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Take Responsibility - 3/7/2014 2:27:46 PM   
BenevolentM


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ORIGINAL: BecomingV

... It's as if we are worker ants whose only value is derived from our ability to make the rich richer.


If you look at the census data will may discover that even the so-called prosperous are poor. There is almost no one who is wealthy. All the wages are slave wages. There is no middle ground. Either you are a slave or you are wealthy. That is what the data says. Are we a bunch of worker ants? The short answer is yes. This implies that we are living in a communist state except that in this communist state there are no benefits.

pre-Holocaust? Perhaps for the following reason: If the goal is to kill us, suffering is an inefficient means to kill someone. Did the ancient Egyptians want to kill Israelites or was it their innocent intention to simply use them?


My solution is as thus. The wealthy are so few in number it is best for us to consider them an endangered species. In response we need to do three things.

(1) We either need to abolish the income tax and replace it either with a flat tax or a national sales tax.

(2) We must raise the minimum wage.

(3) We need to start providing ourselves with benefits because when you need money most it is scarce and when you need it least you have abundance.

The above is my political platform if anyone wants to jump on my bandwagon.

What I am saying is that the assault on the wealthy is an intellectual trap. We the slaves need to start taking responsibility. We need to be kind to our fellow man. It is not the sole responsibility of the rich to be generous.
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RE: Take Responsibility - 3/7/2014 3:16:29 PM   
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What I am saying is that the assault on the wealthy is an intellectual trap. We the slaves need to start taking responsibility. We need to be kind to our fellow man. It is not the sole responsibility of the rich to be generous.


I very much agree with this line of thinking.

I would also add that what we need is some New Deal type restructuring that is designed to redistribute the pie. Unfortunately we don't have politicians brave enough to go there. FDR was considered a traitor to his class for standing up for the middle and lower classes. We need some true leadership and not just people who want to line their own pockets.

If we continue to ignore what is happening to average Americans this country will go the way of Venezuela or Cuba. People need to understand that redistributive policies are not communism. But if we constantly insist on low taxes, no redistributive policies, gutting education, etc. we will actually end up with communism. Why? Because the people can only be held down so long. When the 80% decide to go after the 20% at the top, I wish the 20% good luck. The thing is the 80% can go after the 20% with policy, or go after the 20% with revolution. Changing policy to redistribute the pie will result in a more sustainable situation for us. Revolution almost guarantees dysfunction and poverty. We still have options open to us. But we have to be willing to reimagine the set-up. If FDR did it, so can we.


I feel we already have communism so the label communist is absurd. As it is it is one big commune! The difference is though we are a commune, we are not taking responsibility.

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RE: Take Responsibility - 3/7/2014 3:30:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		You do realize your poll result only has one entry? That's neither a real poll or question. Since 'no' is the opposite of 'yes'.....

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RE: Take Responsibility - 3/7/2014 3:33:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is apparent that we realized that we are living in a commune and it was felt that we had to do something about it, but what we did made the problem worse instead of better. I feel that we should take a different strategy. We need to realize that our income tax system was a communist conspiracy. The reason why is obvious. It punishes you for being wealthy and it forcefully states that you have a greater obligation to be generous than the rest of society, at gun point. Maybe you do, but shouldn't that be voluntary?

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RE: Take Responsibility - 3/7/2014 3:35:42 PM   
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You do realize your poll result only has one entry?


Yes, it was a mistake that I chose not to correct because it was brilliant.

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RE: Take Responsibility - 3/7/2014 3:43:58 PM   
BenevolentM


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Status: offline 		Wouldn't what I am proposing be hard on the very poor? Yes, and that is why I am proposing to raise the minimum wage and provide benefits. I explained why benefits are important. For example, when do you need medical insurance the most? When you have a job or when you lost it?

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RE: Take Responsibility - 3/7/2014 3:54:19 PM   
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RE: Take Responsibility - 3/7/2014 4:51:04 PM   
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If the goal is to kill us, suffering is an inefficient means to kill someone.


This is why social darwinism does not work. If the problem stems from the expression of defective genes, causing those who have the defective genes to suffer will not result in an extinction.

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RE: Take Responsibility - 3/7/2014 4:59:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Biology shows that unless there is an abrupt extinction event, gene re-expression only takes a few generations. Stressing an organism has little effect on gene expression. Alternatively, one can conclude that the problem has little to nothing to do with genes. So unless you want to take the position that the Nazis did you have no alternative except to embrace plan B.

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RE: Take Responsibility - 3/7/2014 5:02:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		What I wrote suggests that European socialism is what makes sense there is room to approach the matter differently by leveling the playing field and saying that everyone has an equal responsibility, i.e. a flat tax.

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RE: Take Responsibility - 3/7/2014 5:19:44 PM   
BenevolentM


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Status: offline 		Take a hundred birds that fly to some otherwise uninhabited island. 98 of the birds die from starvation, but one had a beak with a different shape from the others due to natural variation. It survives because it could find food and mates with the other remaining bird. Such an event will have an effect on gene expression.

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RE: Take Responsibility - 3/7/2014 5:21:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		If the bird with the superior beak was a male and the other bird was a female, how did the female survive? If the male bird was good to the female, it too would survive.

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RE: Take Responsibility - 3/7/2014 5:23:36 PM   
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RE: Take Responsibility - 3/8/2014 4:02:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		As evidence that social darwinism does not work consider all the effort that was put into suppressing homosexuality over a period of centuries, all the zero tolerance policies. If it is the result of the expression of genes, unless you are willing to condone genocide, little is achieved. If you feel it is a problem, it is a problem that is not going to go away any time soon.

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RE: Take Responsibility - 3/8/2014 4:16:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Kind of a one sided poll, one choice? And it is not even an answer.

As for is he right or wrong, I would say neither.

You cant know if a proposal will work until you try it.

As for his proposed political platform, eh, not sure.

I mean with the current crop of politicians available, electing Katie Morgan or Holly Madison makes as much sense.

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RE: Take Responsibility - 3/8/2014 4:27:51 AM   
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Kind of a one sided poll, one choice?


In a commune, there is only one right answer. Either you vote or you abstain; consequently, you do have a choice.

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RE: Take Responsibility - 3/8/2014 4:51:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Could it be that what people think is social darwinism, survival of the fitness, has little to do with genocide, death as a common side effect, but not the principle effect. It is instead an attempt to encourage useful behaviors; thus, it has nothing to do with survival of the fittest.

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RE: Take Responsibility - 3/8/2014 5:22:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		The beauty of my platform is that it is neither conservative nor liberal. It has no category.

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RE: Take Responsibility - 3/8/2014 5:40:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is clear that income tax brackets create class warfare. It makes the rich feel like they are under attack and encourages the poor to feel like helpless victims.

< Message edited by BenevolentM -- 3/8/2014 5:41:10 AM >

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RE: Take Responsibility - 3/8/2014 5:45:31 AM   
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It is clear that income tax brackets create class warfare. It makes the rich feel like they are under attack and encourages the poor to feel like helpless victims.


Instead of peace we have a continual state of war.

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