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DesideriScuri -> RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack (3/2/2014 12:32:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD No, I have not. I simply questioned whether the attack occurred as the Chinese described it. Then give us a plausible alternative. Sporks. You can put an eye out with those things!! Give it up, Bama. You know you can only kill people with guns, and nothing else. [:D]

BamaD -> RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack (3/2/2014 12:41:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD No, I have not. I simply questioned whether the attack occurred as the Chinese described it. Then give us a plausible alternative. Sporks. You can put an eye out with those things!! Give it up, Bama. You know you can only kill people with guns, and nothing else. [:D] I think that is his hang up but I want him to admit it.

BamaD -> RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack (3/2/2014 12:59:33 PM)
FR the death toll is now up to 33

Politesub53 -> RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack (3/2/2014 4:53:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD No, I have not. I simply questioned whether the attack occurred as the Chinese described it. Then give us a plausible alternative. Sporks. You can put an eye out with those things!! Give it up, Bama. You know you can only kill people with guns, and nothing else. [:D] Hence the reason for the OP..... It had nothing to do with events and everything to do with the fact knives were used. More bullshit excuses for owning guns.

DesideriScuri -> RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack (3/2/2014 10:49:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD No, I have not. I simply questioned whether the attack occurred as the Chinese described it. Then give us a plausible alternative. Sporks. You can put an eye out with those things!! Give it up, Bama. You know you can only kill people with guns, and nothing else. [:D] Hence the reason for the OP..... It had nothing to do with events and everything to do with the fact knives were used. More bullshit excuses for owning guns. Um, WTF does your response have to do with my response? Bama was arguing with Ken over the validity of the reporting. Ken questions whether or not knives were, in fact, the weapon used. Bama asked him to give a plausible alternative to the Chinese description of the attack. So, I made a joke (note the [:D]). The OP is showing that guns are not the only weapon that can be used to murder, which is touted as a reason to not ban guns. So, your response would have been quite on target had you responded to the OP. It wasn't even a FR, as Bama had 2 responses to the post you've quoted within 30 minutes, and your response was 4 hours after Bama's second one. Do you have a man-crush on me? [8D]

BamaD -> RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack (3/2/2014 11:01:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD No, I have not. I simply questioned whether the attack occurred as the Chinese described it. Then give us a plausible alternative. Sporks. You can put an eye out with those things!! Give it up, Bama. You know you can only kill people with guns, and nothing else. [:D] Hence the reason for the OP..... It had nothing to do with events and everything to do with the fact knives were used. More bullshit excuses for owning guns. Um, WTF does your response have to do with my response? Bama was arguing with Ken over the validity of the reporting. Ken questions whether or not knives were, in fact, the weapon used. Bama asked him to give a plausible alternative to the Chinese description of the attack. So, I made a joke (note the [:D]). The OP is showing that guns are not the only weapon that can be used to murder, which is touted as a reason to not ban guns. So, your response would have been quite on target had you responded to the OP. It wasn't even a FR, as Bama had 2 responses to the post you've quoted within 30 minutes, and your response was 4 hours after Bama's second one. Do you have a man-crush on me? [8D] I think it is a tragedy that 33 people died regardless of weapon type. Apparently some people are offended if someone is killed with something other than a gun.

Kirata -> RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack (3/2/2014 11:02:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Hence the reason for the OP..... It had nothing to do with events and everything to do with the fact knives were used. More bullshit excuses for owning guns. [image]http://arielsilverstone.com/wp-content/uploads/image004.jpg[/image] K.

BamaD -> RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack (3/2/2014 11:05:14 PM)
FR "Would you be happier if they were shoved out of windows little girl" Archie Bunker

BamaD -> RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack (3/2/2014 11:16:07 PM)
FR Now back to the subject. The Chinese blame this on a Muslim separatist group. However there are questions about this as both the location do no fit that groups SOP

Politesub53 -> RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack (3/3/2014 2:20:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD No, I have not. I simply questioned whether the attack occurred as the Chinese described it. Then give us a plausible alternative. Sporks. You can put an eye out with those things!! Give it up, Bama. You know you can only kill people with guns, and nothing else. [:D] Hence the reason for the OP..... It had nothing to do with events and everything to do with the fact knives were used. More bullshit excuses for owning guns. Um, WTF does your response have to do with my response? Bama was arguing with Ken over the validity of the reporting. Ken questions whether or not knives were, in fact, the weapon used. Bama asked him to give a plausible alternative to the Chinese description of the attack. So, I made a joke (note the [:D]). The OP is showing that guns are not the only weapon that can be used to murder, which is touted as a reason to not ban guns. So, your response would have been quite on target had you responded to the OP. It wasn't even a FR, as Bama had 2 responses to the post you've quoted within 30 minutes, and your response was 4 hours after Bama's second one. Do you have a man-crush on me? [8D] A man crush ? You wish [8D] As for the lateness of my reply, some of us have a life away from the PC. Joke or not, I simply made the point about why the thread was posted.

Politesub53 -> RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack (3/3/2014 2:29:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I think it is a tragedy that 33 people died regardless of weapon type. Apparently some people are offended if someone is killed with something other than a gun. Yeah right. Are you suggesting you started a thread on a story you dont believe and it had nothing to do with the fact it was carried out by knives. Was it so much of a tradegy you havent said one word about the victims until now ?

joether -> RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack (3/3/2014 3:23:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri The OP is showing that guns are not the only weapon that can be used to murder, which is touted as a reason to not ban guns. So, your response would have been quite on target had you responded to the OP. It wasn't even a FR, as Bama had 2 responses to the post you've quoted within 30 minutes, and your response was 4 hours after Bama's second one. No one on here is stating firearms are the only weapon that can be used for murder. That is the silliest argument in this thread! No, the OP's agenda is to promote the idea that if people were armed, things would have been much different. Yet leaves out something very obvious. If the citizens are able to obtain firearms easily, why not the criminals? The attack with firearms would have been much more devastating, since firearms are much more efficient mechanical devices of destruction. That if one or two people whipped out their firearms, they would have hosed down all ten attackers like some Modern Warfare game. Its a complete fantasy of the Op's underlying agenda. Its not based on any actual scientific evidence. Those attackers were operating in a squad like fashion. They had the element of surprised. An it was in ANOTHER COUNTRY. Those are the facts. Yet, OP basically hijacks the news story to insert their political agenda. Then tries to stack the events and evidence heavily in favor that his one gun would have taken down all ten firearm users. If he can have a firearm, THEY, can have firearms. Lets test it out scientifically. Place three people with pistols into a group of thirty unarmed individuals that are confederates (in that they know what will happen and told to scurry away quickly). A narrow corridor similar to a train platform or tunnel. Place the three individuals in different spots (front of the group, back of the group, mixed in, etc.). Have one group with individuals with firearms in hip holsters, another with concealable holsters, and a control group of US NAVY SEALs that know the direction of the attack and when it will happen. And we see what happens when the action takes place. Could even set it up that the three 'defenders' are not told who else has a firearm in that crowd and is 'on their side'. Now if we could do it safely it would be quite an interesting amount of data to collect and understand, wouldn't it? I'm all for doing such a study.

MercTech -> RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack (3/3/2014 9:35:39 AM)
Hmm, and during the Boxer Rebellion wasn't the most common weapon used was a meat cleaver. Knives are prevalent, easy to conceal, and can be logically explained away if someone notices you have it with you. Wrap it up like a recently purchased parcel and no one will bat an eye. Edged weapons tend to incite more fear than do firearms. Think about it; what is more terrifying between the knife wielding screaming barbarian or the sniper picking off the crowd? And, in close quarters a knife is more effective than a pistol. http://www.your-krav-maga-expert.com/gun-vs-knife.html If the perpetrators wanted to instill terror in a crowd and didn't care about extraction, they picked a good weapon.

Tkman117 -> RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack (3/3/2014 10:00:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech Edged weapons tend to incite more fear than do firearms. Think about it; what is more terrifying between the knife wielding screaming barbarian or the sniper picking off the crowd? I like how you make it a sniper picking off the corwd instead of a screaming barbarian wielding a rapid fire weapons, great comparison...[8\|]

Lucylastic -> RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack (3/3/2014 10:10:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I think it is a tragedy that 33 people died regardless of weapon type. Apparently some people are offended if someone is killed with something other than a gun. Yeah right. Are you suggesting you started a thread on a story you dont believe and it had nothing to do with the fact it was carried out by knives. Was it so much of a tradegy you havent said one word about the victims until now ? DING DING DING we have a winner. Obvious troll was obvious. and why I havent responded till now.. but you have it exactly right

DesideriScuri -> RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack (3/3/2014 10:55:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD No, I have not. I simply questioned whether the attack occurred as the Chinese described it. Then give us a plausible alternative. Sporks. You can put an eye out with those things!! Give it up, Bama. You know you can only kill people with guns, and nothing else. [:D] Hence the reason for the OP..... It had nothing to do with events and everything to do with the fact knives were used. More bullshit excuses for owning guns. Um, WTF does your response have to do with my response? Bama was arguing with Ken over the validity of the reporting. Ken questions whether or not knives were, in fact, the weapon used. Bama asked him to give a plausible alternative to the Chinese description of the attack. So, I made a joke (note the [:D]). The OP is showing that guns are not the only weapon that can be used to murder, which is touted as a reason to not ban guns. So, your response would have been quite on target had you responded to the OP. It wasn't even a FR, as Bama had 2 responses to the post you've quoted within 30 minutes, and your response was 4 hours after Bama's second one. Do you have a man-crush on me? [8D] A man crush ? You wish [8D] It's okay if it's your thing, but it's just not one of mine. Sorry to deflate your dream. [8D] quote: As for the lateness of my reply, some of us have a life away from the PC. Joke or not, I simply made the point about why the thread was posted. I have no problem with the time of your post. I questioned why you responded to my post. You have to actually choose to respond to my post. The default would have been a response to Bama.

DesideriScuri -> RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack (3/3/2014 10:56:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I think it is a tragedy that 33 people died regardless of weapon type. Apparently some people are offended if someone is killed with something other than a gun. Yeah right. Are you suggesting you started a thread on a story you dont believe and it had nothing to do with the fact it was carried out by knives. Was it so much of a tradegy you havent said one word about the victims until now ? Ken was the one questioning the particulars of the story, not Bama.

DesideriScuri -> RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack (3/3/2014 11:00:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri The OP is showing that guns are not the only weapon that can be used to murder, which is touted as a reason to not ban guns. So, your response would have been quite on target had you responded to the OP. It wasn't even a FR, as Bama had 2 responses to the post you've quoted within 30 minutes, and your response was 4 hours after Bama's second one. No one on here is stating firearms are the only weapon that can be used for murder. That is the silliest argument in this thread! You might want to try following the flow of the conversation so you don't miss important stuff. [8\|] quote: No, the OP's agenda is to promote the idea that if people were armed, things would have been much different. I'm not sure where you came up with that idea. Would you mind showing your support for the assertion?

BamaD -> RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack (3/3/2014 11:11:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri The OP is showing that guns are not the only weapon that can be used to murder, which is touted as a reason to not ban guns. So, your response would have been quite on target had you responded to the OP. It wasn't even a FR, as Bama had 2 responses to the post you've quoted within 30 minutes, and your response was 4 hours after Bama's second one. No one on here is stating firearms are the only weapon that can be used for murder. That is the silliest argument in this thread! No, the OP's agenda is to promote the idea that if people were armed, things would have been much different. Yet leaves out something very obvious. If the citizens are able to obtain firearms easily, why not the criminals? The attack with firearms would have been much more devastating, since firearms are much more efficient mechanical devices of destruction. That if one or two people whipped out their firearms, they would have hosed down all ten attackers like some Modern Warfare game. Its a complete fantasy of the Op's underlying agenda. Its not based on any actual scientific evidence. Those attackers were operating in a squad like fashion. They had the element of surprised. An it was in ANOTHER COUNTRY. Those are the facts. Yet, OP basically hijacks the news story to insert their political agenda. Then tries to stack the events and evidence heavily in favor that his one gun would have taken down all ten firearm users. If he can have a firearm, THEY, can have firearms. Lets test it out scientifically. Place three people with pistols into a group of thirty unarmed individuals that are confederates (in that they know what will happen and told to scurry away quickly). A narrow corridor similar to a train platform or tunnel. Place the three individuals in different spots (front of the group, back of the group, mixed in, etc.). Have one group with individuals with firearms in hip holsters, another with concealable holsters, and a control group of US NAVY SEALs that know the direction of the attack and when it will happen. And we see what happens when the action takes place. Could even set it up that the three 'defenders' are not told who else has a firearm in that crowd and is 'on their side'. Now if we could do it safely it would be quite an interesting amount of data to collect and understand, wouldn't it? I'm all for doing such a study. You might ask the OP about his agenda rather than engaging in a left wing fantasy. To the extent that there was a gun related agenda it was that evil people don't need guns to kill. This appears, if Chinese reports are to be believed, an act of terrorism. That makes it much different from "normal" crime. It seems that even the Chinese are attacked by Muslim extremists.

MercTech -> RE: 29 killed in Chinese Kife attack (3/3/2014 11:15:42 AM)
quote: Hence the reason for the OP..... It had nothing to do with events and everything to do with the fact knives were used. More bullshit excuses for owning guns. Who needs an excuse when the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States makes it a right to keep and bear arms?

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