treat now, not a daily thing.

Fast food is a rare, occasional thing. I have a weakness for KFC, sad I know. We get it once or twice a year.

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RE: Kali, some help here... - 2/24/2014 6:32:13 PM

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Have you seen this?

The Beginner's Guide to the Paleo Diet

...Okay, so if we cut out the grains, almost all processed foods, and dairy, you’re left with only things that occur naturally:

- Meat - GRASS-FED, not grain-fed. Grain causes the same problem in animals as they do in humans.
- Fowl - Chicken, duck, hen, turkey…things with wings that (try to) fly.
- Fish - Wild fish, as mercury and other toxins can be an issue in farmed fish
- Eggs - Look for Omega-3 enriched eggs.
- Vegetables - As long as they’re not deep-fried, eat as many as you want.
- Oils - Olive oil, coconut oil, avocado oil – think natural.
- Fruits - Have natural sugar, and can be higher in calories, so limit if you’re trying to lose weight.
- Nuts - High in calories, so they’re good for a snack, but don’t eat bags and bags of them.
- Tubers - Sweet potatoes and yams. Higher in calories and carbs, so these are good for right after a workout to replenish your glycogen levels.

...But I can’t give up my muffin/pasta/bagel/pizza/bread!

Okay then, don’t try the Paleo Diet! Simple as that.

If you’re happy with how you look, your energy levels are good all day, and you don’t see any room for improvement, then keep doing what you’re doing – I won’t force you to eat like this. However, if you’ve been struggling with weight loss, have no energy throughout the day, need eight cups of coffee, hate counting calories, and want to start turning your life around today, why not give it a shot for 30 days?

TRY IT: If after 30 days you haven’t noticed a marked improvement in your quest for a better life, then go back to the donuts. It’s important to give yourself a full 30 days before passing judgment. Your body has to adjust from fueling itself on carbs and sugar to burning your stored fat for energy, which can take a few weeks.

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RE: Kali, some help here... - 2/24/2014 6:56:59 PM

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Here's the paleo thread you started last summer: Where does this go to? HELP!!

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RE: Kali, some help here... - 2/24/2014 7:19:27 PM

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I just found out my brother brought 1,000 baby onion plants! I swear that Humvee hit his head when it rolled over on him...I am content with a large tomato plant and some herbs...

Gardening is great exercise! I weeded out some bittersweet today at lunch time.

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