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TPE without the connection? - 8/4/2014 5:14:35 PM   
LauqeSderdnik


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I am an experienced lifestyle Domme. I was recently contacted by a potential slave who is looking for a LTR but who wants to be only objectified, not a member of a "relationship." I have always run my TPE relationships like a relationship....both halves of a whole. He is looking for more of a simple servitude, but I am not sure how that would work long term. I feel like it would feel so..empty.

I feel like if I just wanted just an objectified slave, I might as well hire a maid. What are your thoughts?
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RE: TPE without the connection? - 8/4/2014 7:06:30 PM   
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I did have a totally different response to your *predicament*, but in taking a look at your profile, it would appear that what you are seeking IS an "objectified slave."

You are a Domme/Dom couple seeking both male slaves "who will be [kept] in chastity" and female slaves who "will have no unauthorized physical contact with male slaves."

With the caveat: "Everyone in the household must work and contribute financially to the household," as well as caring for your farm animals.

What is the difference between seeking farm-working slaves to objectify, and one wanting to be objectified part time (ostensibly as barter) with his fetish and/or kink???

Both you and your Dom partner need to get real in terms of your highly unethical concept of acquiring free farm-laborer income-producers as somehow being on par with consensual *slavery.*

Basically, all you're offering is payable room & board as overseers, as in landlords collecting rent. In case you missed the memo, actual slave labor and actual slavery is against the law.

ETA: Btw, are you the only one who is bi or is the Dom half of your couple bi also?

< Message edited by FieryOpal -- 8/4/2014 7:09:25 PM >


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RE: TPE without the connection? - 8/4/2014 9:56:02 PM   
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quote:


"Everyone in the household must work and contribute financially to the household,"


Huh? I missed something, when did this become unreasonable?

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RE: TPE without the connection? - 8/4/2014 11:24:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel
quote:

"Everyone in the household must work and contribute financially to the household,"

Huh? I missed something, when did this become unreasonable?

Here, I'll fix it for you -- But, keep in mind that this is NOT how the profile reads.

Everyone in the poly household, must either work on the (communal) farm as his/her contribution to his/her room & board, or else work at a wage-generating job off the farm
and pay his/her fair share towards room & board equivalent to what the comparable market value would be charged to a local boarder.

Weekly hours TBD based on skillset and/or trainability, not to exceed 40 hours/week, with designated day(s) off, alternating holiday shifts, and a provision for ___ sick days.
Two weeks' notice is required for termination of this informal Master/slave (verbal or written, but not legally binding) "contract,"* which has a 90-day open-ended probationary period,
before coming into full force and effect for a term not to exceed 12 months, whereupon it is renewable by either party on a month-to-month basis.


* (Who is responsible for paying medical insurance premiums, insurance deductibles/co-payments, transportation, other associated insurances and/or liabilities will be determined on a case-by-case basis.)

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RE: TPE without the connection? - 8/5/2014 5:30:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FieryOpal
Here, I'll fix it for you -- But, keep in mind that this is NOT how the profile reads.

Everyone in the poly household, must either work on the (communal) farm as his/her contribution to his/her room & board, or else work at a wage-generating job off the farm
and pay his/her fair share towards room & board equivalent to what the comparable market value would be charged to a local boarder.

Weekly hours TBD based on skillset and/or trainability, not to exceed 40 hours/week, with designated day(s) off, alternating holiday shifts, and a provision for ___ sick days.
Two weeks' notice is required for termination of this informal Master/slave (verbal or written, but not legally binding) "contract,"* which has a 90-day open-ended probationary period,
before coming into full force and effect for a term not to exceed 12 months, whereupon it is renewable by either party on a month-to-month basis.


* (Who is responsible for paying medical insurance premiums, insurance deductibles/co-payments, transportation, other associated insurances and/or liabilities will be determined on a case-by-case basis.)


Where did you find all that, I didn't see it on the profile?

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RE: TPE without the connection? - 8/5/2014 5:52:59 AM   
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Can we hear more about the farm animals part?

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RE: TPE without the connection? - 8/5/2014 10:26:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel
quote:

ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

Here, I'll fix it for you -- But, keep in mind that this is NOT how the profile reads.

Everyone in the poly household, must either work on the (communal) farm as his/her contribution to his/her room & board, or else work at a wage-generating job off the farm
and pay his/her fair share towards room & board equivalent to what the comparable market value would be charged to a local boarder.

Weekly hours TBD based on skillset and/or trainability, not to exceed 40 hours/week, with designated day(s) off, alternating holiday shifts, and a provision for ___ sick days.
Two weeks' notice is required for termination of this informal Master/slave (verbal or written, but not legally binding) "contract,"* which has a 90-day open-ended probationary period,
before coming into full force and effect for a term not to exceed 12 months, whereupon it is renewable by either party on a month-to-month basis.


* (Who is responsible for paying medical insurance premiums, insurance deductibles/co-payments, transportation, other associated insurances and/or liabilities will be determined on a case-by-case basis.)

Where did you find all that, I didn't see it on the profile?

Aah-h, must have bumped my head and thought I was over on the P&R Boards GS, cuz I was improvising.

< Message edited by FieryOpal -- 8/5/2014 10:36:42 AM >


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RE: TPE without the connection? - 8/5/2014 12:21:26 PM   
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I thank you for attempting to help me rationalize my thoughts with this slave but I think you may have missed the point. After speaking with him further, we got the "kinks" worked out, as it ends up he was just confused and I wasn't understanding his question. To answer your profile questions, no we do not have a farm. No we are not looking for free labor. No both Dominant members are not bi. For that matter, the profile has been updated and there isn't even a "we."

The point of my questions was to ask if you thought you could have a long term relationship with an objectified slave. Not to lectured on labor laws that don't even apply, etc. Thanks for reaffirming the pointlessness of trying to ask for an opinion in this community. Welcome to the judgement zone, unfortunately.

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RE: TPE without the connection? - 8/5/2014 2:14:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

I did have a totally different response to your *predicament*, but in taking a look at your profile, it would appear that what you are seeking IS an "objectified slave."

You are a Domme/Dom couple seeking both male slaves "who will be [kept] in chastity" and female slaves who "will have no unauthorized physical contact with male slaves."

With the caveat: "Everyone in the household must work and contribute financially to the household," as well as caring for your farm animals.

What is the difference between seeking farm-working slaves to objectify, and one wanting to be objectified part time (ostensibly as barter) with his fetish and/or kink???

Both you and your Dom partner need to get real in terms of your highly unethical concept of acquiring free farm-laborer income-producers as somehow being on par with consensual *slavery.*

Basically, all you're offering is payable room & board as overseers, as in landlords collecting rent. In case you missed the memo, actual slave labor and actual slavery is against the law.

ETA: Btw, are you the only one who is bi or is the Dom half of your couple bi also?


Were these lines from the profile? Their profile says none of this at all.

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RE: TPE without the connection? - 8/5/2014 2:17:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LauqeSderdnik

The point of my questions was to ask if you thought you could have a long term relationship with an objectified slave. Not to lectured on labor laws that don't even apply, etc. Thanks for reaffirming the pointlessness of trying to ask for an opinion in this community. Welcome to the judgement zone, unfortunately.


Bah. When you ask for opinions you will get all sorts of them, take away what applies to you and leave the rest. Dismissing the entire community over something like this is kind of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Your results will vary.

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RE: TPE without the connection? - 8/5/2014 5:49:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LauqeSderdnik

I thank you for attempting to help me rationalize my thoughts with this slave but I think you may have missed the point. After speaking with him further, we got the "kinks" worked out, as it ends up he was just confused and I wasn't understanding his question. To answer your profile questions, no we do not have a farm. No we are not looking for free labor. No both Dominant members are not bi. For that matter, the profile has been updated and there isn't even a "we."

The point of my questions was to ask if you thought you could have a long term relationship with an objectified slave. Not to lectured on labor laws that don't even apply, etc. Thanks for reaffirming the pointlessness of trying to ask for an opinion in this community. Welcome to the judgement zone, unfortunately.

You're quite welcome, and the changes you made to your profile read much better. When you spoke in your OP about how you were "recently contacted by a potential slave who is looking for a LTR but who wants to be only objectified, not a member of a 'relationship.' I have always run my TPE relationships like a relationship....both halves of a whole," on the surface, this did not seem incongruent with the expectations of an "experienced, lifestyle Domme" exchanging messages with a BDSM bottom and/or fetishist who was not interested in developing an intimate relationship with you, but was merely seeking a Dominant woman to Top him, or else non-sexual Domination while he performed service-related tasks.

So no, upon reviewing your original profile, I did not miss the point of the incongruency of the advice you were asking or of others' opinions (and personal experiences, no doubt) and what was actually contained in your profile, namely NOT a complementary half to your intimate relationship coin, unless your version of this involves a chastity slave.

Stipulating caring for farm animals and seeking help around a farm/farmette is not such a far-fetched conclusion by any means. I don't know what the farm labor laws in your state are. The example I provided for GotSteel's benefit in my reply was to illustrate the contrast between what conditional terms were originally laid out or overlooked and what a more comprehensive poly household of both male and female slaves might realistically resemble.

Furthermore, there is no reason why you couldn't have an LTR with an objectified slave, if both parties are willing.

May I suggest that perhaps why you felt you were being judged is because there were aspects of your story which just simply didn't jive? All you had to do was clarify why 2+2 was adding up to 6 instead of 4.

Good luck working things out with a suitable male slave for your purposes, whether this is with your current candidate or with another.

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RE: TPE without the connection? - 8/6/2014 8:02:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FieryOpal
May I suggest that perhaps why you felt you were being judged is because there were aspects of your story which just simply didn't jive? All you had to do was clarify why 2+2 was adding up to 6 instead of 4.


Conversely all you had to do was ask. You could have skipped the whole portion of the thread where you invented a nefarious motivation for another poster and then castigated them based on the fantasy in your head simply by asking for clarification.

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RE: TPE without the connection? - 8/6/2014 8:09:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel
quote:

ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

May I suggest that perhaps why you felt you were being judged is because there were aspects of your story which just simply didn't jive? All you had to do was clarify why 2+2 was adding up to 6 instead of 4.

Conversely all you had to do was ask. You could have skipped the whole portion of the thread where you invented a nefarious motivation for another poster and then castigated them based on the fantasy in your head simply by asking for clarification.

That was for your benefit in response to your reply to my post, if I may refresh your memory.

quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel
quote:

"Everyone in the household must work and contribute financially to the household,"

Huh? I missed something, when did this become unreasonable?


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RE: TPE without the connection? - 8/6/2014 8:15:22 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gauge


quote:

ORIGINAL: LauqeSderdnik

The point of my questions was to ask if you thought you could have a long term relationship with an objectified slave. Not to lectured on labor laws that don't even apply, etc. Thanks for reaffirming the pointlessness of trying to ask for an opinion in this community. Welcome to the judgement zone, unfortunately.


Bah. When you ask for opinions you will get all sorts of them, take away what applies to you and leave the rest. Dismissing the entire community over something like this is kind of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Your results will vary.


Well she did just pretty much experience the old standard operating procedure for new posters in this community.

To the OP, consider asking advice on fetlife, it's more broken up so it'll take a bit of looking around to find the right place but at least the portions I frequent have a significantly more positive vibe than this place.


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RE: TPE without the connection? - 8/6/2014 8:20:29 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FieryOpal
That was for your benefit in response to your reply to my post, if I may refresh your memory.


Um no, I was referring to your initial post addressed to the OP, more specifically:


quote:

ORIGINAL: FieryOpal
Both you and your Dom partner need to get real in terms of your highly unethical concept of acquiring free farm-laborer income-producers as somehow being on par with consensual *slavery.*

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RE: TPE without the connection? - 8/6/2014 8:41:44 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel
quote:

ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

That was for your benefit in response to your reply to my post, if I may refresh your memory.

Um no, I was referring to your initial post addressed to the OP, more specifically:
quote:

ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

Both you and your Dom partner need to get real in terms of your highly unethical concept of acquiring free farm-laborer income-producers as somehow being on par with consensual *slavery.*

We are both Dominants. This does not mean we should look the other way when other Dominants come posting at least once a month with complaints about how they can't find any "real" live-in slaves (often calling them fakes and time wasters, etc.) for instant 24/7 TPE free maid service and unpaid labor.

(Remember the no-experience "Master" who couldn't find any willing slaves after 10-20 years to do computer programming, set up and run his business[es], in exchange for the privilege of joining his pie-in-the-sky slave household?)

Do try to keep up.

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RE: TPE without the connection? - 8/6/2014 11:34:43 AM   
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Objectification is a very complex kink. I've seen three variations on the boards here: Madonna/whore types, SOME sissy maids and mummification/furniture play. There are other forms of objectification, but those are the the ones you could search for here, and read about on multiple threads.

I thought about adding sadomasochism as a fourth expression of objectification, but that is only sometimes true, and it appears to be more true, when those participants are "hard players" or "edge players." I admit to feeling not well-versed enough to evaluate pet play, as a form of objectification. From local experience, I'd say that pet play is akin to age play, in that it suspends disbelief to accommodate role play. I defer to the experience of others in regard to these kinks, as they relate to objectification.

The extreme objectification seems to be the mummified or furniture play. There is no human consideration in this beyond the need for safety. (Does the "chair" have a slipped disc or can the mummy breathe?) This is an owner/object relationship and is inherently, a TPE activity. Both are temporary acts, so whether the relationship remains TPE when the act is over, will vary.

The Madonna/whore complex types. Some people's sexuality is split into two extremes. Good girls or ladies, deserving of respect and protection, qualify as marriage material. These women appear to be mostly, non-sexual. Then, there are the sluts, whores, cunts and bitches. These women enjoy sexuality: in practice, in fashion and in speech. These women are extramarital affair material. There is no "whole person" view available to the Madonna/whore sufferers.

In BDSM, these types ^^^ are the Doms, who find a "good girl" sub, who has been similarly polarized and therefore, needs to be objectified (slut, cunt) to release her from the "lady" limitations. She cums like gangbusters, but only when he gives her permission to, in the name of serving his pleasure. Those two types "fit" except when it comes to her desire to share his vanilla life (whether he is married, or single). He wouldn't be caught dead being associated with a woman like that!

As is easy to imagine, men with this pathology are drawn to D/s. When he controls everything, it's much easier to manage women in their lives when transparency and full-disclosure can be avoided with a few simple lies. And, they come to this with a moral code that says, when a woman is sexual, she's unworthy of respect. She gets what she deserves. Many a female submissive has learned the hard way that her Dom, is actually one of those types. She was an object of abuse, when she thought she was an object of pleasure.

That's one reason why I agree with those who advise we get to know each other in a vanilla way - before entering into a D/s relationship. Over time, it becomes clear, if that is what is going on, or if they guy can actually be a Dominant.

Some pre-op, M to F, transsexuals, use the sissy maid kink, to experience time during which they may cross-dress, do what they view as "women's work," while gaining the feedback of the dominant person they serve. They don't want to be treated as the man they currently are (physically), which is how the rest of the world treats them, rather they want to be treated as the woman they will be (physically). Some, will never have the surgery, and this is a way to live their true selves, safely and with support. Please note, I said, SOME sissy maids... others are doing very different things with that kink which has nothing to do with objectification.

While it's good to have a relationship, of any kind, which is win/win, in the objectification kink, what the "object" wins may not be so clear to "outsiders."

If I'm understanding your question in your OP, taking into account that you are "experienced," then I think your confusion arises from the fact you have been presented with an offer that entails objectification of BOTH of you. You, get to objectify the slave in ways which add to your life, BUT this particular slave, outside of those activities, is not available for anything else. That means, that YOU are being "used" in the service of the slave's kink.

Now, I can already "hear" the groans about yet another sub/slave, seeking a kink-delivery system (objectification of the Dom/Domme). I don't share that outrage, at all. In my view, if you "match" then you "match." So, if this person is offering you a situation you would like, then try it. If you don't like it, then reject it.

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RE: TPE without the connection? - 8/6/2014 12:22:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FieryOpal
We are both Dominants. This does not mean we should look the other way when other Dominants come posting at least once a month with complaints about how they can't find any "real" live-in slaves (often calling them fakes and time wasters, etc.) for instant 24/7 TPE free maid service and unpaid labor.


If this has anything to do with the OP or anything I've ever said I sure don't see what, care to explain what's going on in your head?

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RE: TPE without the connection? - 8/6/2014 1:29:46 PM   
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Maybe "no connection" is the connection.

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RE: TPE without the connection? - 8/6/2014 2:38:25 PM   
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OP, now that you have been brought up to speed on labour laws and ethics and have been made aware of the existence of insurance companies and since you elegantly endured it without kicking back I think it is time that you get some answer to your question too otherwise you'll keep that bitter taste that you have of this community right now forever.

BecomingV explained Objectification and the basics of this play should be part of the assertion if LTR is possible in your set-up.

Technically as some poster wrote everything is possible if you can make it work. I am sure this play will work in the start-up.
All will depend how well you can keep it up when some problems or trouble arise or when boredom would install.
I say boredom because as I understand the scope of play remains strictly limited to objectification and I wonder how many hours one can play table, statue or be mummified, etc over the years before it becomes same-old-same-old.

As long as you both know that you making a best effort for the LTR because you are both behind it then I think it is worth trying.
At least if it fails you'll both know why and it will be something you can't fix or you would to keep the LTR in place.

So it sounds to me you don't have a lot to loose in trying.

PS: And Welcome. I know how it feels when the Bell Boy tries to play Concierge with new posters and the Manager needs to address the situation.

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