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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Simple. The testosterone and other hormonal characteristics of the male body tend to create a differentiation between men and women which makes men better equipped for the acquisition and expression of both physical and social power.

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ORIGINAL: SweetShyGirl22

I've always been curious as to know why?

Why is it that men generally see women as the weaker more submissive sex. What is it about us?

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: SweetShyGirl22

I've always been curious as to know why?

Why is it that men generally see women as the weaker more submissive sex. What is it about us?

Once upon a time women were seen as creatures too sensitive to read certain books or occupy certain professions.

Bizarrely many women of today's world have chosen to perpetuate this, busying themselves with mundane pursuits such as reading non-sensical magazines and buying an unnecessary amount of shoes - because, yeah, aspiring to possess shoes really does strike at the heart of advancement.

Someone will pipe up to say: "by choosing we are taking ownership". Choice is inherent in any given situation; that which you promote is dictated by your choice as opposed to the ability to choose.

You can see it on this board. I was in a thread a couple of weeks back and when I said there is no good reason for a woman to expect a man to pay for them, I'm not sure anyone grasped the implications of what I was saying - which directly relates to your OP - and I was certainly in the minority opinion.

It is widely believed over here, though, that women in the United States are more restrained than over here. Clearly I haven't undertaken my own research to verify this, but from what I've read on this board I would agree.

Either way, I believe the issue is cultural and over time, as cultural values change, women will not be seen as the weaker sex. But, let's be clear, women are generally viewed as the weaker sex today, never mind the sleight-of-hand wordsmiths you encounter; and in my opinion women, some women, only have themselves to blame as they continue to conform to cultural norms.

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

It is widely believed over here, though, that women in the United States are more restrained than over here. Clearly I haven't undertaken my own research to verify this, but from what I've read on this board I would agree.

Either way, I believe the issue is cultural and over time, as cultural values change, women will not be seen as the weaker sex. But, let's be clear, women are generally viewed as the weaker sex today, never mind the sleight-of-hand wordsmiths you encounter; and in my opinion women, some women, only have themselves to blame as they continue to conform to cultural norms.

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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

*laugh* Lord, no. It's because those aspects are EFFECTIVE. Men have power because men possess innate advantage in that arena. All of the nonsense above is just a bunch of fairy stories people tell themselves to feel better about their lives.

It's similar to the way in which any discussion about intelligence inevitably devolves into the less gifted rambling on about "street smarts" and at some point, a real thicko will try and console themselves by mentioning their "emotional intelligence".

You and I will have to agree to disagree here.

There are many types of intelligence and many types of strength. If you do choose to not recognize them, that's fine. The fact is that they are being recognized by more and more people (scientists, psychologists) as time goes on.

We are learning more more and more every day about how the brain works...

And frankly, I know many people who are physically strong, and even men who are powerful in the ways most count as important (when it comes to judging strength), who are not personally strong at all.

So, Awareness, you contend that physical strength is the be all to end all, that the ability to physically overpower another trumps nonphysical attributes and abilities -- including intelligence, I presume? Or just what you pat yourself on the head happens to be your particular brand of cerebral, left-brained mental processes. Wow, with just using half a brain, think of what you could accomplish with your whole brain!

Do you practice what you preach, though, when you give way to ALL other males (female bodybuilders notwithstanding) who outbulk you. . . in acknowledging their physical superiority over you, or do you fall back on trying to reason with thugs, seeing as to how you sneer upon street smarts and using your common sense to not get beaten to a pulp for looking at a stranger the wrong way or not showing proper deferential respect.

Is the most Dominant one in the room the silverback-looking knuckle dragger who beats his chest the hardest? If you were to find yourself sharing a cell with Bubba the skinhead with his bulging swastika-tattooed muscles, and you with your ill-concealed shank, who would have the greater advantage (assuming that his White Supremacist Neo-Nazi buddies wouldn't rally to his side).

NookieNotes, well said. I once had a gentle giant of a friend in high school who I occasionally student-tutored. A huge, huge bull (but not my type in that way), who had a CroMagnon-like jutting out forehead. Fierce and scary looking! Nobody would dare to mess with him ever in a million years, but he was the sweetest, kindest young man who would give you the shirt off of his back in a heartbeat and wouldn't dream of capitalizing on his imposing stature and physical prowess to intimidate or impose his will on others. He showed me his gratitude for my friendship once by throwing me a grand surprise birthday party - the first and only one of my life - where he'd invited all of my friends. His goodness eclipsed any of his other qualities.

DreamLady

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Essentially, what you've done is act fairly predictably. Your ego is threatened and you've run off on a tangent in an effort to salve your wounded pride.

Were you a man, you'd have the potential to be unruffled and wouldn't react defensively. Because you're a woman, you can only ape the dominance of which men are capable. You don't feel it in your bones.

You're easy to read and your actions contradict your claims of dominance. Ultimately, you yourselves perceive dominance as superior (don't even get me started on how the language of Dommes is quintessentially focused on male denigration) and so you attempt to emulate it.

The key, missing ingredient is always - and continues to be - self-awareness. You tell yourselves stories. You construct a narrative. Ultimately it's all a fiction and you lack the introspection to realise that.

How exactly is my ego threatened by the misogynistic-sounding ramblings of a keyboard warrior on the Web? And how did my pride get wounded -- my pride in what? Making more sense than the "fairy tales" you yourself are spinning into a tattered web of lies?

You have no clue what my level of Dominance is or what I feel in my bones. I have made no claims of being a Domme or of being superior to anyone else in any way, shape or form. Another one of your projected fabrications.

If you care to have a rational discussion, then perhaps you can present your position in a mature, adult manner instead of slinging mud like a petulant little schoolboy. But, please do enlighten the rest of us on how "the language of Dommes is quintessentially focused on male denigration," as you lump them together into your thinly veiled bigotry.

You do more to undermine your case, so by all means, continue to dig yourself a deeper hole. That would be a *fairly predictable* move on your part, from what I've seen here and there.

DreamLady

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Essentially, what you've done is act fairly predictably. Your ego is threatened and you've run off on a tangent in an effort to salve your wounded pride.

Were you a man, you'd have the potential to be unruffled and wouldn't react defensively. Because you're a woman, you can only ape the dominance of which men are capable. You don't feel it in your bones.

You're easy to read and your actions contradict your claims of dominance. Ultimately, you yourselves perceive dominance as superior (don't even get me started on how the language of Dommes is quintessentially focused on male denigration) and so you attempt to emulate it.

The key, missing ingredient is always - and continues to be - self-awareness. You tell yourselves stories. You construct a narrative. Ultimately it's all a fiction and you lack the introspection to realise that.

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady

Really? That's the best you can do, without getting yourself banned yet again. . .

TAFKAA or TAFTA, or whatever your screen name used to be before it was Awareness (for the second time).

It seems to me that it is you who are the one who is unraveling. Nookie's post must have put you in a tailspin.

Since we're not in Feisty, I'll abide by the rules and leave you to your devices, as a legend in your own mind.

DreamLady

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

I've been thinking(got a headache as a result) I don't like being an evolutionary dead end....so I'm going to become a Dom instead.
Now I know I'll have to change how I identify,but does anyone think I can get away with the nick I'm currently sporting ?
Maybe find some way to spin it,cause I've sort of grown attached to it over the years .

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

How? Because your self-image isn't strong enough to survive a challenge. You become unraveled, you lose all pretense of civility and you react with ego.

So the how is extremely easy to explain. Your reality is challenged and your reaction betrays your weakness. You devolve into spluttered rhetoric with no thought or reason behind it. Disturbing your equilibrium is remarkably lacking in challenge. I can't say I'm disappointed, because this is generally what happens when those who don't understand dominance attempt to ape it.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Too long......too much typing and than I have to add a password to that.
I don't know if you can tell,but I'm not terribly bright,that's why I ask a woman to lead me....cause I certainly need leading being a dead ender and all

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Essentially, what you've done is act fairly predictably. Your ego is threatened and you've run off on a tangent in an effort to salve your wounded pride.

Were you a man, you'd have the potential to be unruffled and wouldn't react defensively. Because you're a woman, you can only ape the dominance of which men are capable. You don't feel it in your bones.

You're easy to read and your actions contradict your claims of dominance. Ultimately, you yourselves perceive dominance as superior (don't even get me started on how the language of Dommes is quintessentially focused on male denigration) and so you attempt to emulate it.

The key, missing ingredient is always - and continues to be - self-awareness. You tell yourselves stories. You construct a narrative. Ultimately it's all a fiction and you lack the introspection to realise that.

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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Essentially, what you've done is act fairly predictably. Your ego is threatened and you've run off on a tangent in an effort to salve your wounded pride.

Were you a man, you'd have the potential to be unruffled and wouldn't react defensively. Because you're a woman, you can only ape the dominance of which men are capable. You don't feel it in your bones.

You're easy to read and your actions contradict your claims of dominance. Ultimately, you yourselves perceive dominance as superior (don't even get me started on how the language of Dommes is quintessentially focused on male denigration) and so you attempt to emulate it.

The key, missing ingredient is always - and continues to be - self-awareness. You tell yourselves stories. You construct a narrative. Ultimately it's all a fiction and you lack the introspection to realise that.

In some ways you are doing exactly what you are accusing her of doing. Don't get me wrong, I like men like you because I like their honesty. However I do know you are speaking from personal perspective as well so I try to find a bit of truth in what you're saying without considering it the "end all" of truth itself.
Even if I did agree with some of your points, I certainly disagree a female cannot be equivalent to a male Dopminant. That might be true because men with high sex drives couldn't perform chastity for more than a few weeks at length. For health sake a "milking" is required.
I have found men overall to not be terribly complicated, no matter who they are. All things they do in their life surround women as the driving force.

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
Interesting. You like men like him because you like their honesty? Pfft.

If you perceive any of the venomous and bigoted drivel you read to be worthy of reading, then good for you.

Although you do realize, don't you, that he speaks of Dominant women as equally bad as he does sub men?

But hey, he is being "honest", so there you go.

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady

Really? That's the best you can do, without getting yourself banned yet again. . .

TAFKAA or TAFTA, or whatever your screen name used to be before it was Awareness (for the second time).

It seems to me that it is you who are the one who is unraveling. Nookie's post must have put you in a tailspin.

Since we're not in Feisty, I'll abide by the rules and leave you to your devices, as a legend in your own mind.

DreamLady