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BenevolentM -> RE: How much money can someone make and still be eligible for Medicare under ObamaCare? (9/8/2014 11:06:30 AM)
Here is something talking about MAGI. They do use the word Medicaid and not Medicare. http://medicaid.gov/AffordableCareAct/Medicaid-Moving-Forward-2014/Downloads/Modified-Adjusted-Gross-Income-and-Medicaid-CHIP.pdf The literature on the topic is very confusing.

BenevolentM -> RE: How much money can someone make and still be eligible for Medicare under ObamaCare? (9/8/2014 11:11:40 AM)
Part of the problem I suspect is the term MAGI is used by the government in different places in different ways, yet it is at the same time credible to think they are all talking about the same thing, same as based on the same formula, used in slightly different ways in different contexts, in one context to determine how much money you can put in an IRA.

BenevolentM -> RE: How much money can someone make and still be eligible for Medicare under ObamaCare? (9/8/2014 11:18:25 AM)
If Medicaid eligibility is based on total household income and not a modified AGI, then it doesn't look like ObamaCare has done much for America. Modified AGI offers some hope that it isn't yet another a burden on the poor, but if it offers hope then it needs to be advertised, but it isn't being advertised either because I am pursuing a red herring or there is an interest to keep it quiet.

BenevolentM -> RE: How much money can someone make and still be eligible for Medicare under ObamaCare? (9/8/2014 11:28:59 AM)
I do not see what you said advances the subject. Group B for example also includes the poor. These are artificial lines. How poor must you be to be poor? Obama didn't promise coverage only for students and homeless people. Ok, now Obama has given students coverage, but who else? Coverage for quasi-immigrant families living in squalid conditions? Maybe he gave coverage to them too, but who else has he given coverage to? quote: ORIGINAL: Extravagasm What Ken just said is basically right. Despite these medi-words being consistently around for decades and decades, they're still greek to most people, including the OP of this thread. So heres a broad look: Group A . poor, non-senior citizens -- (NOT new) MediCAID (optional participation, free premiums, thorough coverage) Group B . non-poor, non-seniors -- (NEW) Government care act (delayed participation, subsidized premiums, partial coverage) Group C . senior citizens 65 -- (NOT new) MediCARE (compulsory participation, low cost premiums, partial coverage) PS Don't even hope to discuss income formulas, without comprehending and delineating the groups being discussed. OP litters the term 'Medicare', into Group B where it can not apply. There is no hope of credibility, without a firm grasp of the picture.

Tkman117 -> RE: How much money can someone make and still be eligible for Medicare under ObamaCare? (9/8/2014 11:31:57 AM)
Didn't the mods tell you not to post another thread?

BenevolentM -> RE: How much money can someone make and still be eligible for Medicare under ObamaCare? (9/8/2014 12:46:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Extravagasm Don't even hope to discuss income formulas, without comprehending and delineating the groups being discussed. Please do.

LafayetteLady -> RE: How much money can someone make and still be eligible for Medicare under ObamaCare? (9/8/2014 1:05:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM How much money can someone make and still be eligible for Medicare under ObamaCare? Medicare is not means tested. If you are over 65 or disabled you are eligible. You may be thinking of Medicaid and that is a stated administered program and eligibility varies by state. I am tempted to say you are correct, but I am fairly certain I have not come across the word Medicaid in the literature. The two words are sufficiently similar to be confused, but again I am fairly certain that the government is not using that term. They talk about Medicare expansion, not Medicaid expansion. It is a MedicAID expansion, not MedicARE. Perhaps you should take your questions to someone who can explain the difference to you.

BenevolentM -> RE: How much money can someone make and still be eligible for Medicare under ObamaCare? (9/8/2014 1:11:33 PM)
quote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/01/01/everything-you-need-to-know-about-life-under-obamacare-2/ What makes this particularly troublesome for the law (and, more to the point, for the uninsured) is that there are no subsidies for private insurance for people making less than the poverty level. So if you’re poor and in a state that hasn’t accepted the Medicaid expansion, you’re out of luck. What I am saying is you are out of luck even if your state has accepted the Medicaid expansion because the limits are far too low because the numbers do not reflect your income, but the accumulation of income from potentially several people who may or may not be fully pooling their resources. They want money from people who have nothing and I am angry about it.

BenevolentM -> RE: How much money can someone make and still be eligible for Medicare under ObamaCare? (9/8/2014 1:18:39 PM)
The liberals seem to think that phony technical distinctions are going to win the day and get people to says wow isn't this great.

BenevolentM -> RE: How much money can someone make and still be eligible for Medicare under ObamaCare? (9/8/2014 1:54:48 PM)
I was looking at http://obamacarefacts.com/howdoes-obamacare-work.php and I was asking myself, why is this so complicated? You need insurance, you get insurance. What is this bullshit with enrollment periods.

stef -> RE: How much money can someone make and still be eligible for Medicare under ObamaCare? (9/8/2014 2:03:27 PM)
If you can't figure the difference between Medicare and Medicaid, it's understandable why you think that's complicated.

BenevolentM -> RE: How much money can someone make and still be eligible for Medicare under ObamaCare? (9/8/2014 2:06:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef If you can't figure the difference between Medicare and Medicaid, it's understandable why you think that's complicated. What the government is saying is their product is seasonal, like strawberries. Are we to believe that the need for medical insurance is seasonal?

BenevolentM -> RE: How much money can someone make and still be eligible for Medicare under ObamaCare? (9/8/2014 2:19:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM quote: ORIGINAL: stef If you can't figure the difference between Medicare and Medicaid, it's understandable why you think that's complicated. What the government is saying is their product is seasonal, like strawberries. Are we to believe that the need for medical insurance is seasonal? Only a bureaucrat would invent something like this.

BenevolentM -> RE: How much money can someone make and still be eligible for Medicare under ObamaCare? (9/8/2014 2:35:25 PM)
Take an unemployed person. One month he will be eligible for medical care and the next he isn't because he found work. Maybe it was temporary work. It is something that could easily go up and down. ObamaCare seems to be making the Medicare assumption that you are fixed income. If your income is volatile and your poor, you have to make the decision to forego insurance because there isn't sufficient certainty.

BenevolentM -> RE: How much money can someone make and still be eligible for Medicare under ObamaCare? (9/8/2014 4:57:27 PM)
If ObamaCare is such a fabulous deal, why must you force people to get it?

LafayetteLady -> RE: How much money can someone make and still be eligible for Medicare under ObamaCare? (9/8/2014 5:38:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM Take an unemployed person. One month he will be eligible for medical care and the next he isn't because he found work. Maybe it was temporary work. It is something that could easily go up and down. ObamaCare seems to be making the Medicare assumption that you are fixed income. If your income is volatile and your poor, you have to make the decision to forego insurance because there isn't sufficient certainty. Each statement you make, you show that you really don't understand whatever it is you are reading at all. You are talking about MedicAID, NOT MediCARE. They are vastly different. Please do yourself a favor and have someone explain it to you in simple terms that you can understand. You just keep posting your frustration on here and really, you are most of the posts on this thread, so you are talking to yourself.

itsSIRtou -> RE: How much money can someone make and still be eligible for Medicare under ObamaCare? (9/9/2014 8:27:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou so really? if you REALLY want to be pissed at someone about the inventor of the AHCA .....the GOP is your target. Aint that hilarious! quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM It is everybody's fault and nobody's fault. It is communistic. The government is not respecting individual rights by insisting that means testing is based on household income, not individual income. Of course if you are a household of one this isn't a problem so much. The size of the subsidy the government is giving the insurance companies drives home the fact that it is possible that society cannot afford this. If you cannot even afford a mere fraction of the cost of the subsidy, how can society as a whole be expected to foot the vast majority of the bill? If it can foot the vast majority of the bill, why must they be so cheap and not pick up the entire bill? I cannot see how AHCA makes sense, unless it is dishonest. It has to be selling us a bill of goods where there is some small improvement, but not enough to really matter. It looks like some of Obama's supporters got paid off, e.g. college students. ...you're kidding me right??? of course there's fault!! With bankruptcy due to medical bills second only to credit card debt before Obamacare, its insane to not blame the price-gouging medical insurance & pharmaceutical companies, and the for profit Hospitals for forcing SOMETHING to be done to stem the totally out of control industry. I can not see how you think the dishonesty and outright greed of the old way makes sense. How in anyone in their left or right mind can think that was going to continue to work for Americans amazes me. And since you're into labels, how about imperialistic insanity?? Because it was getting to the point where decent healthcare Was getting out of the reach of even middle-class America, and bankrupting many of them as well. Obamacare may not be perfect, and I'm sure you're going to keep bitching about its flaws, but when you start also actively bitching about how 5-10 Chief Executive's of insurance companies and hospitals can make many times more money than as many as the 100 doctors who every day actually save people's lives? Then maybe I'll respect you and the people who complain about the AHCA being whatever label you name it..

BenevolentM -> RE: How much money can someone make and still be eligible for Medicare under ObamaCare? (9/9/2014 1:16:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse You will have to read the bill to see what is in the bill. There were all these people before ObamaCare passed that prided themselves on having read the bill. Where are they now? ObamaCare is a tax, but it would be better and more honest if the Obama administration treated ObamaCare much as if it were a form of income tax, because the income tax system is less objectionable than this tax. It is being treated as if it were welfare due to the references to MAGI which is an indignity. AGI would be less discriminatory, less burdensome, and less contemptuous of the poor.

BenevolentM -> RE: How much money can someone make and still be eligible for Medicare under ObamaCare? (9/9/2014 1:19:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady Please do yourself a favor and have someone explain it to you in simple terms that you can understand. Like I said, "There were all these people before ObamaCare passed that prided themselves on having read the bill. Where are they now?"

BenevolentM -> RE: How much money can someone make and still be eligible for Medicare under ObamaCare? (9/9/2014 1:25:13 PM)
itsSIRtou, ObamaCare is trying to save the system on the backs of the poor, however. If it were affordable, it wouldn't be a big deal and as I pointed out the size of the subsidy makes it clear that it isn't cheap. The size of the subsidy is large enough where they could in truth be a bit more generous unless of course we can't afford it as a nation to begin with.

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