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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/18/2014 1:06:46 PM

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He's actually everything but the Hulk, he's one of the skinniest people I know, about 6 foot tall and about 62 kilos, the 8000 calories are when he isn't working out much or going climbing, when he goes climbing the high energy food supply he carries is usually more than his gear.

I went hiking with him once, basically just for a few hours and trying to walk the dogs out, he didn't have enough food with him and he literally started shaking in the sunshine from his blood sugar dropping, luckily I had some glucose tablets with me in my backpack, so we made it back to the next village where he ate 3 portions of fish'n'chips.

Went through all sorts of tests because he was always skinny but a few years ago his metabolism started to speed up so much that he looked like skin and bones and everybody was worried about cancer.

We all used to hate him for the amounts of food he could put away without gaining weight, but actually seeing somebody struggle to just maintain the minimum amount of weight he needs to have, it puts things in perspective.

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/18/2014 1:18:18 PM

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Thick smoothies are a great source of calories and nutrition, someone mentioned a banana and smooth peanut butter one, which is ideal.

To counter the smoothie would be soups, lentils can be added along with quinoa.

Extra creamy scrambled eggs cooked so they're very soft (not runny), can add a little smoked salmon to that finely chopped.

Fish pie with lots of creamy sauce topped with butternut squash/sweet potato mash - very soft consistency

Aubergine parmigiana - I used to make it a lot and one occasion over cooked the aubergine so they went very soft and it was still just as delicious.

A creamy thai chicken curry should be fine, high in calories and while the flavour is there it's not super spicy

Ground beef with mashed potatoes

Home made rice pudding, extra creamy

Avocados and olives are high calorie so you could always blend these individually and do a kind of tapas for him

Cheese n potato 'pie', or cheese sauce with vermicelli - enough cheese to sink a battle ship lol

I hope the above helps and your friend is soon on the mend.

All high calorie food but it doesn't go through a straw, it really needs to go through a straw the next few weeks to months, he's going to have a wired jaw for a while.

We just drove to the supermarket and got him a bunch of the high energy shakes, his girlfriend is there, she's fantastic but works as a nurse with mentally handicapped people or people suffering from dementia, so she doesn't always get home on time and is pretty often exhausted. But we're going to work out a plan between us and a bunch of other people, to just make sure there will be somebody dropping in at least once or twice a day as he's pretty zonked out on pain killers.

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/18/2014 1:29:22 PM

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You can get those straws that are slightly larger and flatten slightly near the end which goes in your friend's mouth, so just add more sauce when you blend the dishes as you don't have to rule out too much. So for the cheese sauce, make it ultra creamy so that the taste is there and the blended vermicelli will go up a straw.

Same with the fish pie. I had to feed someone that was on a puree diet and feed them with a tiny teaspoon, the sloppier the better. Ground beef - lots of gravy before blending. Aubergine parmigiana - lots of tomato sauce.

Puree meals for people that can't eat normal consistency food is tricky but achievable to give a balanced diet. When my son had a saliva duct infection and couldn't open his mouth for almost 3 weeks until the infection had cleared he had to suck up his meals with a straw so I'd make lots of stews ensuring there was plenty of extra gravy so it wasn't too thick and blended to enable him to suck up. Same with soups with pasta in, etc..

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/18/2014 1:37:09 PM

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I just think if he starts coughing when he has a problem swallowing and something gets stuck in his throat, with the wiring and stuff, I think the first few weeks it's just soups and very easy to swallow stuff, so unless I can make it very very liquid, rather wait with it. Instead of a fish pie, I could make him creamy fish as it goes into the pie, then just blend that down and add cream so it's basically more like a soup. Until he's off the major pain killers, somebody has to be with him anyway while he eats.

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/18/2014 1:40:00 PM

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Just remember to keep the food at a very thin and absolutely smooth consistency. When Oldest was 10 he broke his jaw, and this is what the doctors stressed the most. In fact, they would have prefered to feed him via a gastro-nasal feeding tube, but he had huge trouble tolerating that, so we had it removed.
He got fed high caloric, pre-prepared shakes which I suplemented with pureed soups rich in cream and butter that I brought him into the hospital daily.
While not as extreme as with your mate, he too has a very high metabolism, is naturally very thin and loses weight easily. In spite of our best efforts he lost 10kg during his 3 weeks in hospital. Considering that he was only weighting 55kg to his 1,70 to begin with, that was horrible.

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/18/2014 1:57:45 PM

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I'm actually surprised that they sent him home after just keeping him a weekend in the hospital, he shouldn't really be on his own, I could barely recognize him, let's say he's not very articulate right now... Seems he fell, the security rope caught him but he swung sideways and then smashed with the side of his face in the wall repeatedly, and not climbing but while he was working, checking a house for a roof conversion, one of the regular showers that seem to come out of nowhere in this area seems to have gotten him and made the ladder super slippery, when I heard that it happened this weekend, I just thought he went climbing.

My other half always complained about putting on weight far too easily, I just remind him of Steve and he's "OK, I see your point!" He actually says eating is not a lot of fun for him because he constantly needs to refuel or he ends up shaking from low blood sugar. Was your son always like this or did come on suddenly? With my friend, it happened in his 30's, always had this high metabolism but when he got out of the army it just skyrocketed.

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/18/2014 2:05:22 PM

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Poor guy, I didn't realise it had only just happened, he's going to be very sore so yes, lots of soups such as minestrone blended, and once he can control the pain a little better, you can turn meals into smoothie versions which won't be hard so that they're velvet smooth, LadyC. You can also cook up some oats until they're very smooth and add that to some of the soups/smoothies.

ETA, I've done a little reading up of people who have had their jaws wired and some are recommending using a syringe instead of a straw for the first week. .. and no meat unless its strained after puréeing as the meat won't break down to a smooth enough consistency. After a couple of weeks the wires begin to loosen so that thicker consistencies can be taken.

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/18/2014 2:12:12 PM

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Since we're in the process of getting rid of our lodger (who's actually more of a squatter since lodgers would pay rent or contribute something) and who flooded our house last Friday (left the bath running for an hour as he got distracted and his wash cloth got stuck in the overflow device while he got "distracted and forgot") we're considering to bring him over to our place with his dog, he can have one of the spare bedrooms and I can have a bit of an eye on him as long as he's on the heavy duty pain killers.

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/18/2014 2:14:37 PM

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My son was like this from birth on. He was born 56cm and weighting 3300g.
He was always very tall for his age and bean pole thin. Right now he is 14 years old, 186cm tall, and weights in at 67kg. He is however, rather muscular, with an already nicely defined sixpack, and well muscled arms and legs, and broad shoulders. Just all on a very thin frame, not bulky at all.
Each time he puts on just a tiny amount of weight, we know that another growthspurt is right around the corner.
As he is also very active and a basketball player, he often needs to supplement his already huge food intake with weightgaining shakes, just so he will not lose.

He broke his jaw when he was 10. Playing rugby during reccess. He decided it was more importand to keep the ball for his team, than to break his fall with something besides his jaw. As he hit puberty practically right afterwards, we call it his first instance of testosterone poisoning.

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/18/2014 2:21:42 PM

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I wouldn't mind a faster metabolism but not quite THAT fast, it's kind of weird, it can really go into both extremes, extremely slow or extremely fast...

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/18/2014 2:32:09 PM

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I'm actually surprised that they sent him home after just keeping him a weekend in the hospital, he shouldn't really be on his own, I could barely recognize him, let's say he's not very articulate right now... Seems he fell, the security rope caught him but he swung sideways and then smashed with the side of his face in the wall repeatedly, and not climbing but while he was working, checking a house for a roof conversion, one of the regular showers that seem to come out of nowhere in this area seems to have gotten him and made the ladder super slippery, when I heard that it happened this weekend, I just thought he went climbing.

D:

That's horrifying

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/18/2014 2:43:09 PM

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It is really bad, I've known him for years, I couldn't recognize him and we just stayed a few minutes as he had taken some pain killers and was zonked out, dropped of the little shakes that body builders usually use (thought just in case) his gf filled us in and she's alright with me dropping by during the day to check in on him and will bring up that moving in with us until he's off the serious pain killers (morphine), if he's dazed even a trip to the bathroom is a major problem. One of the things where you go "Why does that always happen to the nicest guys?" Apart from the jaw being broken in 3 places and the cheekbone broken, he also seems to have left most of his skin and some flesh on that wall, it being pebble dashed wasn't really a good thing...

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/18/2014 4:30:57 PM

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I have a friend who's a keen runner and weight-pumper. He's also epileptic and, a few Christmases ago, had a fit when running and smashed his jaw, as a result of which it was wired up for some weeks. He said that he basically ate what he'd usually eaten, only passed through the blender. He tried sugary and high cal foods but he said that this just made the misery worse. He came to the conclusion that sleeping much longer than usual, and generally doing a lot of dossing around, was more helpful.

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/18/2014 5:11:55 PM

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Peon, his metabolism is nuts, he needs lots of high calorie food or he's wasting away, he's already scary thin, with the injury really fresh the food also can't be too spicy...

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/18/2014 5:21:34 PM

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Custards.
Smoothies using whole fat Greek yogurt.

Cream soups are good; if you are worried about enough protein, you could probably use a mixture of tofu and heavy cream.

Fats and protein aren't going to be your problem.
Adequate carbs will be more challenging.

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/18/2014 5:32:46 PM

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I thought of mixing potatoes into the soups for the carbs

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/18/2014 6:12:12 PM

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I went to the gym and our resident beast of a Bodybuilder was there.

I asked him what he uses to bulk, he went on a 20 minute lecture about this stuff. http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/gold-feast.html It also looks a little better than some of the other high calorie powders I've seen, it's pretty well balanced.

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/18/2014 6:12:24 PM

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Peon, his metabolism is nuts, he needs lots of high calorie food or he's wasting away, he's already scary thin, with the injury really fresh the food also can't be too spicy...

OK. Then, this is serious. Maybe he needs a GP referral to a dietician or similar. My epileptic friend said that there was basically no way round it: he ended up hating ingesting food.

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/18/2014 6:19:35 PM

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He's getting stuff that we jokingly call "astronaut food" but right now and the state he's in, it's pretty hard to discuss things with anybody if your jaw is broken in 3 different places.

That's why we brought those drinks in chocolate and vanilla, forgot the name but Nestle makes them, they're pretty calorific, just for emergencies and stuff, but since this could really really take a while, I thought some other stuff might cheer him up. I think after his jaw grew together, he's possibly going to avoid any kind of liquid food for the rest of his life.

Lynnxz, checked the link: Controlled Labs Gold Feast is not available in the United Kingdom store. But I guess I can just ask in my gym for something similar. If everything fails we put a chocolate fountain in front of him (just kidding)

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/18/2014 7:26:06 PM

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Lynnxz, checked the link: Controlled Labs Gold Feast is not available in the United Kingdom store. But I guess I can just ask in my gym for something similar. If everything fails we put a chocolate fountain in front of him (just kidding)

Might work...

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