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-=Gay coffee anyone? (ok, equal rights coffee)=- - 10/13/2014 2:05:28 PM   
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The back story of this meme I made for my Facebook today is in response to all the crap Starbucks is getting for their support of same sex marriage since 2013. I know it's old news, but the religious news groups, homophobic bloggers and sanctity of marriage fanatics rage on to this day quoting things out of context to inflame readers. In truth, they did get the jest of what Starbucks' CEO Howard Shultz said, even if they misquote him. He responded with the most polite fuck you I have seen in ages. I love this guy... and will start buying coffee at Starbucks (previously I rarely did).

"It was not something that was a difficult decision for us." (That's a fuck you, am I right?)

"We made that decision in our view, through the lens of humanity . . ." (That's fuck you and your fanaticism, right?)

"Not every decision is an economic decision." (That's another fuck you, right?)

"If you feel, respectfully, that you can get a higher return than the 38% you got last year, it's a free country. You can sell your shares in Starbucks and buy shares in another company. Thank you very much." (and finally, fuck you and fuck off)

Videos of his comments:
http://youtu.be/OaCfvr9EFKs
http://youtu.be/UnNphL-fHoM



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RE: -=Gay coffee anyone? (ok, equal rights coffee)=- - 10/13/2014 2:07:24 PM   
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RE: -=Gay coffee anyone? (ok, equal rights coffee)=- - 10/13/2014 3:26:12 PM   
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I think the percentage of people that vehemently oppose same sex unions are a very vocal minority. I am a middle of the road kind a guy, i don't think either party has a lock on good ideas. To me if two people want to enter into a legally binding contract, which as far as government is concerned that is what a marriage is, then they should be allowed to. If a church, synagogue or mosque refuses to perform these marriages, that is their right as well.

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RE: -=Gay coffee anyone? (ok, equal rights coffee)=- - 10/13/2014 3:59:59 PM   
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I think the percentage of people that vehemently oppose same sex unions are a very vocal minority. I am a middle of the road kind a guy, i don't think either party has a lock on good ideas. To me if two people want to enter into a legally binding contract, which as far as government is concerned that is what a marriage is, then they should be allowed to. If a church, synagogue or mosque refuses to perform these marriages, that is their right as well.
I agree here. The latter will inevitably cause trouble once gay marriage is more or less universally accepted in the US (optimistic thinking here) because a couple WILL want to get married in their families' old church and get blocked. But, that's another problem.

While it's nice to think that a company is looking out for something other than their bottom line, the cynical part of me thinks that wasn't really the case. Maybe Starbucks expected a surge once they came out publicly, or a steady growth from supporters in much the same way as Papa Johns got conservative love after their media circus.

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RE: -=Gay coffee anyone? (ok, equal rights coffee)=- - 10/13/2014 5:10:08 PM   
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... While it's nice to think that a company is looking out for something other than their bottom line, the cynical part of me thinks that wasn't really the case. Maybe Starbucks expected a surge once they came out publicly, or a steady growth from supporters in much the same way as Papa Johns got conservative love after their media circus.

I believe it was an HR decision, not a PR decision.

The CEO said that 200,000 people work for Starbucks and the equity of their brand has been defined by the relationship they have with them and the relationship they have with the customers. Their success has a great deal to do with whether the employees are proud of the people they work for and feel as if they are part of something larger than themselves.

He also said they are the kind of company that embraces diversity. 200,000 is a diverse workforce. Also, the history of coffee shops is that they are a culturally diverse environment, artist and academic. From the days of campus coffee shops with bohemian poetry reading to the current mood today where it's a friendly place in the neighborhood to get your caffeine fix, relax, bump into friends, read the paper, catch up on email and social networks or have a friendly conversation.

I believe it was human resources motivated, and being human focused, it's humane. I think they did the right thing for the right reasons and it was internally motivated . . . world be damned we are doing whats right for us and some* of us are gay.

[ETA] *By the slice of it, 10% of that 200,000 should be gay. In cultural and artistic environments, that percentage escalates.

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RE: -=Gay coffee anyone? (ok, equal rights coffee)=- - 10/13/2014 8:22:53 PM   
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Watching the videos Master showed me, I want to work for Starbucks. But I already have a career in healthcare. And i don't drink coffee. So I guess i will just support the company by giving everyone i know a gift certificate to Starbucks for Christmas this year.

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RE: -=Gay coffee anyone? (ok, equal rights coffee)=- - 10/14/2014 8:41:36 AM   
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I believe it was an HR decision, not a PR decision.

The CEO said that 200,000 people work for Starbucks and the equity of their brand has been defined by the relationship they have with them and the relationship they have with the customers. Their success has a great deal to do with whether the employees are proud of the people they work for and feel as if they are part of something larger than themselves.


Of course it was a PR decision. This has been the hallmark of their brand since day one.

How does a company get people to buy over-priced lattes day in and day out? Make them feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

I don't believe that *any* company, especially one as large as Starbucks, does anything like this without a focus on the bottom line. If they didn't believe that "announcement" would boost sales, it would never have been done. They have a duty to their shareholders-- announcements like this one, or the one "banning guns" in their stores, at the end of the day are meant to drive sales, plain and simple.

This is not to say that good things don't come out of corporate statements like this one. But, at the end of the day, I don't believe that a "corporate conscience" can be separated from what the company's ultimate goal is, which is to make money.


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RE: -=Gay coffee anyone? (ok, equal rights coffee)=- - 10/15/2014 3:28:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KYsissy

I think the percentage of people that vehemently oppose same sex unions are a very vocal minority. I am a middle of the road kind a guy, i don't think either party has a lock on good ideas. To me if two people want to enter into a legally binding contract, which as far as government is concerned that is what a marriage is, then they should be allowed to. If a church, synagogue or mosque refuses to perform these marriages, that is their right as well.
I agree here. The latter will inevitably cause trouble once gay marriage is more or less universally accepted in the US (optimistic thinking here) because a couple WILL want to get married in their families' old church and get blocked. But, that's another problem.

While it's nice to think that a company is looking out for something other than their bottom line, the cynical part of me thinks that wasn't really the case. Maybe Starbucks expected a surge once they came out publicly, or a steady growth from supporters in much the same way as Papa Johns got conservative love after their media circus.


A few years ago, when the gay marriage debate was front and center, i had a thought. If the sex of the people in a marriage does not matter, why should the number? Evidently I am not the only one.
http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/polygamous-living-legal-utah-judge-sister-wives-ruling-article-1.1920071

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