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DaddySatyr -> RE: Bergdahl (6/12/2014 12:26:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Maybe someone who is up on their dead languages will help me out here. Pro Bono means "for the good." What's the correct Latin for, "for the publicity?" Glad to be of help, Rich: Pro publicitas (Properly pronounced: poo-blee-cee-tas) Screen captures *still* RULE! Ya feel me?

truckinslave -> RE: Bergdahl (6/12/2014 12:58:47 AM)
quote: He'll have a top flight civilian attorney who will have no compunctions You're right. And that compunction-less civilian will face a JAG, and a panel, that will not allow irrelevant information into the trial.

ThirdWheelWanted -> RE: Bergdahl (6/12/2014 2:00:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave quote: He'll have a top flight civilian attorney who will have no compunctions You're right. And that compunction-less civilian will face a JAG, and a panel, that will not allow irrelevant information into the trial. You REALLY might want to read that Washington Post article before arguing this one any more.

DomKen -> RE: Bergdahl (6/12/2014 5:45:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted How does someone get discharged from the Coast Guard as unfit for military service, and then wind up in a combat arms unit? With a waiver, of course. At the rate those are being issued, I'd be willing to bet it was just rubber stamped. Some large percentage of all recruits right now have a waiver of some sort. That was pointed out in the Rolling Stone article.

DomKen -> RE: Bergdahl (6/12/2014 5:52:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave quote: He'll have a top flight civilian attorney who will have no compunctions You're right. And that compunction-less civilian will face a JAG, and a panel, that will not allow irrelevant information into the trial. And then any conviction gets tossed on appeal. You do know that court martial convictions can be appealed to the civilian court system, right.

thompsonx -> RE: Bergdahl (6/12/2014 7:06:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave quote: He'll have a top flight civilian attorney who will have no compunctions You're right. And that compunction-less civilian will face a JAG, and a panel, that will not allow irrelevant information into the trial. Had you actually been in the u.s. military you would know that when one retains a good civilian attourney the chances of winning your case increase exponentially. Why? Because military attourneys are amatures fresh out of law school.

BamaD -> RE: Bergdahl (6/12/2014 8:08:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted How does someone get discharged from the Coast Guard as unfit for military service, and then wind up in a combat arms unit? With a waiver, of course. At the rate those are being issued, I'd be willing to bet it was just rubber stamped. It is much like when I joined in 73. The recruiters were rushing to see who could get me a waiver even though I had 3rd degree flat feet. (navy and AF army and marines couldn't get me one.) He no doubt got someone to sign off on the problems in the coast guard being "fixed".

ThirdWheelWanted -> RE: Bergdahl (6/12/2014 8:49:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave quote: He'll have a top flight civilian attorney who will have no compunctions You're right. And that compunction-less civilian will face a JAG, and a panel, that will not allow irrelevant information into the trial. And then any conviction gets tossed on appeal. You do know that court martial convictions can be appealed to the civilian court system, right. Can they? That's something I never knew. I always thought the two systems were completely separate, considering how different the rules are.

mnottertail -> RE: Bergdahl (6/12/2014 9:07:34 AM)
No, the UCMJ is actually part of our US Code. Military has (because they are part of our constitution) and they have the right to go to the supreme court and other appellate courts as well.

DomKen -> RE: Bergdahl (6/12/2014 12:53:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave quote: He'll have a top flight civilian attorney who will have no compunctions You're right. And that compunction-less civilian will face a JAG, and a panel, that will not allow irrelevant information into the trial. And then any conviction gets tossed on appeal. You do know that court martial convictions can be appealed to the civilian court system, right. Can they? That's something I never knew. I always thought the two systems were completely separate, considering how different the rules are. Yes. There is a level of military appeal, I forget what it is called and then you go into the federal appellate system just like anyone else.

mnottertail -> RE: Bergdahl (6/12/2014 2:03:31 PM)
http://www.armfor.uscourts.gov/newcaaf/home.htm It has a rather innocuous name. And is subject to and reviewed by the SCOTUS

truckinslave -> RE: Bergdahl (6/12/2014 3:37:51 PM)
The relevant part of the WP article, to me, deals with his (lack of) state of mind. There is, it seems to me, potential grist there for the attorneys to mill. That's as opposed to the RS article, the relevance of which I do not see.

truckinslave -> RE: Bergdahl (6/12/2014 3:44:27 PM)
quote: Yes. There is a level of military appeal, I forget what it is called and then you go into the federal appellate system just like anyone else. Granted I was MPI, not CID.... but I've testified at more than a couple court-martials, drunk a bunch of booze with various JAGs, and the only thing I ever heard of was the Army Court of Criminal Appeals, which is not civilian. Care to cite something?

DomKen -> RE: Bergdahl (6/12/2014 3:59:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave quote: Yes. There is a level of military appeal, I forget what it is called and then you go into the federal appellate system just like anyone else. Granted I was MPI, not CID.... but I've testified at more than a couple court-martials, drunk a bunch of booze with various JAGs, and the only thing I ever heard of was the Army Court of Criminal Appeals, which is not civilian. Care to cite something? http://www.armfor.uscourts.gov/newcaaf/about.htm

truckinslave -> RE: Bergdahl (6/12/2014 4:34:10 PM)
Thank you. There is in fact a five-judge civilian court of appeal. Which adjudicates from the UCMJ..... and from standard evidentiary rules for military court-martials, etc.

thompsonx -> RE: Bergdahl (6/12/2014 7:58:17 PM)
ORIGINAL: truckinslave Granted I was MPI, not CID.... but I've testified at more than a couple court-martials, drunk a bunch of booze with various JAGs, and the only thing I ever heard of was the Army Court of Criminal Appeals, which is not civilian. Having been in the military might have been helpful to you.

MaggiesFarm -> RE: Bergdahl (6/13/2014 12:32:34 AM)
quote: decades of strategy requiring that we not negotiate with terrorists Giggle And which decades were those?

blacksword404 -> RE: Bergdahl (6/13/2014 2:26:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MaggiesFarm quote: decades of strategy requiring that we not negotiate with terrorists Giggle And which decades were those? Up to your old tricks again huh [Removed former members name]? Don't claim mental illness this time.

angelikaJ -> RE: Bergdahl (6/14/2014 3:04:30 PM)
FR 2 reports that seem to clarify that Bergdahl was not the willing enemy collaborator some paint him as: "Although there had been reports that Sergeant Bergdahl had been held in solitary confinement in a small, dark box as punishment for trying to escape, new details emerged yesterday. According to senior military sources familiar with Bergdahl's reintegration, the sergeant was held in a box for more than 24 months without any direct contact with another human being. He spoke to his captors through a metal wall, and his head was covered with a black hood whenever he was removed. His poor condition confirms his story according to the anonymous military sources who briefed Fox News. That means his rehabilitation could take a long time." http://www.npr.org/2014/06/14/321953002/after-isolation-bergdahl-lilkely-faces-a-long-recovery http://www.onthemedia.org/story/prisoner-dilemma/ All which serves as a good reminder that if anything can be used by either side to further a political agenda, it will be.

truckinslave -> RE: Bergdahl (6/14/2014 3:38:58 PM)
If those reports are true I have a great deal of sympathy for him. Regardless of how the enemy treated him though, the question that must be answered is: Why/how did he leave his post? If he deserted, and was sufficiently sane to be held accountable for his actions when he did so I just cant give a fuck about his rehabilitation; and neither should anyone else.

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