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Idealised Corruption. - 9/11/2014 8:50:09 AM

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I nearly posted this as an extension of the other thread I did, but thought it deserved one of its own...

If you wanted to create a political system that protected and haboured those with power, that gave them the ability to promote and accelerate their own self interests, would it look like democracy? Is democracy corruption perfected.

You might start with some form of dictatorship, but then you have the problem of keeping the people in line, they have a single point of blame, if something is wrong with the country it is the dictator's fault. So they rise up and before you know it you're stumbling around looking for your head.

So instead you want a system that lets people fight each other, that promotes disagreement, that creates party lines to argue along, that lets you run a constant 'blame them' attitude.

You then make it hard enough to influence that people become apathetic towards being able to change anything.

Before you know it, you have democracy.

I accept that this is a very facetious question, there is perhaps a degree of moulding the situation to the facts.

But as with all good facetious questions, it is absolutely serious. If you were making this argument in a court, what would your proof points be, what evidence would you produce to say this is true. What evidence would prove it isn't.

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RE: Idealised Corruption. - 9/11/2014 2:49:40 PM

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It's not all that difficult. First you have the ruling class use such monopoly of information that what is discussed is basically around the edges of what will actually affect society. This regulation of information allows the people just enough to be distracted by partisan bickering which is working very well in the west as we speak.

If any people knew the whole truth behind the scenes and aren't pacified cowards, they'd be in the streets or in outright revolution. What a govt. in our form of a democratically elected republic or pretty much anything close to it simply requires, is that votes only serve to change the idealistic faces of the ruling class. Obama is the latest and greatest example.

Most of the policies that are needed to serve the ruling class...are still in place. "OH yes we can...quickly became..."OH no we can't." W really couldn't do anything about it either, he was just a much more useful idiot.

Among the masses, the partisan bickering is in full force and even if a few rather important faces change in govt....govt. will not change. The changing of people in govt., changes the direction of govt., about the same as changing the hood ornament of car...changes the car's direction.

The ruling class, the bankers, the elitist capitalist, the church and the institutions are all about exactly the same as they've been for 70 years or since FDR and post WWII period. In fact if anything, the ruling class and the rest...are much better off and are even more powerful.

So what you seek is proof in court of what would boil down to the criminality in govt. while the govt. has become powerful enough to hide or destroy such evidence that would prove their own malfeasance, that the courts would be and are now in fact...no help at all.

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RE: Idealised Corruption. - 9/11/2014 3:44:43 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: AKinkCounselor

You might start with some form of dictatorship, but then you have the problem of keeping the people in line, they have a single point of blame, if something is wrong with the country it is the dictator's fault. So they rise up and before you know it you're stumbling around looking for your head.

Dictatorship... one in which the people fear the power but are never driven to the point where they are desperate and have nothing to lose. They can blame their dictator all they want, it doesn't necessarily follow that blame causes uprisings. Look around; people blame others for many things all the time, but it doesn't lead to concentrated cooperative aggression. People will blame their boss for something, but that doesn't mean that the next step is to defy that person, or forcibly remove that person.

I think the problem is not so much about keeping people in line as it is about absolute power corrupting absolutely, and empathy and worldliness not being part of the dictator's repertoire.

Those in power have to understand their power will grow as long the self interest of the people is met too. People with full bellies and healthy children don't revolt. They might gripe over this and that, but they won't risk their lives to over throw someone. If the leaders don't get that, they're toast.

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