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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/18/2014 9:02:51 PM

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Egg drop soup

Congee (simple one is chicken broth and rice... you cook until the rice is completely disintegrated)

Grits and farina can be made with extra water so it can get through a straw

And you can make a home made milkshake and toss in tofu for protein. The tofu really has no flavor and just makes the milkshake creamier.

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/18/2014 9:02:52 PM

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Whole milk with instant breakfast powders will yield about 320 calories/8 ounce glass. Maybe mix 3 powders with 16 ounces of whole milk will yield close to 1000 calories.

Moducal powder is a carbohydrate supplement that can be added to milk. It will boost the calories by 240 per serving.

Ensure Plus (355cal/8ounce) and Sustacal HC (360cal/8ounce) are also high calorie/ounce liquids.

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/19/2014 2:43:11 AM

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That's why we brought those drinks in chocolate and vanilla, forgot the name but Nestle makes them, they're pretty calorific, just for emergencies and stuff, but since this could really really take a while, I thought some other stuff might cheer him up. I think after his jaw grew together, he's possibly going to avoid any kind of liquid food for the rest of his life.

Dunn's River Nurishment [sic] make things like that. Body builders often use them. They're pretty tasty.

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/19/2014 4:13:38 AM

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My son in his late teens worked out but was still skinny, he tried one of the bodybuilder drinks. Muscle Milk was the brand he preferred. They make a super caloric powder you mix with water or milk for more calories. If you added it to a milkshake, even more calories.

However, for his system to work, he is going to need fiber as well.

I don't know if that brand is available in the UK, but I would go ask some body builders for suggestions.

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/19/2014 4:22:10 AM

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I dropped by early this morning to take his dog out for a walk and got him ready for his trip to the hospital (wiring and stuff if the swelling is down enough), he has plenty of the powders as he supplements his food with it, the major problem will just be that anything he can eat will have to go though a straw. If you think weeks and possibly months, just that stuff, he's going to want to puke at just the sight of it. We communicated with one of those kiddie magnetic boards where you can whipe what you wrote.

He's in enough pain as it is, I thought giving him something else but this stuff that all tastes pretty much the same and fairly generic might just make his life a little bit easier. I was thinking in terms of "liquid comfort food".

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/19/2014 4:50:08 AM

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Lynnxz, checked the link: Controlled Labs Gold Feast is not available in the United Kingdom store. But I guess I can just ask in my gym for something similar. If everything fails we put a chocolate fountain in front of him (just kidding)

Might work...

lol....actually I could even see that happening to my cats....though would be a bit too risky for me, considering cats and chocolate dont fit well together...

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/19/2014 7:50:49 AM

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You can use arborio rice in rice puddings; it is very nice.

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/19/2014 7:58:55 AM

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Honestly, I've tasted a wide variety of regular food, puréed in a blender. (Gotta know what you are feeding your people... Have also had thickened liquids, it's horrible).

It's not *terrible*. Greens are disgusting when blended. Potatoes, white and sweet, are just thinner than you're used to. Broccoli, actually isn't bad, especially if you throw some cheese and salt in while blending. Brussel sprouts are really bitter.

Mac and cheese is really good.

All fruits blend well, citrus turns to pulpy juice.

Meats are not bad, unless it's pork loin/chop or fried chicken, it gets frothy and weird. Beef does well, add some gravy or cream.

Apple pie blends well, and our facility sometimes blends sugar cookies and some apple sauce to make a 'slurry' which is odd, but edible.

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/19/2014 8:22:52 AM

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I think more than half the problem your friend is going to have is not the slurry he needs to feed in the top end but the mess that is going to happen at the other end.

I would seriously consult a GP and a specialist dietician otherwise he is going to have digestive problems like a lot of people have when they need to go on any liquid diet for any length of time.
You're going to have to make sure he gets enough roughage and absorbing food so that his stomach can produce at least semi-solid stools otherwise it's going to be very messy.

It's nice that everyone on here is trying to help in their own way, but it's a serious problem if he needs to be on a liquid diet for more than a few days. It takes more than just liquidizing normal foods because the adult stomach enzymes are designed to break down food lumps and solids, not just sludge and slurry.

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/19/2014 8:58:03 AM

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With the efficiency of the NHS, this could take months until he sees a nutrition, hopefully by then he will be on solid food again. They freaking sent him home from the hospital with a morphine drip as they needed to free the bed.

At the moment just making sure he has enough calories will do, the problem is that he is an adult so nobody else can talk to the doctor for him, they will just go "patient confidentiality" and he's not going to do much talking for a while...

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/19/2014 9:02:55 AM

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We have patient confidentiality here in the US as well, but my brother signs a release that allows his doctors to talk to my mom.

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/19/2014 9:03:24 AM

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With the efficiency of the NHS, this could take months until he sees a nutrition, hopefully by then he will be on solid food again. They freaking sent him home from the hospital with a morphine drip as they needed to free the bed.

At the moment just making sure he has enough calories will do, the problem is that he is an adult so nobody else can talk to the doctor for him, they will just go "patient confidentiality" and he's not going to do much talking for a while...

I dunno how it works over there, but here, he could designate someone as the medical power of attorney. There are some other options too, and I don't know how it works in those facilities, but here, we can just add someone to the list of contacts after a release form is signed, and those people are allowed to discuss medical care. That process does not require a lawyer, I am sure that the first does.

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/19/2014 9:04:13 AM

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Untrue: any fiber that is in a food will still be in food.

Having worked in a place where several people had Dysphagia who couldn't be on solid food, none of them had issues "on the other end".

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/19/2014 9:13:42 AM

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With the efficiency of the NHS, this could take months until he sees a nutrition, hopefully by then he will be on solid food again. They freaking sent him home from the hospital with a morphine drip as they needed to free the bed.

At the moment just making sure he has enough calories will do, the problem is that he is an adult so nobody else can talk to the doctor for him, they will just go "patient confidentiality" and he's not going to do much talking for a while...

I dunno how it works over there, but here, he could designate someone as the medical power of attorney. There are some other options too, and I don't know how it works in those facilities, but here, we can just add someone to the list of contacts after a release form is signed, and those people are allowed to discuss medical care. That process does not require a lawyer, I am sure that the first does.

That's actually good to know, because when I was in the US, I needed some medical files and always had H as my 1st contact, they refused to give him the files, they said they would hand them to me but only directly (bit difficult as my arms don't reach from the West Coast to the UK), next time I should actually nail them down as to how he could get them (they also wouldn't send them to the doc in LA as he wasn't a UK doc...).

But his girlfriend is a nurse, though she works mainly with mental patients, I would think that somebody inside the system would possibly know more about it and could get him to sign what needs to be signed so she can at least use a bit of pressure.

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/19/2014 9:28:10 AM

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With the efficiency of the NHS, this could take months until he sees a nutrition, hopefully by then he will be on solid food again. They freaking sent him home from the hospital with a morphine drip as they needed to free the bed.

At the moment just making sure he has enough calories will do, the problem is that he is an adult so nobody else can talk to the doctor for him, they will just go "patient confidentiality" and he's not going to do much talking for a while...

Along with what Lynnx said.... go with him to his GP.
He can write a request for someone to act on his behalf for medical decisions and sign it.
That's all he needs to do in the UK. No need for solicitors.

The NHS isn't that slow down here where I am.

Here's how I know (and yer gonna really laff at this!!) -
When I was living with a chef friend, I had a serious incident with a tube of superglue.
Long story short, I ended up having pretty much the whole tube glueing up most of my teeth and lips.
Suffice to say, the only available bit was a small gap in the corner of my lips barely big enough to poke a straw through or smoke a cig. I couldn't open my jaws at all and I had the disgusting taste of stupid-glue no matter what I did.

I didn't think of the stuff to dissolve superglue and didn't want the embarrassment of a visit to A&E.
My chef friend just went to his own GP, explained the situation (ie, no way to eat anything solid), and asked to see a specialist dietician/nutritionist so he could prepare some half-decent food that wouldn't go through me like a dose of salts until the problem cleared itself up and I could eat again properly.
It took his GP just an hour to come up with several phone numbers of specialists he could talk to and get professional info/help from.

Needless to say, I was the butt-end of many jokes for over a week before I could slowly start opening my jaws again.

And that's how I found out the vast variety of flavours available in baby food.
Some I didn't like, but most were very surprisingly pleasant.
And because they are designed for babies, none are overly spicy and most also had added vitamins.

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RE: Super calorific food? - 3/19/2014 10:29:56 AM

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With the efficiency of the NHS, this could take months until he sees a nutrition

Fair point. By the time he gets an appointment we'll probably all be cyborgs, digestive systems will be redundant. and we'll all be living off electrical charges provided by the Mother Ship anyway.

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