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Goat Milker - 6/18/2014 9:12:24 AM

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So a while ago someone asked whether a goat milker could be used on humans: http://www.collarchat.com/m_4626146/mpage_1/key_lactation/tm.htm#4629633

The community responses were overwhelmingly dickishly judgmental and condescending explaining the impossibility and harm that would cause. Thing is here's yet another person using a goat milker, I just came across it on fetlife:

https://fetlife.com/users/958868/pictures/28545275

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RE: Goat Milker - 6/18/2014 9:20:35 AM

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Oh yeah, you can, and you can use a cow milker too. They only develop between 10-15 psi of suction which is roughly only one atmosphere, and if you see those hand operated dick, pussy, clit, and/or nipple suction devices, they develop around 10-15 atmospheres or more, and it can get painful there for some.

Babies can develop slightly over one atmosphere of suction, call it one and a half. Good enough for the tits I am gonna suckle, at any rate.

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RE: Goat Milker - 6/18/2014 9:35:14 AM

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Oh yeah, you can, and you can use a cow milker too. They only develop between 10-15 psi of suction which is roughly only one atmosphere, and if you see those hand operated dick, pussy, clit, and/or nipple suction devices, they develop around 10-15 atmospheres

Dude that is over 300pounds of suction....ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch

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RE: Goat Milker - 6/18/2014 9:40:55 AM

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the 10-15 atmospheres? Yup, but again, the milkers run 10-15 pounds, a typical human breast pump is 11-12 pounds right in the middle there.

So, one needs to be aware of units here.

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RE: Goat Milker - 6/18/2014 9:44:51 AM

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the 10-15 atmospheres? Yup, but again, the milkers run 10-15 pounds, a typical human breast pump is 11-12 pounds right in the middle there.

So, one needs to be aware of units here.

I think I will continue to seek out the organic variety of suction pump hopefully one with pig tails for handles.

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RE: Goat Milker - 6/18/2014 9:48:42 AM

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Of course, nature is better, and more pure, Huntie..so by all means. You can grasp their ears as well if they have short hair, but dont apply to many pounds of draw (you know what I mean, not that they will listen anyway, nevertheless.........)

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RE: Goat Milker - 6/18/2014 4:34:09 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel

So a while ago someone asked whether a goat milker could be used on humans: http://www.collarchat.com/m_4626146/mpage_1/key_lactation/tm.htm#4629633

The community responses were overwhelmingly dickishly judgmental and condescending explaining the impossibility and harm that would cause. Thing is here's yet another person using a goat milker, I just came across it on fetlife:

https://fetlife.com/users/958868/pictures/28545275

WTF??????

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RE: Goat Milker - 6/18/2014 10:04:22 PM

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I guess I was one of the overwhelming dicks.

My opinion that it's not safe and not likely to be as effective as a made-for-humans pump isn't changed because someone did it on fetlife. There are a lot of people on fetlife doing things I would advise against.

If the farm animal role play is the important part of the kink, then that's fine. It's likely to be more expensive and less effective than using a human pump, but if the actual quantity of milk and ability to keep it up long term is not a major concern then why not buy a goat milker? The impression I got from the previous thread was that he wanted to produce milk and the goat milker was just his first idea, rather than goat role play being the point. He also asked for safety advice.

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RE: Goat Milker - 6/19/2014 5:32:03 AM

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Really guys.. I didn't comment on the thread that started this, just shook my head at it..It is not the suction of the machine, more so the design.

Animal milkers are designed for the teats of most animals, notice that the "nipple" of an animal is elongated, hence the tube that slides over it. The female breast being more considerably rounder with a smaller nipple is why breast pumps are shaped the way they are. They are designed to cup the breast with a small opening that when activated draws in the nipple and most of the areola to create the suction needing to let the milk down. The animal design would most likely draw in too much of the breast, increasing the chances for damage to the milk ducts and breast tissue in that area.

So the use is not so much the "power" that might put out but in the actual design of the equipment.

But I do suggest maybe you guys could test it on yourselves first? I'm thinking a specific male anatomy that would work nicely and let me know how it goes ;-)

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RE: Goat Milker - 6/19/2014 8:11:36 AM

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There is the issue of its being a more focused area of sucking, but if you examine the breast pump actual throat, it is smaller and once the outside of the bell is sealed, it aint doing much in the way of spreading the vacuum. So, no. I guess I could measure the actual diameter of a cow milker teat cup, at the throat and at the seal, (cuz I have one of those) and a breast pump and compare (but I would have to borrow that). I am sure some of the girls are put out, but then this isn't for everyone, and neither is adult breastfeeding or even fucking fisting. Oh fuckin well, hah?

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RE: Goat Milker - 6/19/2014 8:30:32 AM

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sigh... as I said earlier the human breast pump has a "cup" fixed to the outside to A) prevent more of the breast being drawn in and B) to create a suction or vacuum seal if that explains it better. The animal ones are tubes as the animal teat is longer than a humans as the mouth of the animal infant is protruding out so more "nipple" must be in the mouth to create the same "vacuum seal"...

I do question the validity of the picture in the link as from what I saw, there was no seal created and the one on the girls left breast as she is facing you barely has any breast let alone her areola in... looks more like there would be clamps attached to the inside of the tube and then clamped to her nipples.. but I digress..

I have no true beef with this, whatever gets people "beating" their meat is fine with me, but a little common sense, knowledge and thought would go a long way to preventing trips to the doc :-)...

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RE: Goat Milker - 6/19/2014 8:52:08 AM

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*sigh* I understand what you are saying. However, the throat no bigger but certainly no smaller than a babies mouth and no more suction, is not going to draw it down the cup throat any more than a baby will end up with the nipple in the esophagus or stomach, or out its ass. And if you check the horn cupped breast pumps (knowing that a milker does not exceed them in vacuum or suction) (in fact if a cow moves around enough, say to cough or to shit or piss or scratch their shins, the cups will fall off because there is no tight seal here...) you dont see nipples going down the throat of those, and they exceed the nipple by a large margin in length...

BTW, I don't know about goat milkers, but the actual vacuum cow milkers the compressor can be turned down. I would assume it is also true of electric milkers though, because like you, those tits when they are pregnant or just after are very sensitive...

I think for the largest part of the bell curve, milking with a milker does not mean sucking the tit into the milk can or even horrific 10" elongation of the tit. (in fact, there is a sliding valve in the top of the can that only allows vacuum on two of the four cups at a time. Lets say that a cow has mastitis, and you can only draw from two quarters, the other two remain open, and it somehow knows to pull vacuum on one then the other in sequence for a short time (like sucking) and then releases the vacuum, it is not continuous. So like choking, or beating, it isn't gonna break your arms or your tits if we are at all concerned about you.

I really got no dogs in the fight either, it is just not as horrific as a good sadist would have you believe. (I will not be educating a girl to this in person if I do it, it would ruin the romance of the ambience, yanno?) But it is no more dangerous in a semi-educated, semi-concerned, semi-realistic guys hands than a tawse.

Please be advised that the machines were made for making money off the tit milk, either goat, cow, whatever.........they are not designed to damage them in any way, and are actually gentler than a hand stripping.

This is not intended to deny your valid concerns. But it is kinda hawt you are frightened of them.

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RE: Goat Milker - 6/19/2014 4:49:56 PM

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What you have to be careful with is the settings on the suction pump for a milker. The ones designed for humans have a limiter that is set quite low and cycle at a low suction pressure to work. Commercial milking machines such as the one I used for milk goats when I lived in Washington had a variable vacuum setting that would pull a blood blister in minutes at the highest setting. If it was used for a single goat, you put it on a 2-3 out of 10 on the dial. At 10 it could pull hide off your hand.

Not something to play with if you don't know the limitations and precautions to use with the equipment.

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RE: Goat Milker - 6/19/2014 5:22:36 PM

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OMG, this is too too funny.

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RE: Goat Milker - 6/20/2014 3:06:15 PM

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OMG, this is too too funny.

If one amotorizes the cost of the goat milker over the life time of the user, divided by the cost of repair and/or replacement. Compare and contrast this with the costs of dating or a one way ticket to New Zealand before making your purchase.

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RE: Goat Milker - 6/20/2014 8:08:41 PM

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Not something to play with if you don't know the limitations and precautions to use with the equipment.

I don't think anyone will take the position that incompetent bdsm is good idea, most of the activities around here require some level of skill and understanding to be safe.

Just saying that this activity can and is being done in a manner that's not any harsher or less safe than plenty of other things kinsters are doing to breasts around here. And as such that the snarky negativity and judgements towards someone else's fetish were quite unwarranted.

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RE: Goat Milker - 7/11/2014 6:36:41 PM

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Goat milkers work fine and are commercial equipment and better made than the cheesy plastic human milkers that are often made to last for a few months... If you are really into it and go to the trouble of bring in lactation for the long term it's worth the extra cost to buy good equipment. Besides there is nothing sexier than a slave on all fours with her tits swinging back and forth as the milker cycles and she fills her milk bottles.

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RE: Goat Milker - 7/11/2014 7:39:07 PM

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Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something. Nor does it mean that the photo wasn't just for the camera,as SinFix pointed out, there appears to be no suction being used. Which says it's faked for the camera.

Hell, I've seen photoshopped pictures that presumably had a woman suspended by her breasts from a tree. Until you looked at the snow covered ground without any footprints to get her up there to begin with.

If you think that something designed for an elongated animal teat belongs being used on humans, I second the suggestion to try it first on your own elongated body part that would fit in a goat milker much easier than a breast. After all, there's no reason not to if you are sure it is perfectly safe and that you don't need to consult a doctor first.

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RE: Goat Milker - 7/12/2014 4:49:53 PM

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OP one can without any doubt use everything on everybody. But between the possibility to do so and the consequences, let alone the ability, there is big cliff. It is called injury.

All regular BDSM equipment in the area of suction can already be used wrongly but is certainly safer then farm equipment.

So personally I would strongly advice against the use of a goat milker on humans.
And practically I think BDSM gear for suction will be easier to come by and will probably be cheaper, let alone safer.

About the picture.
I am not sure this is a goat milker. The suction took place and the device remains in place.
That means the device could be closed at the end when the tubes were removed which is not a feature (because useless) in farm equipment.
Some BDSM suction equipment does have that feature just to allow to happen what you see in the picture and to restore mobility (which with the tubes connected to a pump - manual or electric is limited).

So either this is not a goat milker, or the picture is not the picture you intended to post or there is something else wrong.

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RE: Goat Milker - 7/13/2014 6:35:07 PM

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this conversation was priceless.
Surely there's a company making human breast pumps that look like animal ones. Anyone that's seen an animal being milked would realise its a bad idea to use the same machinery on humans...

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