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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 4:39:13 PM   
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fast reply.

Taking this to it's logical conclusion.....let's just reengineer humans to be androgynous, sexless entities-do away with sex alltogether.

Everyone would be equal, and everyone would be the same.

Breeding would be done in tanks-and every child would be a wanted child-with a secure future ahead of it. Better yet, we would not have deluded individuals, braying about sexual supremacy-since there would be no sex.

What a lovely thought to take with my dreams to me.

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 4:43:16 PM   
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Oh hell no.  I dont care how much some men annoy me, I am NOT giving up sex!

oh, did I say that out loud?  hmm.

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 4:52:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956

It is simple.  We (men) can pee standing up without making a mess. 

It's a pity that more men don't choose to actually use this awesome power. 

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 5:02:04 PM   
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quote:

If you (women) learn to do it (pee standing up), then we (men) are in serious trouble.

E


lol... like men don't dribble!  But if I happen to mess my shoes...I'll be sure to have good boy around to clean up. 


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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 6:22:39 PM   
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I find it funny that constantly women are looking at men in a dark light.


Im a man. I work hard, I provide for my household without question, I make sure my family is taken care of, and I have never even been in a fight.

I've never hit a woman, I've never raped anyone. Sure I've yelled, but so has she. Does that make me useless?

I contribute to society by helping in devolpment of our industries.

Should I be locked away and denied my right to live my life?

I resent the fact that all the rape, the abuse, the history of voilence and oppresion falls on my shoulders. Thats bullshit. Actually straight up ignorant.

Do I condone rape? no.
Do I condone abuse, even if she's being "insubordinant" as the argument usually goes? no.

Do I think people should work together regardless of sex? yes.

This whole, female superiority crap has to end. A person can be superior, not a gender. Look past your own nose for a change. Or stop watching TV, whichever will help you step out of your home and take another look at society.
Or mabey living in Canada has spoiled me.


Mabey I came off harsh in this post, but it erks me because I personally have a problem with older males. I always have even as a child. I couldnt even form a bond with my own drunk of a father.

But its because of these men, and their faults that have given me a role model of what not to be like. I have choices in my life to make myself, and I chose to be the better person.
I choose not to stop my girlfriend from going out because i'm a jealous asshole.
I choose to carry the grocieries up for her because I know they're heavy and thats my job.
I choose to open the pickle jars because I'm stronger.

We work together, with her rational mind she takes care of the finances, I take care of the work. Though she has a job, I work full time as a tradesman while we pay for her to go to school to better herself.

I dont drink in excess and make her unhappy like my father did to my mother.
I dont yell at her, throw shit around and punch holes in the wall so that she cries herself to sleep, like my father did to my mother ( he never hit her).
I am just as useful as any one of you, and I have just as much to contribute to society.


I'm not even going to go into the whole women are manipulative, and back-stabbing crap argument. I just wanted to say my peace, and mention one more thing.

I'd like to thank my mother who raised me as a single mother most of my life, and did her best with the little she had.


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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 6:28:14 PM   
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I think that most women show impeccable judgement looking upon me in dark light......I think at the most, 1 lumen per meter squared is a soft ambiance that to the right woman with a fertile imagination could in her mind's eye turn me into a hunka hunka burnin' love.......

In the garish light of day, it would be trivial to discover that I ain't no Elvis Presley.

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 7:58:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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ORIGINAL: Jasmyn

Aellea nice post ... women need to stop seeing other women as competition (and yes am sure this statement will have a few people saying that they don't) but from a sociological point of view it is very common. 


I agree 100%. It took alot of painful self examination before I could get out of that whole mindset. Reminds me of the phrase I read once. "Women do not dress up for men, they do it for other women." It had nothing to do with wanting to please the other women but to outdo them. Fortunately, at least with the women I am close to, maturity removes most of that competition and unites us in a way most men just cannot fathom.


Well yes, of COURSE women dress up to impress other women, men could care less! I could spend hours buying the perfect wonderful outfit, just the right color to match my skin tone and cut to accentuate my figure, get my nails and hair done etc... but if I looked really, REALLY great, the best I could hope for is that it would make him imagine me naked. *sigh*

When I look good to impress the women, oh well then....it's a conversation starter. (especially shoes)  *double sigh*

I'm a bit discouraged about men these days myself. I would have to say "we" don't need them. Of course it is handy to have one around when I need a jar opened or a tire changed. The trouble is they can't just do it gracefully. They have to snigger and swagger when you ask for help, acting like they're SOOO special because they can open a jar with one little "snick". Teasing and poking fun because you can't do it.

Well la-de-fricken-DA!

Yup- I hate em'

Ok, now if I go gay I can be gorgeous AND avoid ridicule. If I buy one of those electric jar openers I just might be able to do this.


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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 9:07:21 PM   
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Yes We do need them !!!!!!  who else will take out the trash.....LOL

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 9:16:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: aellea

women can't be honest with men mostly and so men are totally baffled how to treat us or what to do. 


That comment hit a note with me......especially with vanilla or "normal" women?  That's one of  the reasons I'm here....if nothing else...at least I can express some feelings/kinks/needs etc without too much judgement or bs. I've noticed in past relationships with "normal" women that if I acted manly....I was a macho prick......show my sensitive side and I'm a pussy...??? Go figure?
Lol......

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YES WE NEED MEN! - 7/10/2006 9:34:41 PM   
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I figured since the boys aren't paying attention to the original post, and just reacting hurt to the question of whether we need them, I'd change it.
Yes, I need men, but I don't use the term loosely to describe all those born with a penis.   M

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 9:38:08 PM   
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A long omnibus post in which I try to give certain people what they deserve (just call Me Mr. Karma).

1.  We start with brissub, who graces us with his first post ever:
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  This thread really is unbelievable.  Do you people even think before you type?  I think the real question is, once we have enough eggs in freezers, do we really need women?  Women only enjoy the lifestyle and options they have in this day and age because of men.  If women ran the world we'd still be searching for the wheel. 


Simply NOT TRUE.  If women ran the world, we'd have the wheel.  It would be immaculate, well styled, and run smoothly without needing to be fixed in any way that would break a nail. And we'd know where to ride it, because they ask for directions!

It would however roll backwards with a loud, angry noise leaving us poor men stranded and totally confused 3-5 days every month.

2. 
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MisSuz:  The trick is to aim with your fingers and remember to push at the end of the stream. Wipe as usual.

It's doable, very doable, and only takes a little practice.


Ah but we (men) don't NEED no stinkin' instructions, miss.  It just comes about naturally.

From my days in the courtroom:

Q:  Did the urine taken from the Defendant show signs of cocaine use?

A:  Yes it did.

Q:  And are you qualified to give a urine sample, Doctor?

A:  Yes I am, and have been since early childhood.

3. 
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caretakr gave me the creeps with:  Taking this to it's logical conclusion.....let's just reengineer humans to be androgynous, sexless entities-do away with sex alltogether.

Everyone would be equal, and everyone would be the same.



And we'd all look like barbie and ken...god I'm gonna have smooth pink plastic nightmares AGAIN tonight!

4. 
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Stef:  It's a pity that more men don't choose to actually use this awesome power. 

~stef

  MY GOD, I THINK I'VE BEEN KINKED OUT!  I LOVE IT.

5.  And now we get serious with KarbonCopy.  all I can say is
quote:

Or mabey living in Canada has spoiled me.
   Or maybe vice-versa.

6.  Per TNstepsout: 
quote:

Well yes, of COURSE women dress up to impress other women, men could care less! I could spend hours buying the perfect wonderful outfit, just the right color to match my skin tone and cut to accentuate my figure, get my nails and hair done etc... but if I looked really, REALLY great, the best I could hope for is that it would make him imagine me naked. *sigh*
  This is SO wrong, miss!   You don't understand that men adore looking at you all dressed up so nicely, we admire how you coordinate colors, we absolutely are in awe of how your dress flatters your figure, and how your shoes make the outfit.  we respect the hours of effort you put into assembing the perfect outfit.

And when you all go off to the bathroom together, 3 of us watch you go, fondly, and then as SOON as you are out of earshot we high-five eachother and say "NICE ASS"  "I'm getting ME SOME OF THAT" and...because there is ALWAYS one former Marine in the crowd "OO-RAH".  And then Steve (there is always a Steve) takes notes so he can recreate the outfit at home in size 22.  With size 12 (mens) shoes.

and
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The trouble is they can't just do it gracefully. They have to snigger and swagger when you ask for help, acting like they're SOOO special because they can open a jar with one little "snick". Teasing and poking fun because you can't do it.
I really resent this.  First, I do do it gracefully, with a slight quarter turn to the left, setting myself in position, and making sure the effort comes NOT from the fingers, but the wrists. 

Second, well DAMN girl, if we snigger and swagger its because we are jealous.  We get to open jars; you get to ovulate.  And you act like you are SOOO special, then.
quote:

Teasing and poking fun because you can't do it.


Indeed.

E.  (who's gonna have to sleep on the couch, again, tonight)



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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/10/2006 10:49:09 PM   
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You know, it's striking.  I don't think I've seen a single thread asking whether we need WOMEN.

Edited to add: Oh, I see that someone else already raised this point.  So it goes.

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/11/2006 2:28:35 AM   
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It seems all society are screwed up ( except for maybe the Swiss) some more than others.   I am a male but:I don't think men should rule woman.Rape and murder are definite no nos   I was taught by my father you never hit a woman.I am definitely pro choice.It drives me crazy to see a woman act like a scared rabbit. 






Three girls all worked in the same office with the same female boss.
Each day, they noticed the boss left work early.

One day, the girls decided that, when the boss left, they would leave right behind her.
After all, she never called or came back to work, so how would she know
they went home early?


The brunette was thrilled to be home early. She did a >little gardening, spent
playtime with her son, and went to bed early.

The redhead was elated to be able to get in a quick workout at the spa
before meeting a dinner date.

The blonde was happy to get home early and surprise her husband, but when
she got to her bedroom, she heard a muffled noise from inside.
Slowly and quietly, she cracked open the door and was mortified to see her
husband in bed with her boss! Gently she closed the door and crept out of
her house.

The next day, at their coffee break, the brunette and redhead planned to
leave early again, and they asked the blonde if she was going to go with them.


"No way," the blonde exclaimed. "I almost got caught yesterday."
"Doesn't mean it can't be a blond guy.  "
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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/11/2006 2:41:06 AM   
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I have morality lots of it, and i am honest. I can be and I am with men or with women, or with sub species. Being a woman doesn't change my morality or honestey levels.

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ORIGINAL: aellea

you know, i think a lot of the crap women suffer is brought on by ourselves.  we don't stand together, we are contrary, ornery, we are predatory by nature, most have no morality i've learned and i just plain don't care for them.  women can't be honest with men mostly and so men are totally baffled how to treat us or what to do.  i'm not saying it's all our fault as they are obnoxious and mostly stinky but we do bring a lot of the misery we incur on ourselves.  again, it's one's own perspective and this is mine.  deny it if you will, that's your perogative!

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/11/2006 2:45:58 AM   
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Women can be trained to piss standing up with out making a mess. I have myself hovered over a many objectional toilet and have not pissed my shoes.

I had a friend who's toilet was caked with dead flies bugs and other nasties because she was a neglected elderly, now normalling peeing in  her bathroom was out but this was a direct and imediat emergency and I hoverd and did not touch one part of that seat nore did my shoes need changing.
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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956

It is simple.  We (men) can pee standing up without making a mess.  You (women) can't.  I've seen you try (ever see an American woman faced with a filthy Asian toilet?  They almost FLY out of that squat.  But if they stand up...it isn't pretty and it involves a change of shoes.)  

If you (women) learn to do it (pee standing up), then we (men) are in serious trouble.

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/11/2006 2:49:17 AM   
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I understand today i was watching the news and yet again this football star the college ones are seem to be given the world to think they 10 of the rape a  little one these are big men i am hurt for the little on i was abuse by many black man i am a black woman, nothing was were done to my brother, nothing was said to anyone back then it was not spoke of and we were at fautl you and this was said not to me but ohj you must had did something to make him do this i cry many night i love man so much but white males i do not trust black man i can not i just can not/
now these family of these football players will have a fit "oh no not my son" she must had did something and come to find out this are black me they hurt her they say she is in emoitoal shock i know not everyone is like this but that side of me that is still little cry for someone to do something to men like that it hurt, lol i am crying now i am a domme not becase of what happen to me but becase of i was meant to be one i had feeling from long ago. i was raped 2 times and what more i saw my mother raped by a crazed man who broke our door down and right infront of us7  7 8 9 12 (twins) he was nuts i just remember it 5 years ago he did not treat we were standing there in borad daylight oh some men are monster not all but some i am not a man hater but the pain of the look on my mother face i can never in my life forget. i do not say this for pity i say this it is the truth lashra i am in therpay to get rid of this black man who has made it hard to trust
 
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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/11/2006 3:21:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lashra

Let me start by saying I am having a bad day, so this is not a happy thread. I do not feel well, my arthritic back is acting up very badly, my gallbladder hurts and yes, it needs to be removed. I am also PMSing and yes, I own a gun   and no this has nothing to do with BDSM, it is just a frustrated Mistress letting off a bit of steam.

I made the mistake of listening to the news and it put me in an even worse state of mind then I was already in. The news story was about the rape of an Iraqi girl by American soldiers. Now I am not looking for political debate, an ethical debate or a religious one, or anything of that nature. I am not looking to flame or be flamed. I just want to bitch. I love men, so please do not think I am a man hater, for I am nothing of the kind. I have a male sub that I love with all my being.

It is just; when you as a woman look at the world today can you truly say that men have done a wonderful job in their so-called leadership roles? Am I the only one who some days wants to beat the living shit out of  nearly every alpha male she see's and not in a fun way?

You say you don't want a political thread, then you get political. Not every male leader is George Bush, and not everyone thinks he's a monster. What about the men in leadership posistions that work for peace?

Do you ever get sick and tired of hearing how women are supposed to be submissive to men and to let them rule things, when most of them cannot even rule a pet hamster?

Just about the only ones I hear this from are muslim; the christian version have softened their beliefs, or so it seems, with time.

Do you ever want to scream stop raping and killing us (and our children) because you believe that it is your God given right to do so, or just because your physically stronger/bigger (not always) that you can get away with it?

Yes I do. Like I want to yell at the women who do this shit, like Andrea Yates, and Mary Kay Letourneu (sp?) Seems like you ladies are catching up with us.

Do you ever want to physically bash some guy who has beaten and or abused his wife/girlfriend in some fashion, then justifies it by saying that the bible (or whatever religion/philosophy) says its ok?

Yep, and the women who condone/put up with it. Or the women doing it. Most cases of female/male abuse aren't reported.

Do you ever feel the urge to choke the life out of a proven child molester when you see them on the news?

Yes, like Donna Lafave (sp?) in Florida. Or anyone else.

Do you seethe when you hear that women do not need equal rights or control of their own bodies IE abortion?

No, as I see abortion as killing.

Do you ever get angry with other women who seemingly blindly follow anything the patriarchal system instructs her too?

Yes.

Do you ever feel that all the men should be gathered up and put into cages and only let out for breeding purposes and drone work?

Only benji  (just kidding, bud). Only as much as I feel all blacks should, or jews, or hispanics. Or women. Anyone thinking that "all men" are anything is a bigot.

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/11/2006 5:13:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KarbonCopy

I find it funny that constantly women are looking at men in a dark light.


Im a man. I work hard, I provide for my household without question, I make sure my family is taken care of, and I have never even been in a fight.

I've never hit a woman, I've never raped anyone. Sure I've yelled, but so has she. Does that make me useless?

I contribute to society by helping in devolpment of our industries.

Should I be locked away and denied my right to live my life?

I resent the fact that all the rape, the abuse, the history of voilence and oppresion falls on my shoulders. Thats bullshit. Actually straight up ignorant.

Do I condone rape? no.
Do I condone abuse, even if she's being "insubordinant" as the argument usually goes? no.

Do I think people should work together regardless of sex? yes.

This whole, female superiority crap has to end. A person can be superior, not a gender. Look past your own nose for a change. Or stop watching TV, whichever will help you step out of your home and take another look at society.
Or mabey living in Canada has spoiled me.


Mabey I came off harsh in this post, but it erks me because I personally have a problem with older males. I always have even as a child. I couldnt even form a bond with my own drunk of a father.

But its because of these men, and their faults that have given me a role model of what not to be like. I have choices in my life to make myself, and I chose to be the better person.
I choose not to stop my girlfriend from going out because i'm a jealous asshole.
I choose to carry the grocieries up for her because I know they're heavy and thats my job.
I choose to open the pickle jars because I'm stronger.

We work together, with her rational mind she takes care of the finances, I take care of the work. Though she has a job, I work full time as a tradesman while we pay for her to go to school to better herself.

I dont drink in excess and make her unhappy like my father did to my mother.
I dont yell at her, throw shit around and punch holes in the wall so that she cries herself to sleep, like my father did to my mother ( he never hit her).
I am just as useful as any one of you, and I have just as much to contribute to society.


I'm not even going to go into the whole women are manipulative, and back-stabbing crap argument. I just wanted to say my peace, and mention one more thing.

I'd like to thank my mother who raised me as a single mother most of my life, and did her best with the little she had.



Holy fucking shit, Karbon; this may be the first post of yours I've seen that doesn't make me shake my head lol. That you learn from the negatives in your life growing up, and work to be better, is called evolution, and it plays a huge part in the betterment of society; so, a tip of my hat to you.

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/11/2006 7:20:46 AM   
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That is very true Caretakr. I believe each human has the choice of doing good or evil.

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RE: Do we really need men? - 7/11/2006 7:28:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

Oh, yeah, Lashra, I feel this way a lot of the time.

But the people I get most angry with are the mothers and fathers who raise sons like this and with women who "stand by their men" when they behave in this fashion. If women didn't teach and didn't support these negative behaviors (as you have recounted) then men and boys would not behave this way.

I know because I have two men who do not behave this way because they were raised to be good men who value others as much if not more than themselves.

Just my opinion and feeling of course.

Oh thetammyjo I am so glad you brought this up! That is something that irks the hell out of me.. When I see a boy child misbehaving and his Mother just shrugs and says "What can I do? He's just a boy?" I want to bitch slap her into the next century and say "And THAT idiotic reasoning is why he will never learn to act like a man should. With intelligence, grace, manners and respect for all other people and the planet!"

I don't get it, I have a daughter and I raised her to respect all other people, animals and the environment. When she misbehaved I never once uttered "Oh dear what can I do she's just a girl?" I did my Motherly duty and taught her better so she would know that that was unacceptable behavior.

I truly think our education system needs to provide more parenting classes, perhaps it would help.

~Lashra

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