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You don't understand what is going on.

Me, and all the rioters too, it seems. I don't matter, obviously - but they do. This is one reason why public trials exist. Justice needs to be done, to be seen to be done, and accepted to have been done, as I said.

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What felon? Mike Brown had never been arrested and has never been accused of any felony ever.

Hmmm, you seem to be forgetting that on his way to Grandma's house he robbed a convenience store.

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 Also, based on the testimony from the Grand Jury, he assaulted an officer, tried to steal the officer's weapon, and resisted arrest. Those are all felonies. But you're right, he wasn't arrested.

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As far as the rest of your statement, were you at the Grand Jury? If not, I'd say that the folks who were, and voted not to hold officer Wilson over for trial, might know a bit more then you.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

He is contradicted by every other witness.

No he wasn't

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

He is contradicted by every other witness.

No he wasn't

There was one witness, who gave contradictory statements, whose grand jury statement sort of agreed with Wilson. His initial statement to police said that Brown was on the sidewalk when the confrontation began and that he saw it from over 100 yards away. The testimony he gave to the grand jury was that Brown was in the street and he saw it from less than 50 yards. That's the sort of defense witness prosecutors love to see get on the stand in a trial. That he/she was considered credible by the DA in front of the grand jury is baffling.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

He is contradicted by every other witness.

No he wasn't

There was one witness, who gave contradictory statements, whose grand jury statement sort of agreed with Wilson. His initial statement to police said that Brown was on the sidewalk when the confrontation began and that he saw it from over 100 yards away. The testimony he gave to the grand jury was that Brown was in the street and he saw it from less than 50 yards. That's the sort of defense witness prosecutors love to see get on the stand in a trial. That he/she was considered credible by the DA in front of the grand jury is baffling.

As always you ignore everything that you don't like.
The jury, even the black members, must have been as biased as the DA.
Everyone voted against indictment. If it was as you say someone would have voted for indictment.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

He is contradicted by every other witness.

No he wasn't

There was one witness, who gave contradictory statements, whose grand jury statement sort of agreed with Wilson. His initial statement to police said that Brown was on the sidewalk when the confrontation began and that he saw it from over 100 yards away. The testimony he gave to the grand jury was that Brown was in the street and he saw it from less than 50 yards. That's the sort of defense witness prosecutors love to see get on the stand in a trial. That he/she was considered credible by the DA in front of the grand jury is baffling.

As always you ignore everything that you don't like.
The jury, even the black members, must have been as biased as the DA.
Everyone voted against indictment. If it was as you say someone would have voted for indictment.

You have no idea what the votes were. All you know is that no more than  8 of the 12 voted to indict on any count. 

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FR

Anyone else bothered by the fact that many of the same people who tell us not to defend ourselves and let the police do it are the ones who yell the loudest anytime the police have to use force?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

He is contradicted by every other witness.

No he wasn't

There was one witness, who gave contradictory statements, whose grand jury statement sort of agreed with Wilson. His initial statement to police said that Brown was on the sidewalk when the confrontation began and that he saw it from over 100 yards away. The testimony he gave to the grand jury was that Brown was in the street and he saw it from less than 50 yards. That's the sort of defense witness prosecutors love to see get on the stand in a trial. That he/she was considered credible by the DA in front of the grand jury is baffling.

As always you ignore everything that you don't like.
The jury, even the black members, must have been as biased as the DA.
Everyone voted against indictment. If it was as you say someone would have voted for indictment.

You have no idea what the votes were. All you know is that no more than  8 of the 12 voted to indict on any count. 

If it was as cut and dried as you want to believe there would have been 12 for indictment.
They would have indicted him on at least one of the charges.
You ignore the physical evidence which showed that he was not shot in the back and that he did not have his hands up.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

He is contradicted by every other witness.

No he wasn't

There was one witness, who gave contradictory statements, whose grand jury statement sort of agreed with Wilson. His initial statement to police said that Brown was on the sidewalk when the confrontation began and that he saw it from over 100 yards away. The testimony he gave to the grand jury was that Brown was in the street and he saw it from less than 50 yards. That's the sort of defense witness prosecutors love to see get on the stand in a trial. That he/she was considered credible by the DA in front of the grand jury is baffling.

As always you ignore everything that you don't like.
The jury, even the black members, must have been as biased as the DA.
Everyone voted against indictment. If it was as you say someone would have voted for indictment.

You have no idea what the votes were. All you know is that no more than  8 of the 12 voted to indict on any count. 

If it was as cut and dried as you want to believe there would have been 12 for indictment.
They would have indicted him on at least one of the charges.
You ignore the physical evidence which showed that he was not shot in the back and that he did not have his hands up.

Except the grand jury wasn't instructed properly, was actually instructed twice once with out of date and illegal instructions, was never actually even given any proposed charges to consider and that the evidence that you claim shows that his hands were not up does not show any such thing and there is no way you can show that from the physical evidence.

All that is clear is that the prosecutor had no intention of ever getting an indictment from this grand jury in this case.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

He is contradicted by every other witness.

No he wasn't

There was one witness, who gave contradictory statements, whose grand jury statement sort of agreed with Wilson. His initial statement to police said that Brown was on the sidewalk when the confrontation began and that he saw it from over 100 yards away. The testimony he gave to the grand jury was that Brown was in the street and he saw it from less than 50 yards. That's the sort of defense witness prosecutors love to see get on the stand in a trial. That he/she was considered credible by the DA in front of the grand jury is baffling.

As always you ignore everything that you don't like.
The jury, even the black members, must have been as biased as the DA.
Everyone voted against indictment. If it was as you say someone would have voted for indictment.

You have no idea what the votes were. All you know is that no more than  8 of the 12 voted to indict on any count. 

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

What felon? Mike Brown had never been arrested and has never been accused of any felony ever.

Hmmm, you seem to be forgetting that on his way to Grandma's house he robbed a convenience store.

No complaint was ever filed and the value of the goods is far too low to be a felony.

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 Also, based on the testimony from the Grand Jury, he assaulted an officer, tried to steal the officer's weapon, and resisted arrest. Those are all felonies. But you're right, he wasn't arrested.

you mean the testimony by Wilson? He is contradicted by every other witness.

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As far as the rest of your statement, were you at the Grand Jury? If not, I'd say that the folks who were, and voted not to hold officer Wilson over for trial, might know a bit more then you.

I can read the evidence as easily as anyone else. It is all publicly available now. Are you not aware of that fact?

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FR

Anyone else bothered by the fact that many of the same people who tell us not to defend ourselves and let the police do it are the ones who yell the loudest anytime the police have to use force?

Bothered by it? No. Unfortunately, I've become jaded enough to expect inconsistencies that spring from constantly moving goal posts.







Screen captures (and pissing on shadows) still RULE! Ya feel me?

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FR

Anyone else bothered by the fact that many of the same people who tell us not to defend ourselves and let the police do it are the ones who yell the loudest anytime the police have to use force?

Bothered by it? No. Unfortunately, I've become jaded enough to expect inconsistencies that spring from constantly moving goal posts.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

What felon? Mike Brown had never been arrested and has never been accused of any felony ever.

Hmmm, you seem to be forgetting that on his way to Grandma's house he robbed a convenience store.

No complaint was ever filed and the value of the goods is far too low to be a felony.

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 Also, based on the testimony from the Grand Jury, he assaulted an officer, tried to steal the officer's weapon, and resisted arrest. Those are all felonies. But you're right, he wasn't arrested.

you mean the testimony by Wilson? He is contradicted by every other witness.

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As far as the rest of your statement, were you at the Grand Jury? If not, I'd say that the folks who were, and voted not to hold officer Wilson over for trial, might know a bit more then you.

I can read the evidence as easily as anyone else. It is all publicly available now. Are you not aware of that fact?

Do you often expect charges to be filed when the suspect is dead?

As far as I'm aware, using a threat of force to take an item is robbery, regardless of the value of the item. It's more about the force or threat of force then the item.

Am I aware of that fact? Why, yes I am. Do I think you're only going to read what you like and ignore the rest. Why, yes I do.

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The no bill discussion comes down to proof of reasonable doubt. The eye witness testimony had many inconsistencies so what was left for the Grand Jury to basis the verdict on other than factual physical evidence. Even for sake of discussion, if the Grand Jury was not instructed properly on legalities or bias in nature then presenting the physical evidence that was factual and consistent would have rendered an indictment if the facts clearly and without reasonable doubt proved it.

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Funny how when Grand Juries vote the way you want, then justice has been served, when they don't it's some sort of bias and conspiracy. It was you who insisted that the Grand Jury clearly had access to more facts then were being presented on right wing news sites when we were discussing the unarmed white suspect who was shot by a black officer, right? You even insisted that he deserved to get his job back, because he'd clearly done nothing wrong.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

What felon? Mike Brown had never been arrested and has never been accused of any felony ever.

Hmmm, you seem to be forgetting that on his way to Grandma's house he robbed a convenience store.

No complaint was ever filed and the value of the goods is far too low to be a felony.

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 Also, based on the testimony from the Grand Jury, he assaulted an officer, tried to steal the officer's weapon, and resisted arrest. Those are all felonies. But you're right, he wasn't arrested.

you mean the testimony by Wilson? He is contradicted by every other witness.

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As far as the rest of your statement, were you at the Grand Jury? If not, I'd say that the folks who were, and voted not to hold officer Wilson over for trial, might know a bit more then you.

I can read the evidence as easily as anyone else. It is all publicly available now. Are you not aware of that fact?

Do you often expect charges to be filed when the suspect is dead?

As far as I'm aware, using a threat of force to take an item is robbery, regardless of the value of the item. It's more about the force or threat of force then the item.

Am I aware of that fact? Why, yes I am. Do I think you're only going to read what you like and ignore the rest. Why, yes I do.

Then you are a clueless fuck and you have no idea what you are talking about. Brown would never have been charged with a felony for simply taking some cheap cigars even if that taking was ever reported which the owners of the store did not do and did not want to do.