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RE: Why are women generally seen as the weaker sex? - 8/27/2014 2:02:37 AM

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OP - the short answer is that perpetuating falsities is economically profitable for men.

Longer answers deal with the rise of patriarchal religions. The earliest deities known to be worshiped by humans were female. Goddesses. The word cunt is really like the word christian. The Goddess Kunti was revered. Her shrines were circular: wells, circles of stones, cups and bowls, etc... Her followers were called cunts. Humans thought that menstrual blood was a life force (which it IS) and when pregnant, they thought that she held back all of that power within herself to create a new human. In that view, SHE is the Creator. Thus, the worship.

Then they figured out that sperm had something to do with reproduction, and suddenly, she became a vessel to be used and controlled, because she was carrying HIS new human. That is when men felt an interest in female sexuality, their partners and in controlling their bodies. She became his property. This was enforced with things like, "the crusades" and "the burning times" (witch burnings). Women of money, property and education were targeted, under Church mandate.

It's not that women were ever weak. That's like saying Africans were weak and that's why they were enslaved. No, if you send an army to overtake a village, you'll succeed. And, then, it's a matter of finding your way out of capture, while captured. To maintain the growing numbers of enslaved, you have to take a few of them, give them limited power and have them take over the oppression of the group. You see signs of this with women when they call each other, "bitches" and "ho's" and "sluts." When's the last time a woman gave a hoot about another woman's sex life? No, slut-shaming among vanilla teens is all about oppressing women TO sustain male power over them.

Your OP is really a question about the IMAGE of weakness, and that's what happened.

Going decades ahead to American suffragettes. Again, black men and women of any color, united to gain the vote that the Constitution denied them. TO REACH THE GOAL, black men dumped women and this worked. Feminist leaders of that time said, "Until women learn to unite towards a goal, in the same manner in which men do, they will see no gains." In THAT, I do see women as weaker, but I explained why that happened (slavery divides us), and I see it all changing.

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RE: Why are women generally seen as the weaker sex? - 8/30/2014 1:16:23 PM

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To any student of history and the people around you, women, quite clearly, are not the weaker sex when you scratch the surface.

Read Simone de Beauvoir. She laid it out beautifully when she said something like, and in far more words, that women have chosen to be the weaker sex on the surface of things.

What she didn't say was that she found women for her lover and laid them on a plate for him. So, there's an interesting question there: was she really right when she said it was a cultural issue rather than genetic? I think she was, but she didn't help her argument with her aforementioned actions.

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RE: Why are women generally seen as the weaker sex? - 9/25/2014 8:51:18 PM

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Whew...this seems like punching a hornets nest...so I shall use my words carefully.

There is no such thing as a stronger sex. There are predisposed factors that apply to a majority percentage, but that is all. Every person has different struggles and walks a different path. Each individual is stronger in different ways. Each person has different skill sets that make them better suited for different jobs. To that end, neither women nor men are stronger than one another. There is no man's world or woman's world. There is no privilege. Some men have it just as hard as women, and vice versa. It is all a level playing field when we start and we grow strong based on what we are each individually made to endure.

That being said, your friend's outlook is just what society promotes. They are stereotypes based on the predisposed majority percentage, nothing more, nothing less. A mature individual knows that you can't group people, but rather you take people individually, one at a time. You don't judge as a whole.

Your friend isn't wrong, he just is looking at things from the only perspective he knows. Perhaps one day he will be able to see things from a different angle.

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RE: Why are women generally seen as the weaker sex? - 3/4/2015 2:47:43 AM

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Because they are irrational creatures chained by emotions and not logic. When allowed to rule themselves they make nothing but bad decisions then wonder why their lives are horrible at 40 with their 10 cats and mateless. Then there's the whole physical side of being weaker too.

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RE: Why are women generally seen as the weaker sex? - 3/4/2015 5:01:57 AM

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Because they are irrational creatures chained by emotions and not logic. When allowed to rule themselves they make nothing but bad decisions then wonder why their lives are horrible at 40 with their 10 cats and mateless. Then there's the whole physical side of being weaker too.

You pulled out a 6 month old thread for this?

good luck with that

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RE: Why are women generally seen as the weaker sex? - 3/4/2015 5:14:52 AM

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I ask because I just got into a rather heated argument with a close male friend of mine. He doesn't know about my submissive lifestyle, but we were having a conversation and he proceeded to tell me how he felt that women were really only good for certain things like cooking, cleaning, having children and making her bf/husband happy. And that he felt women will never really be truly able to do a job as good as a man because they let their emotions get in the way. And that he felt like the world would be a better place if women stuck to doing what they were genetically made to do which is take on a more nurturing motherly more soft feminine role. And to let men do what they were more genetically inclined to do which is take on a more dominant controlling role. To not interfere with what he calls "women's work" like cooking and cleaning. So thoughts or opinions?

Wow.....does this guy have a hood to go with all that misogyny?

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RE: Why are women generally seen as the weaker sex? - 3/4/2015 8:44:26 AM

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Because they are irrational creatures chained by emotions and not logic. When allowed to rule themselves they make nothing but bad decisions then wonder why their lives are horrible at 40 with their 10 cats and mateless. Then there's the whole physical side of being weaker too.

Wow, you definitely are a certain kind of special, aren't you?

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RE: Why are women generally seen as the weaker sex? - 3/4/2015 8:48:45 AM

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Because they are irrational creatures chained by emotions and not logic. When allowed to rule themselves they make nothing but bad decisions then wonder why their lives are horrible at 40 with their 10 cats and mateless. Then there's the whole physical side of being weaker too.

Wow, you definitely are a certain kind of special, aren't you?

LOL the bitterness is strong with this one. Mikhaelis, whatever you need to tell yourself sunshine.

Maybe Nick was falsely accused all this time, geez.

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RE: Why are women generally seen as the weaker sex? - 3/4/2015 8:54:16 AM

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I wouldn't get too upset on this one folks. We are about done here. The thread can continue, but the inflammatory comments can be ignored so that the thread isn't hijacked. I could remove all the post and it isn't laziness that prevents that, but something else I am not getting into, but will keep my options open to that and anything you say in response would be lost if I remove anything.

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RE: Why are women generally seen as the weaker sex? - 3/4/2015 12:08:35 PM

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I imagine, 3, that you're getting tired of having to c & p that same response in every necro thread Mr Braggadocio has brought back.
Should we have a zombie section for these?

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RE: Why are women generally seen as the weaker sex? - 3/4/2015 1:04:46 PM

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Because they are irrational creatures chained by emotions and not logic. When allowed to rule themselves they make nothing but bad decisions then wonder why their lives are horrible at 40 with their 10 cats and mateless. Then there's the whole physical side of being weaker too.

And yet they prefer that to being with you. Go figure.

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RE: Why are women generally seen as the weaker sex? - 3/4/2015 4:15:53 PM

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Short response-your friend sounds like a dick.

Long response-well....that's all I've really got. Your friend sounds like a dick.

If it's any consolation, I do know someone who is like this and it's been my observation that his behavior is a combination of his family upbringing (old world Italian machismo) and personal insecurities.

He gets very standoffish with me because finds me to be a threat to his masculinity, both in intelligence and my ability to do everything that he can do and then some. At least I can change the brakes on my car, he doesn't know how to use a screwdriver-kid you not.

Let's put it this way, I made him cry a few times when he got a little too misogynistic with his commentary.

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RE: Why are women generally seen as the weaker sex? - 3/5/2015 9:31:45 PM

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My owner and I had a conversation about that years ago and it comes up occasionally in conversation still but to give the gist of what his opinion was. Weakness in his opinion is judged by the need to use manipulation instead of being upfront. People who have power don't need need to fake it, people play the game to try to get ahead. Traditionally, women were in a place where to get what they wanted they had to manipulate the system, men were not and that was the basis for its origin.... however, modern society has changed this. Now it is most commonly assumed that everyone must play games to be able to function in society. In which case the term no longer applies, but rather is something repeated by people who don't have the merit to judge it, essentially their weakness is the same as the weakness of those they condemn. I myself wasn't alive back back then so I can't say but it coincides with what I personally consider to be weakness.

He used to think that women were weaker (physically) and as a result needed protection, that that it was a man's responsibility to care for them, and if he was a good person they would support him emotionally(an area in which he viewed women as stronger). But said the last couple decades had changed his mind, most of this generation of males are weaker than their girlfriends both physically and emotionally, the conversation spiraled off into it being a result of boys not having fathers, the decay of the family unit... moral ambiguity.... government propaganda.... but yeah, the first part. Everyone has both strengths and weaknesses, evolutionarily speaking men used to be physically stronger and women used to be able to handle stress a lot better. But evolution has taken a backseat to social evolution, and the result leaves us at a between area where everything is more homogenized those that don't realize it are holding on to relics of a past they don't understand.

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RE: Why are women generally seen as the weaker sex? - 3/9/2015 2:03:49 PM

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~fr~ Men and women are equally strong, but strong in different ways.

These are all statistical things. It means that there are definitely women who can kick my ass - but in general that's not true. I'm sure there are plenty of women who also can't wipe snot from their kids noses.

But, IN GENERAL, women are far better at dealing with emotional issues and home life, men are better at fighting wars and protecting the family from outside threats. Both sides are important.

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RE: Why are women generally seen as the weaker sex? - 3/28/2015 2:04:33 PM

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Simple. The testosterone and other hormonal characteristics of the male body tend to create a differentiation between men and women which makes men better equipped for the acquisition and expression of both physical and social power.

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RE: Why are women generally seen as the weaker sex? - 3/29/2015 1:53:25 AM

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Men and women are equally strong, but strong in different ways.

There is a saying, the bigger they come, the harder they fall.

(The legendary Goliath was outwitted by a youthful shepherd boy and his slingshot, who aimed for the giant warrior's weak spot in his helmet, right between the eyes.)

Brute strength does not equal more power and influence. It doesn't guarantee a strong constitution either. Skill and endurance will usually win out, if not higher intelligence.

Using brute force has its place, but it is those who can harness and rule over brawn (external might) with their brains and the force of their charisma (internal might) who possess the power to prevail.

Feminine power does not require outward physical strength, but inward fortitude and strength of character.

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RE: Why are women generally seen as the weaker sex? - 3/29/2015 3:46:17 AM

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Simple. The testosterone and other hormonal characteristics of the male body tend to create a differentiation between men and women which makes men better equipped for the acquisition and expression of both physical and social power.

And because society currently views these things as the greatest indicators of strength, versus the other kinds of strength being discussed here.

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RE: Why are women generally seen as the weaker sex? - 3/29/2015 11:53:47 AM

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Simple. The testosterone and other hormonal characteristics of the male body tend to create a differentiation between men and women which makes men better equipped for the acquisition and expression of both physical and social power.

And because society currently views these things as the greatest indicators of strength, versus the other kinds of strength being discussed here.

*laugh* Lord, no. It's because those aspects are EFFECTIVE. Men have power because men possess innate advantage in that arena. All of the nonsense above is just a bunch of fairy stories people tell themselves to feel better about their lives.

It's similar to the way in which any discussion about intelligence inevitably devolves into the less gifted rambling on about "street smarts" and at some point, a real thicko will try and console themselves by mentioning their "emotional intelligence".

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RE: Why are women generally seen as the weaker sex? - 3/29/2015 12:04:28 PM

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RE: Why are women generally seen as the weaker sex? - 3/29/2015 1:08:21 PM

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Simple. The testosterone and other hormonal characteristics of the male body tend to create a differentiation between men and women which makes men better equipped for the acquisition and expression of both physical and social power.

And because society currently views these things as the greatest indicators of strength, versus the other kinds of strength being discussed here.

*laugh* Lord, no. It's because those aspects are EFFECTIVE. Men have power because men possess innate advantage in that arena. All of the nonsense above is just a bunch of fairy stories people tell themselves to feel better about their lives.

It's similar to the way in which any discussion about intelligence inevitably devolves into the less gifted rambling on about "street smarts" and at some point, a real thicko will try and console themselves by mentioning their "emotional intelligence".

You and I will have to agree to disagree here.

There are many types of intelligence and many types of strength. If you do choose to not recognize them, that's fine. The fact is that they are being recognized by more and more people (scientists, psychologists) as time goes on.

We are learning more more and more every day about how the brain works...

And frankly, I know many people who are physically strong, and even men who are powerful in the ways most count as important (when it comes to judging strength), who are not personally strong at all.

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