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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 2:59:16 PM

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Let me state first that my husband is a rare one... I swear he is a lesbian in a mans body.

I know exactly how you feel Lashra and have felt that way on many occasion... with one exception though....

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Do you ever feel that all the men should be gathered up and put into cages and only let out for breeding purposes and drone work?

I can agree with the "drone" work... but so long as we have sperm banks the breeding part is pretty unnecessary... isn't it?

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 3:03:49 PM

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But the people I get most angry with are the mothers and fathers who raise sons like this and with women who "stand by their men" when they behave in this fashion. If women didn't teach and didn't support these negative behaviors (as you have recounted) then men and boys would not behave this way.

TammyJo you hit the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned.   My father was a man who taught me that men need to be honorable themselves, and have respect for themselves, women, and humanity... So that subjugating anyone, but especially a woman, to abusive behavior is not even something to be pondered when speaking of a man (not loosely defined as one with a penis).

My mother on the other hand was of the school of thought that women are to grow up and marry a man in order to be honorable, obey/stand by her man, and do everything to avoid parting with said man.   I believe my mother only held these beliefs because she never had to marry and remained married to a real asshole.
My father unfortunately passed away too soon, so some of my brothers didn't get the full benefit of this learning, and for that reason, I've seen some contradictory behaviors in my male siblings.   I've seen some of it in myself in having married (and divorced) a man who was a lot like my mother.

I firmly believe that women contribute a great deal to how boys turn out and how men behave.

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Let me state first that my husband is a rare one... I swear he is a lesbian in a mans body.

I know it, and love scooter... Any idea where I can get me one of these lesbians in a man's body?

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 3:09:57 PM

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Do we need men? An earth shattering...."Hell Yes!!!!......sneaks back out...

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 3:16:04 PM

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yes, i need One!!!

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 3:22:38 PM

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This thread really is unbelievable. Do you people even think before you type? I think the real question is, once we have enough eggs in freezers, do we really need women? Women only enjoy the lifestyle and options they have in this day and age because of men. If women ran the world we'd still be searching for the wheel.

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 3:24:17 PM

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you know, i think a lot of the crap women suffer is brought on by ourselves. we don't stand together, we are contrary, ornery, we are predatory by nature, most have no morality i've learned and i just plain don't care for them. women can't be honest with men mostly and so men are totally baffled how to treat us or what to do. i'm not saying it's all our fault as they are obnoxious and mostly stinky but we do bring a lot of the misery we incur on ourselves. again, it's one's own perspective and this is mine. deny it if you will, that's your perogative!

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 3:36:34 PM

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Seeing as I prefere women and don't plan to procreate, I'm certainly one who doesn't need them. But really, I do think that ALL people have the capacity to be complete idiots. I would like to see more women in political office, just to give some balance to the political spectrum, just as I'd love to see more non-caucasians.

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 3:37:28 PM

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Do we need men? An earth shattering...."Hell Yes!!!!......sneaks back out...

Reminds me of the song "redneck woman" Hell yeah !! LOL

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 3:38:28 PM

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Lets face it...the only honest people out there are kids under the age of 5. If they do not like you they tell you. Beyond that men are more honest, we know if somebody doesn't like us. Women will say they like you to your face and then stab you in the back.

As for the invention of the wheel...women civilized us men, after all why would any one man want to stay with any one woman. Because the woman made the rules originally, they still do in my opinion, to a point.

The reason for invention was one of two reasons and both had to do with women. Either to make them happy so they'd stop nagging or to allow a faster getaway from their nagging.

Which led to the creation of the Dom...if you cannot make them happy and you cannot getaway...best to gag them, tie them up, and then have some fun. Have some fun because you might as well because when you untie them and ungag them you will definately hear about it.

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 3:41:25 PM

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Do we need men? I need a man about as much as I need a woman. Whom I choose to be with doesnt really depend on the plumbing god gave them when they were born. There are those out there of both genders who I would hapily see "removed", but condemning an entire gender becasue of a few would be overkill.

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 3:41:52 PM

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Aellea nice post ... women need to stop seeing other women as competition (and yes am sure this statement will have a few people saying that they don't) but from a sociological point of view it is very common.

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 3:42:31 PM

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Do we need men? An earth shattering...."Hell Yes!!!!......sneaks back out...

Reminds me of the song "redneck woman" Hell yeah !! LOL

I love that song.

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 3:43:52 PM

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Let me start by saying I am having a bad day, so this is not a happy thread. I do not feel well, my arthritic back is acting up very badly, my gallbladder hurts and yes, it needs to be removed. I am also PMSing and yes, I own a gun and no this has nothing to do with BDSM, it is just a frustrated Mistress letting off a bit of steam.

I made the mistake of listening to the news and it put me in an even worse state of mind then I was already in. The news story was about the rape of an Iraqi girl by American soldiers. Now I am not looking for political debate, an ethical debate or a religious one, or anything of that nature. I am not looking to flame or be flamed. I just want to bitch. I love men, so please do not think I am a man hater, for I am nothing of the kind. I have a male sub that I love with all my being.

It is just; when you as a woman look at the world today can you truly say that men have done a wonderful job in their so-called leadership roles? Am I the only one who some days wants to beat the living shit out of nearly every alpha male she see's and not in a fun way?

Do you ever get sick and tired of hearing how women are supposed to be submissive to men and to let them rule things, when most of them cannot even rule a pet hamster?
Do you ever want to scream stop raping and killing us (and our children) because you believe that it is your God given right to do so, or just because your physically stronger/bigger (not always) that you can get away with it?
Do you ever want to physically bash some guy who has beaten and or abused his wife/girlfriend in some fashion, then justifies it by saying that the bible (or whatever religion/philosophy) says its ok?
Do you ever feel the urge to choke the life out of a proven child molester when you see them on the news?
Do you seethe when you hear that women do not need equal rights or control of their own bodies IE abortion?
Do you ever get angry with other women who seemingly blindly follow anything the patriarchal system instructs her too?

Do you ever feel that all the men should be gathered up and put into cages and only let out for breeding purposes and drone work?

~Lashra

I think that many responders should have read the first line about Lashra having a bad day....

There are bad men and good men. Just as there are bad women and good women. Men express their "evil" ways differently than women. That's due to socialization and genetics. Who knows how the world would have turned out had we been more of a matriachial society. Perhaps we would have a near utopia, or perhaps we would still be living in log houses and plowing the land with oxen and cattle? Who's to say how society would have turned out?

We need good women, just as much as we need good men.

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 3:47:37 PM

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Lashra,

I have felt pretty much all of the things you have listed for the reasons listed. If I allow myself to further reflect, which I usually do if for no other reason than my upset deserves attention, I usually take the next step to "not all men are like that" and from there it's just a hop, skip and a jump to "who raised these men?"

I usually end up pissed off at women for assisting in the process. We have the potential to wield significant power collectively and yet we rarely use it. As a gross generalization, we have the power to influence the next generation more than men and yet we continue to create more of the same.

So really, it's not a 'man' thing, it's a 'human' thing. Change starts at home.

I realize that you're just venting (and I can totally get behind that), but you asked so I thought I'd share my process when feeling like you sound. These are usually my next natural steps when I find myself feeling like you seem to.

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 3:58:35 PM

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Do we need men? An earth shattering...."Hell Yes!!!!......sneaks back out...

I know it well as my wife sings it all the time with a band that she performs with as well as at kareoke.
On another note I can understand your frustrations with some men who act impulsively and stupidly at times. I do the same thing on occasion, but I am not perfect. I also am upset about the Iraq situation and agree that they should go to trial. My only rebuttal would be is to not judge the whole gender on these type of men. I love my wife she is everything to me,I support her while she is changing careers, she is going from being a professional musician who has toured with several top name entertainers to becoming a psychologist. We are a team, working together for over 20 years. While we do get angry with each other the whole key to our relationship lasting is to be upfront and hoenst with each other. Give some of us men a little credit, we are not all horse's arses.

Reminds me of the song "redneck woman" Hell yeah !! LOL

I love that song.

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 4:07:36 PM

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Aellea nice post ... women need to stop seeing other women as competition (and yes am sure this statement will have a few people saying that they don't) but from a sociological point of view it is very common.

I agree 100%. It took alot of painful self examination before I could get out of that whole mindset. Reminds me of the phrase I read once. "Women do not dress up for men, they do it for other women." It had nothing to do with wanting to please the other women but to outdo them. Fortunately, at least with the women I am close to, maturity removes most of that competition and unites us in a way most men just cannot fathom.
To add to the idea that as the overall primary parent raising kids, (not all as I know some great men that do alot of the parenting) women need to begin raising their daughters to be more self aware and centered women. Quit pushing them into cheerleading, beauty pagents etc etc etc ....but into more leadership and team oriented activities. Activities that strengthen them in positive ways.

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 4:13:56 PM

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 4:26:17 PM

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It is simple. We (men) can pee standing up without making a mess. You (women) can't. I've seen you try (ever see an American woman faced with a filthy Asian toilet? They almost FLY out of that squat. But if they stand up...it isn't pretty and it involves a change of shoes.)

If you (women) learn to do it (pee standing up), then we (men) are in serious trouble.

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 4:29:33 PM

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It is simple. We (men) can pee standing up without making a mess. You (women) can't. I've seen you try (ever see an American woman faced with a filthy Asian toilet? They almost FLY out of that squat. But if they stand up...it isn't pretty and it involves a change of shoes.)

If you (women) learn to do it (pee standing up), then we (men) are in serious trouble.

The trick is to aim with your fingers and remember to push at the end of the stream. Wipe as usual.

It's doable, very doable, and only takes a little practice.

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 4:30:26 PM

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LaTigresse ... everything you have said so resonnates with me, and I too had to do a lot of soul searching to realise how much mysogyiny I had in myself when I was want to see other women as the competition. In the process I dropped a lot of longstanding friendships and surround myself now with women who are of the same mind. Not into competition, we're not threatened by each other, our relationships are more real (if I can say that), we know each other warts and all and are happy with that.

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